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TEX 11-18-2013 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 10201824)
This is a good one and one that we shouldn't lose sight of..

Let's just take this loss into context. Beating a division rival in their house is not an easy task. When that division rival is one of the best teams in the game, it becomes damn near an impossible feat. Expecting a sweep of the Broncos this year is just about as unrealistic as it gets.

Of course, we lost and we looked exceedingly bad on the offensive side of the ball, which gives us cause for concern, but we played a decent game against them on the whole. Clean up a few mistakes, bring this one to Arrowhead and we have a good shot to beat them in a 23-20 game.

(The "cleaning up a few mistakes" comment may just be asking too much though. After 10 weeks of watching our offense look like a ****ing orangutan humping a door knob, that may just be who they are.)

:LOL: Door knobs are nasty, hope we use protection.

mr. tegu 11-18-2013 01:07 PM

I really can't understand why they struggle so much in the red zone. Do we not have some more imaginative plays to get guys open? Three runs up the middle on 1st and goal? Ugh.

gblowfish 11-18-2013 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by bricks (Post 10202028)
George,

Answers in Bold below:

I like Alex Smith. Even though I do think he somewhat contributes to our problems on offense, I don't think he is the main problem. I know he sometimes makes inaccurate throws that are either a tad too short or high but his inaccuracy is not near the level of Cassel. There are times though when Smith makes really good throws but our receivers just fail to execute.

The thing about this is, Smith was highly regarded for his "accuracy." In SF he had Vernon Davis and better wideouts than he has here. Receivers tend to have a great deal of influence on how the QB "looks."

He is better than Cassel in a lot of ways. At least he has better poise and awareness in the pocket. He can elude sacks every now and then and makes much better reads/decisions with the ball. He is just smarter, a better athlete and doesn't necessarily crack under pressure the same way Cassel does. Plus, he is a winner.

Smith has been a winner in the regular season. So was Marty. What did that get us? Casshole was the undisputed turnover king before his sickening and disgusting concussion last year. I used to call Casshole "The Duke of Dink" because of his penchant to throw an eight yard pass on third and ten. Smith is not much better in that regard. His yards per completion have been miserable this year. He does not fumble or throw picks. Otherwise, he IS Matt Casshole.

Everything else you said with respect to the offense was spot on. The Oline is a HUGE problem. The Oline needs to be upgraded for sure in the off-season. There are way too many times where these guys are losing the battle along the LOS. They consistently allow the pocket to collapse by not giving Alex Smith the time he needs to deliver the ball. Prior to the season starting, I, like many other fans wondered if the Oline is simply a product of bad players or inexperience? After all, these are young players that need time to develop and learn a new system. Right? The thing that concerns me though, is, I have yet to see progress in any of our Olineman as the season has gone on. If they are still playing this bad late into the season, then colour me convinced that our Oline is nothing but a product of bad players.

It's year one. Dorsey can't fix it all in one draft.

You couldn’t have said it any better with respect to the receivers. You're absolutely right in that these guys are just bad at getting separation. The route running isn't that great either and of course there is a lack of execution (ala dropped passes) it gets frustrating seeing this stuff over and over again. I think upgrading the wide receiving corps should also be a priority in the off-season. Now, Im not asking for a #1 WR, I just hope they could bring in receivers that could fundamentally do things well and of course fit into the west coast offense system.

I'd like to see them give some PT to some of the guys they've brought in this year like Hemmingway and Jenkins. See what we've got.

I know a lot of fans want a QB, but Im sticking with a realistic approach and not hoping for a QB at all. I know Smith will be here for a bit, and as a Chiefs fan, all I ask for is improvement from this offensive unit as a whole. Let’s get some new Olineman and receivers in here for next year to at least give us a shot at contending. I hope you don’t get the impression that I am implying this season as a write off, I am just being realistic in that I don’t like our chances with this offense.

Stephenson and Fisher are both young players and will improve. We'll lose Albert as a UFA next year, and he's injury prone anyway. I'm more concerned with the guards and center, who are also all relatively high picks. But I believe Dorsey has an eye for talent. He just needs some time.


*Finally, how good would Smith be if the entire offensive unit improved as a whole? That is a question I pose to you and everyone else. I've always wondered about this.

If ands and buts were candy and nuts.....
Would you rather be 1-10 like last year?
Be patient. These front office guys know what they're doing.

Sweet Daddy Hate 11-18-2013 01:12 PM

George knows.

gold_and_red 11-18-2013 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by gblowfish (Post 10202087)
If ands and buts were candy and nuts.....
Would you rather be 1-10 like last year?
Be patient. These front office guys know what they're doing.

Everybody can see that the interior OL is a liability. Why has there been no change? Do the front office/coaches truly believe they are putting the best players out there?

gblowfish 11-18-2013 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by gold_and_red (Post 10202115)
Everybody can see that the interior OL is a liability. Why has there been no change? Do the front office/coaches truly believe they are putting the best players out there?

Albert (1st round) and Charles #3 pick is what we got for Jared Allen.
Asamoah is a #3 pick.
Hudson is a #2 pick.
Allen is a #2 pick.
Fisher first pick in the whole damn draft.

That's giving a LOT of draft attention to the O-Line. If they can't play, then that's on scouting.

ThaVirus 11-18-2013 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by mr. tegu (Post 10202076)
I really can't understand why they struggle so much in the red zone. Do we not have some more imaginative plays to get guys open? Three runs up the middle on 1st and goal? Ugh.

