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E: Lots of good info in dis thread if anyone is reading it and considering going into/making a change to IT. In my opinion, I think the demand for IT workers is gonna be huge again in the future. To agree with what others have brushed on, the demand is certainly not matching the supply now and it's going to become a much larger issue a few years from now. Also, it's fun as hell to read the internal notes on trouble tickets that come through the help desk. "I asked Ms. (name here) to reboot her computer for me and five seconds later she said it was rebooted. At first I was amazed at the amazing ****ing super computers we have, until I realized she was just turning the monitor off and on again." Shit still slays me when I think about it. |
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There are tons of good free resources for learning to code
http://mashable.com/2013/03/13/learn-to-code-free/ As others pointed out the key is getting your foot in the door. I've worked with tons of people with no higher education, or they were military, or crazy oddball degrees. Experience is so important. |
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I am beginning this fall to pursue a degree in Computer Science for Computer Systems Management. How would I go about getting the experience need to make sure once I get out of school I could use my degree?
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I love the my college vs. your college argument. For those of us who do the hiring, unless we happen to be looking for something very specific (which is rare), where you went to school doesn't matter as much as your personality during the interview.
Like it or not, beyond the practical questions I ask to prove a candidate isn't lying about being a network engineer, I've learned through the years that many other things/indicators tend to point towards a person's chance of being a success. And hiring a person who will be part of a team can be very different than the engineer who can pretty-much operate on his/her own. THAT'S why I encourage everybody to highlight and integrate those intangibles like being a Veteran (a combat veteran being even better), an Eagle Scout, a coach of sports, into their resume and interview. Yeah, it matters, and it matters a lot. I used to think of things like CCIE, Ivy league schools, and all that jazz first, now it's just a part of a much larger package.. |
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What is more key is putting every damn piece of software and skill you have in the resume for the search to find you. Put every piece of experience in there to satisfy HR and get the hiring manager to notice your resume. Make the resume specific to the job, not some boilerplate resume. The interview can cover your personality and see if you would be a good fit for the team. Resume space is too valuable. There are at least 4 techs on this site who were having trouble getting recruiters and job board searches to find them. After I showed them my resume and told them about bot searches etc. They all had recruiters calling them within days. |
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I still get random recruiter emails from a resume that was submitted to career builder / monster 7 years ago. :thumb: I know because it goes to an old email account. |
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I'm not saying they're bad, they're great, I'm just saying their CCIE doesn't make them God's gift. That might have more to do with bootcamps than anything, but it is what it is. As for hiring a vet or an Eagle scout over a CCIE, I have. While there is no one single truth I've found that the most recent CCIEs have more arrogance about them than those in, let's say, the 90s. So if I've got a position that needs a leader, you dam right that a combat vet, a person who's coached kids (herded cats!), and Eagle Scout - somebody who's shown that s/he might have the people skills to implement Dot1x in the larger community instead of just knowing the commands on the network side - yeah that's far more important. And few people outside of the TAC or large communications companies get to focus on one part of the network every day of rhe year; and they have to play well with other parts of the community. So, if I'm hiring a pure 1-part-of-the-network-spectrum person (less than 10% of most staffs) certifications might be 75% of it. If I'm hiring the rest of the community they factor in less, perhaps a lot less. |
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I met a CCIE voice that was dumb as **** about anything beyond cucm. It was amazing to me that this person held the CCIE. Still cannot believe it. I even verified his CCIE number but still couldn't believe it. Dumb as **** at anything beyond the specialization. What your saying does make sense but for network stability I would take a gifted ccnp with a rough attitude that knows his shit. :) |
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Back in the 90s networking was just fun as hell, and it's still the most fun part of IT IMO. My latest thing is a conservative's effort in bringing "diversity" into our field. I've seen these great, bright, and knowledgeable internal women and minorities thinking the bilge of the ship, the road, the backbone, wasn't their's to be part of. And while I'm fair (and I'm VERY fair) I've brought a number into the community and they love it. Many love the new environment they work in... Less IT bullshit... Yeah, they know before they get into it that it's not the a place where they'll not have to listen to non-so-PC conversation, but so far they've all been awesome. And to say the least, they aren't women who are hard on the eyes. So it's been a great deal, the community has a long-missing part of the conversation at the bar when we travel. So yeah, many of the newer CCIEs aren't what the old-school CCIEs are/were, but it's just a sign of the times... Rock on doode... |
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What you need to do is go to non-profits and volunteer to help out for free. Work at the help desk at your college. Internships are great, if you can find and get one. If your in KC, go work temp in tax season at H&R Block. What your getting paid is not important. Without experience you are dead in the water. Get the experience and your golden. |
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