Hmmm.

Been there before. Seemed ok to me but we were just there for beers and live music. And that was quite some time ago (I think).

I read the link. You seem not to have read my post.

The Pirate one was really bad. First, the people running it were idiots who seemed to have escaped from a Renaissance Fair or Comicon and seemed to have no business running a bar. That being said, it seemed like John really went out of his way to **** with them because he hated the type of people they were. I mean, having people like that run some kind of business executive themed bar? Really? It's almost like he was trying to thumb his nose at them and be funny with the theme he chose for the bar. That's more of the tone deaf, business only decision without considering passion and soul stuff that I talked about him doing. With that one, thigh, it almost seemed malicious or an attempt to be ironic/funny.

I could. not. agree more.

To expect those people to buy into "corporate" couldn't have been a simple mistake, it had to have been purposeful, it was easily the biggest WTF moment since i've been watching, it was almost like the city said "help us get these guys the **** outta here"... having said that, why not just buy in after seeing the beautiful new bar that was created to cater to the immediate, money making clientele?

They could fly around America hitting up pirate/renaissance festivals if they had stuck to the program imo, its not that i don't get being an outsider with a dream... at all... but daaang, take the money and run, be who you are anywhere but that bar.

According to the blog post (taken with a grain of salt) those self dispensing beer machines are illegal in their city/state, so They had to remove them.

Did you read the link? If we are to take the butt hurt pirates claim as true then we also must take into account the Murphy's rescuee as accurate well. Except the Murphy's employee debunked the others claims by citing sources and facts, the pirates defender had a laundry list of opinions dressed up as facts.

My favorite was the guy in Phoenix, next to ASU, who turned a killer space into a metal bar. There isn't a more non-money spending clientele than metalheads. Yeah, yeah, you got some beard metal guys who are into craft brews, but for the most part metalheads come to the show with a case of beer in their trunk, are in the parking lot getting high between sets, and looking for a $2 Hamms if they are forced to buy something inside. I mean, at least hip hop/dj clientele pretend to know about tequila and cognac and will drop some $$$.

imho location and atmosphere suck. the patio has an 8' block wall all the way around it, it's like being in a prison yard. food is okay. service poor. the fact that many link them to recent credit card fraud doesn't help I'm sure.

the guy who opened it drained his dad's 401k to open it. I believe he recently sold it. not sure who runs it now.

I didn't see that one. I will say that I went to a joint called Angel's Trumpet in that same area, and it had a very metal vibe and clientele. It was like a bar full of Reapers. Craft beers, awesome good, and intelligent metal head vibes.

I'm sure they exist. From my experience in KC, most "rock bars" start off strong and then have to go in a more hip hop/DJ direction with fewer rock/metal shows simply because they can't make any money off them (can't get any chicks to show up). The rock bars around here with craft taps still keep tallboys on hand for the metal shows. Most shows I go to, we stand around outside between sets drinking beer someone brought. I spend very little inside. I do blow my cash wad at the merch tables though.

It's a lttle sad though, because people (myself included) complain about the lack of consistent punk/metal venues, but that's why, they don't make money for the most part.

Well, in fairness, this place wasn't a venue. Just a bar/restaurant that had a metal vibe and clientele.

Yeah, I should've differentiated between metal people going to shows and people who like metal that are going out for drinks.

I love the show.
But it's clear parts of it are "fake," when the "hidden cameras are moving with the characters and picking up production-quality sound in an ostensibly crowded bar.