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Imon Yourside 04-02-2015 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 11414893)
Bart Starr.

The guy was putting up modern rate stats in the 60s when you could all but murder any offensive player. 90 passer ratings, 60+% completion percentages, 8+ YPA.

When you look at guys like Bradshaw and Lenny you have to really adjust for era before the numbers look even tolerable. Starr, OTOH, has numbers that would play all the way through the last decade and he did when cavemen ruled the earth.

Dipshit Clay would just call him a game manager.

SMIFF! LMAO

Hootie 04-02-2015 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by GoChargers (Post 11414775)
NFC Divisional vs. NY Giants (L 21-17) – The Cowboys were the #1 seed in the NFC and swept the Giants in the regular season. In the first half Romo led two 90+ yard touchdown drives. Dallas led 17-14 to start the fourth quarter. The Giants went ahead 21-17. On the next two drives, Romo was 3/9 for 50 yards, and sacked twice. On his last try, Romo had 1:50 and one timeout left, with the ball at the Giants’ 48. The drive only went 25 yards, and Romo’s last three passes were incomplete, including the interception in the end zone on 4th-and-1 from the Giants’ 23.

Let's look into this one a little further:

Tony Romo was the best player on the field for the Dallas Cowboys THE ENTIRE GAME. This is a great example of why playoff losses aren't always on the QB. He was so good this game it was insane.

Our buddy Amnorix likes to tell us the 18-1 game happened because Tom Brady had no pass protection. He's right. The Giants won that game because Tom Brady was pressured all game long. The Giants held the best offense of all time to 14 points. 14. Tom Brady was hit repeatedly all game long.

Guess what these Giants did to Tony Romo? Tony Romo ran for his life this entire game.

He did lead TWO LONG TD drives in the first half, including 1 that left under a minute in the 2nd quarter. What did the Cowboys defense do? They allowed Eli Manning to cut the game to 14-7 by scoring a TD in under a minute in the 2nd quarter. It was a HUGE momentum change.

Nonetheless, the Cowboys were leading 17-14 in the 3rd quarter on a 3rd and long and Tony Romo made the most amazingly clutch play to escape a pass rush and delivered a bullet *DAGGER* pass to Patrick Crayton that hit him in the numbers and would've probably won Dallas the game because he had nothing but daylight ahead of him:

Watch the play here:

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I know, youtube was terrible back then ... but he literally led Crayton into a catch and run for a TD and the dude flat drops it on 3rd and 14.

AND I ABSOLUTELY LOVE THE FOLLOWING COMMENT:

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including the interception in the end zone on 4th-and-1 from the Giants’ 23.
YES

WITH 13 SECONDS LEFT AND NO TIMEOUTS

TONY ROMO THREW A PASS ON 4TH AND 1 (CAN'T PICK UP A 1ST DOWN IN BOUNDS OR GAME IS OVER) INTO THE END ZONE TOWARDS HIS BEST PLAYER (TERRELL OWENS) THAT WAS INTERCEPTED.

Yet, our buddy GoChargers (idiot), decided to put it in a context that concluded Romo was a huge choker for throwing an interception on 4th and 1 in Giants territory with the game on the line.

HE JUST FAILED TO MENTION IT WAS WITH 13 SECONDS LEFT AND THE COWBOYS HAD NO TIMEOUTS TO STOP THE CLOCK SO THE BEST COURSE OF ACTION WAS TO TRY AND GET TERRELL OWENS IN THE END ZONE LIKE STEVE YOUNG ONCE UPON A TIME.

Kind of like the 4th and 1 play this year against Green Bay to Dez that won them the game until the shitty ass Calvin Johnson catch rule came into effect.

I was really hoping someone brought up this game.

TWO THINGS LOST THIS GAME FOR DALLAS (and the Super Bowl for New England since they wouldn't have lost to Dallas or Green Bay)...

1) Allowing Eli Manning to score in the 1st half with only 53 seconds on the clock from the NYG 29. A touchdown nonetheless. This cut the lead from 14-0 to 14-7. HUGE MOMENTUM SWING.

2) The Patrick Crayton drop. Awful. This was a true choke job here.

But thanks for proving my point. Trying to paint this game as a choke job?! Hysterical.

Hootie 04-02-2015 08:53 AM

and I'd like to show everyone the botched snap, too:

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First off, this happened with 1:20 left on the clock and would have put Dallas up 23-21.