There were some complaints about that series of calls in the game thread last night.

Honestly, I liked three straight runs in that situation. We were trying to make a comeback and reestablish some dominance in the process. With a 1st and goal from the 2 yard line, you should be able to score with three straight runs.

My biggest issue with that series was that we didn't go for it on 4th down. In my mind, that was absolutely four down territory.

InChiefsHeaven 11-18-2013 01:31 PM

The box score I found interesting...

Chiefs Broncos
73 Total Plays 76 Pretty even
344 Total Yards 427 Not a huge difference
9-53 Penalties 13-82 Shocking. Donks flagged more than Chiefs
1 Turnovers 1 God dammit
4-13 Third Down Eff. 6-16 Defense played remarkably well
0-1 4th Down Eff 0-0

Chiefs 22/45 200yds, 2TD
Donks 24/40 323yds, 1TD That blew my mind. Threw it more than Denver...

Anyway, by the numbers it was a much closer game. The problem was their offense did a lot more with their opportunities than did the Chiefs. Also, Alex was hot and cold, but there's no denying he can make the deep ball throw, just in time for a receiver to drop it. That's frustrating as hell. They just can't get their shit together. The offense is really a one trick pony called Jamal Charles, and he can't do it all every week.

Heading for another playoff disaster. BUT...I do feel like this team is in good hands. This is way better than last year, hands down and will only get better.

bricks 11-18-2013 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by gblowfish (Post 10202087)
If ands and buts were candy and nuts.....
Would you rather be 1-10 like last year?
Be patient. These front office guys know what they're doing.

Oh don't get me wrong, I am content with the improvement.

Love the fact that we are 9-1.

I just fear this season will be another choke. Like you and many others, we've seen it before 13-3, first round playoff loss.

It's still better than 1-10 obviously but you know as fans we've all been down this road before and of course we always want the big picture to be satisfied. That's just how it is. I'll gladly admit it.

I hope you're right about Dorsey and co. Lets see what there judgement is like down the road from now.

Mosbonian 11-18-2013 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by thurman merman (Post 10201982)

I hope you put that link on as a joke.....that is his one time a year lucky play. And the fact that he had gaping holes to run thru (on the pathetic Giants ST) saved him from being embarrassed on the spin move at the first.

Face it...DMAC is not the guy you want as a return man.

Buehler445 11-18-2013 01:48 PM

One thing I forgot to mention, and I'm surprised it didn't make the list, but I was ecstatic about Flowers' flat out nasty attitude towards dealing with Welker.

That's awesome. Welker doesn't like to take hits, so hit him, even if the play is away from him, jack him up. The damn game is too soft on the WRs anyway, so rough him up. Make him know you're there. Welker has started sliding like a pussy on some plays anyway. I love that strategy. And for the most part, Welker didn't really burn us too bad. He had one where he punked flowers and one where they ran a really nice pick play (for once not an illegal one) for a first, but Welker was quiet for the most part. 8 for 72 no TDs isn't bad.

I like that these guys are nasty. Especially in the age where they all try to be friends. I'm not really in favor of dirty or trying to hurt people, but that doesn't mean we have to make it comfortable.

It was kind of surprising to see Flowers jacking him up away from the play like that since not many players do that anymore, but I like it. Get in that little honkey's head.

Pablo 11-18-2013 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 10201703)
This.

And you can blame our goalline **** up on our interior offensive line. I don't know what the **** is wrong with these assholes but they better figure it out.

If they haven't figured it out by now, I'm not holding out much hope that they will this season.

bricks 11-18-2013 01:52 PM

I think Smiths yard per completion are low mainly because of the system itself.

Remember, this a west coast style of offense that revolves around a short passing game. Because he is so accustomed and dependent on throwing short, his yards per completion suffers. That is my guess.

But that is fine. The yards per completion stuff doesn't really bother me. All I care about is execution really. If he is going to throw short, I want our receivers to execute. In the end, that is all that matters anyway.

Pablo 11-18-2013 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Mosbonian (Post 10202250)
I hope you put that link on as a joke.....that is his one time a year lucky play. And the fact that he had gaping holes to run thru (on the pathetic Giants ST) saved him from being embarrassed on the spin move at the first.

Face it...DMAC is not the guy you want as a return man.

Running into a crowd and spinning just doesn't get it done.

Sorter 11-18-2013 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 10202267)
One thing I forgot to mention, and I'm surprised it didn't make the list, but I was ecstatic about Flowers' flat out nasty attitude towards dealing with Welker.

That's awesome. Welker doesn't like to take hits, so hit him, even if the play is away from him, jack him up. The damn game is too soft on the WRs anyway, so rough him up. Make him know you're there. Welker has started sliding like a pussy on some plays anyway. I love that strategy. And for the most part, Welker didn't really burn us too bad. He had one where he punked flowers and one where they ran a really nice pick play (for once not an illegal one) for a first, but Welker was quiet for the most part. 8 for 72 no TDs isn't bad.

I like that these guys are nasty. Especially in the age where they all try to be friends. I'm not really in favor of dirty or trying to hurt people, but that doesn't mean we have to make it comfortable.

It was kind of surprising to see Flowers jacking him up away from the play like that since not many players do that anymore, but I like it. Get in that little honkey's head.

What Flowers did to Welker is what KC should have done to Manning /Gregg Williams


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