Ghost in the Shell influenced too

Watched it last night. Really liked it. Moreso than either SHIELD or Sleepy Hollow. I think it's looking like it could develop into the best purely science fiction show on TV for the last few years.

Potentially. I'm sure if it heads that way Fox will shitcan it.

It'll depend on the ratings. It dropped 26% from the pilot to Monday (not a surprise), but it's one of the highest live-plus-seven new shows of the year so far (behind SHIELD, Blacklist, Crazy Ones and Sleepy Hollow).

It keeps that up, and it's fine. Fox doesn't just randomly cancel stuff. They cancel stuff because nobody's watching.

It was an OK Die Hard episode the other night

Basically, but I enjoyed it. Much better than SHIELD or Arrow so far.

What is "live-plus-seven"?

Better than Arrow? You're on crack.

Third episode was boring as ****. Turned it off halfway through. I'll finish it sometime, but it didn't hold my interest at all.

Really? I thought it was better than the first two. Pilot was boring as hell IMO.

I don't see what every loves so much about Arrow. The acting sucks and it just seems cheaply done.

The acting is on par with Almost Human. Arrow doesn't overly rely on special effects, which is nice.

I started the Almost Human episode over and watched the whole thing. It was better on a second viewing. Still a little "meh," but lots of shows that I like haven't always hit the ground running.

Fringe was like this until they found their niche with the alternate dimension instead of the "monster of the week" copied format from the X-Files.

Acting isn't even close. As far as relying on special effects, I'd rather that then being too cheap to afford special effects and constantly relying on darkness. It's like having cheap choreography and shitty combat scene actors, and so having to rely on constant angle changes, darkness, and jittery cameras.

Karl "broodmeister" Urban isn't exactly going to win an Emmy for this. Nor will the captain lady. She's awful. Arrow isn't that badly acted.

Darkness is a part of superheroes.

I agree Urban is not a guy that comes to mind when discussing great actors, but he's 10 X better than whoever plays Oliver Queen. That said, Ealy is 10 X better than anyone on either show. Never heard of him before, but he's been really good.

I also agree darkness is / can be a part of a superhero's world. However, it seems like every set on Arrow is overly dark to hide something. Even the scenes in daytime offices or other setting where you normally have an abundance of light are dark and moody. It just seems awfully cheap. Don't get me wrong, I love the storyline. It's just missing something. I'm glad Malcom is back. I honestly was ready to stop watching after the last episode. Right up until the end. Now I'll give it a few more weeks at least.

I think Oliver is good, as is Felicity.