I get asked all the time why I don't post in the fitness and supp threads anymore and it is because of posts like this. The calming effects of magnesium and calcium were well known way back when I was a just a kid which was a long time ago. I am sure you could come up with all kids of examples right here at the planet. About 6 months back Iherb sent me a few complimentary packs to try. A deeper undisturbed sleep is immediately noticeable as well as the ability to sleep longer. I usually can only sleep 7 hours but I can sleep up to 10 hours after taking the product and yes because of that you definately have more dreams you remember. I bought a couple bottles and have turned friends and family onto it and have recieved the same feedback with one even dumping his sleep meds. You certainly will not be bringing a tranquilizer to the party but the effects are very noticeable.

On a supp note I have to say I love using nitric oxide. I got a bottle of vitrix the other day as I was told the product was amazing. It's like walking around at 16 again with a boner. YOu want to **** until you draw back a bloody stub and have unfriggen believably strong orgasms you gotta roll with that combo. I like their t-up product as well with a little reversitrol when cycling down.

Just DL/SQ. Cant bench for another 6 months, just had 3 osteophytes removed from my left shoulders. Not nearly as strong as some of the beasts on this site, but not bad considering the injuries I've been through. Anyway..

I'm sure 8 hours would be better, but I cant remember for the life of me the last time I had that much. Everyone is different and what some people need to grow isn't the same as the next. People respond differently to different types of training, intensity, etc but as long as caloric needs are met, I think people can and will grow off low sleep. Not NO sleep, but 5-6 hours per night should b fine.

Then since you don't get 8, you can't say. I can tell you that when my sleep is top notch, training is too. However as a lifetime insomniac that isn't often.

But you still progress on your lifts as a insomniac, no?

We have a place where I live that specializes in making custom tintures. I had them make one for sleeping and it was like getting hit in the head with a baseball bat. You might want to try that if you are trying to stay on natural products. If you can't find a place that does cusom work like that I could refer you.

so it's the immaculate inception.

I had a similar experience using Plasma Jet from Gaspari, but not a fan of NO products as a whole. I do love me some stims though.

Does it have Yohimbe in it? That stuff always does the same to me.

Then I'm assuming you plateaued long ago and you saying you're still adding weights every week is horseshit. When seriously weight training, sleep is most important factor when building/rebuilding muscle.

The only thing I have from ON is the ZMA

When my sleep is not going well, my training tends to be very up and down, sporadic. When I can get 10-14 days of great sleep in a row, it's off the charts every time.

Recovery happens at it's highest level when you sleep. So even if you have some decent training sessions on little sleep, you'd have even better ones on more sleep. If you can get 10+ hours in plus a nap, watch what happens.....

Yes sir.

liquid-German tribulus

Ment NO- Nitric Oxide.

I am using Nitrix right now.