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jjchieffan 02-16-2014 08:16 PM

I found some cap numbers. Orton $4.3M, Fitzpatrick, $4.1M, Drew Stanton $3.6M, just to name a few.

jjchieffan 02-16-2014 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 10436829)
Rookies are paid on potential.

2nd contracts are based on previous NFL production.

So potential based on play at the college level, where the rules are different and the talent level isn't close is worth millions, but potential based on sitting behind a top 5 QB in the league for his career is totally worthless? I'm sure that Chase didn't learn a thing practicing every week in New Orleans. If he had been able to get a few starts, we wouldn't have got him for so little. He probably would've gotten a starting gig getting paid twice as much.

milkman 02-16-2014 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by jjchieffan (Post 10436850)
So potential based on play at the college level, where the rules are different and the talent level isn't close is worth millions, but potential based on sitting behind a top 5 QB in the league for his career is totally worthless? I'm sure that Chase didn't learn a thing practicing every week in New Orleans. If he had been able to get a few starts, we wouldn't have got him for so little. He probably would've gotten a starting gig getting paid twice as much.

Matt Flynn.

jjchieffan 02-16-2014 08:43 PM

Matt Flynn was definitely overpaid. He was also signed with the intentions of him being the starter. Once he lost the starting job he was cut due to the size of his contract. But had he been on a 3 year $10M contract, he would probably still be in Seattle. I'm not seeing how just saying Matt Flynn helps make your point. Daniels contract isn't a fraction of what his was.If anything, Matt Flynn makes my point that Daniel is not overpaid.

O.city 02-16-2014 08:47 PM

Paying free agents based on what they've done in the past will get you in trouble, pay for the future

chiefzilla1501 02-16-2014 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 10436758)
Hopefully, cause we are in about the same place there

Meh, I say let Hali play out his contract. No need to restructure him. I'd rather just take his contract completely off the books in 2 years than milk it out over 5 years when he's past his prime. A lot of players go off the books in past 2015, so I think you can sign a guy like Houston with the understanding that the big triggers are guaranteed payouts for his 3rd year.

milkman 02-16-2014 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by jjchieffan (Post 10436871)
Matt Flynn was definitely overpaid. He was also signed with the intentions of him being the starter. Once he lost the starting job he was cut due to the size of his contract. But had he been on a 3 year $10M contract, he would probably still be in Seattle. I'm not seeing how just saying Matt Flynn helps make your point. Daniels contract isn't a fraction of what his was.If anything, Matt Flynn makes my point that Daniel is not overpaid.

Matt Flynn spent 3 years learning behind the best QB in the NFL.

What exactly did he get from all that learnin'?

milkman 02-16-2014 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 10436880)
Paying free agents based on what they've done in the past will get you in trouble, pay for the future

Nice concept, but it doesn't work that way.

jjchieffan 02-16-2014 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 10436889)
Matt Flynn spent 3 years learning behind the best QB in the NFL.

What exactly did he get from all that learnin'?

A $26M contract. Duh.
LMAO

Seriously though, he got an undeserved contract. Nobody disputes that. But 3 years $10M is a far cry from 3 years $26M. That's my point. Daniel got a fair deal.

milkman 02-16-2014 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by jjchieffan (Post 10436916)
A $26M contract. Duh.
LMAO

Seriously though, he got an undeserved contract. Nobody disputes that. But 3 years $10M is a far cry from 3 years $26M. That's my point. Daniel got a fair deal.

You can't show me a 5' tall, 300 lber to prove that a 5' tall 200 lber isn't fat.

O.city 02-16-2014 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 10436892)
Nice concept, but it doesn't work that way.

If teams were intelligent, it would. Actually, the better teams do it that way, toa. Certain extent

milkman 02-16-2014 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 10436926)
If teams were intelligent, it would. Actually, the better teams do it that way, toa. Certain extent

What the better teams do is draft well and use free agency to find role players.

They still, however, pay those role players market value based on previous production.

O.city 02-16-2014 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 10436931)
What the better teams do is draft well and use free agency to find role players.

They still, however, pay those role players market value based on previous production.

Not necessarily. They don't pay those last contract players based on a career. They pay guys who still have something left or still have a lot left.

It could be argued either way on what they're being paid for.

jjchieffan 02-16-2014 09:35 PM

Dorsey and Reid saw something to make them think he was worth it. I think they may know a thing or 2 more about QB evaluation than us. We could've probably re-signed Quinn for less. But I would much rather have Daniel myself.

jkw87 02-16-2014 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 10436735)
You asked why he is overpaid.

I answered.

What he did after he received the contract he hadn't earned is irrelevant.

I would say playing fairly well in that one game shows why they gave him the contract.

The contract he got before he took any regular season games with us is irrelevant once he performed well in his role. Your argument is invalid otherwise.


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