Are we to say that the Dallas defense would have stopped Matt Hasselbeck (prime Matt Hasselbeck who went on to the Super Bowl) from picking up 45-50 yards and then winning the game themselves on a field goal? That's the hilarious thing to me.

Now, should Parcells have had his PRO BOWL QB (who saved the season for Dallas, by the way) HOLDING FIELD GOALS when he had EVERYTHING ELSE to worry about? I mean, how is this good coaching.

AND LASTLY, TONY ROMO WAS ALMOST A HERO FOR BOTCHING THAT SNAP. YOU KNOW WHO THE REAL BEAST ON THAT PLAY WAS?! THE DEFENDER WHO TRIPPED ROMO UP FROM WHAT I IMAGINE ROMO THOUGHT WAS A SURE TD.

AT LEAST ROMO HAD THE WHEREWITHAL TO PICK UP THE BOTCHED SNAP, NOT FREAK OUT, AND THEN GET INTO THE END ZONE ... A DEFENDER DOVE AT HIM AND SAVED THE GAME FOR SEATTLE.

But again, this is not a choke job. This is bad coaching. And Romo STILL almost bailed them out.

...and let's not forget, even if Dallas went up 23-21 there with 1:15 left. They still only had about a 65% chance to win.

...but everyone wants to paint a convenient narrative

it's embarrassing

GoChargers 04-02-2015 09:20 AM

Wow, apparently Romo's choking broke Hootie.

Hootie 04-02-2015 09:22 AM

you should download the Cowherd podcast today ...

he was just arguing with a caller about Russell Wilson

said Russell Wilson is a FANASTIC QB ... a QB like no one we've ever seen ... and that Seattle wins BECAUSE of Russell Wilson

but I'm sure you're smarter than Colin Cowherd

Hootie 04-02-2015 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by GoChargers (Post 11414968)
Wow, apparently Romo's choking broke Hootie.

I'm not dumb enough to BLINDLY reference a playoff game from 2007 and then try and highlight it as if Romo had the biggest choke job ever.

I don't know how old you are (I assume around 20), but I watched that game with great anticipation and it's hilarious to me that you tried to 'pwn' me by bringing that up as a Romo choke.

That was probably the best game I've ever seen Tony Romo play. The numbers don't show it ... but he almost SINGLE-HANDEDLY beat the 'soon to be' champions who made Tom Brady their bitch (18-1) in that Super Bowl.

But really good point, per usual, man!

DJ's left nut 04-02-2015 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0 (Post 11414971)
you should download the Cowherd podcast today ...

he was just arguing with a caller about Russell Wilson

said Russell Wilson is a FANASTIC QB ... a QB like no one we've ever seen ... and that Seattle wins BECAUSE of Russell Wilson

but I'm sure you're smarter than Colin Cowherd

You're going to hitch your wagon to Cowherd?

That's about as bad an 'appeal to authority' argument I've ever seen. Cowherd's an opinionated talking head that will forcefully make his stance known - that doesn't mean he has any better insight than many here have. He's never worked in football and as far as I know he never played it past high school. He watches football, the same as we do. I'm not sure why I'm supposed to defer to his judgment on anything.

Hootie 04-02-2015 09:54 AM

Listen to his show. He's FANTASTIC. I almost never disagree with any of his opinions. Plus, he loves Romo and Wilson.

Hootie 04-02-2015 09:55 AM

His show is the best show on sports radio and there isn't a close 2nd (maybe SVP & Russilo but they talk too much college and I hate college)...seriously. Listen to it one morning. He's fantastic.

Bowser 04-02-2015 09:57 AM

Hootie, you do love you some QB's that are studs in the regular season.

Hootie 04-02-2015 09:59 AM

I am fascinated by the QB position and am a huge fan of those who excel at said position

...other than Tom Brady (because he just gets too much credit)

Hoopsdoc 04-02-2015 10:15 AM

I never did get the hatred for Romo. Is he elite? No, but he's one rung below and you could certainly win a super bowl with him.

Hootie 04-02-2015 10:15 AM

you wanna know why Bob Kraft is a great owner? He put great football people in place and doesn't **** with them.

Jerry Jones had to be talked out of taking Johnny Football last year by the president of his team (oh, his son!!!)

...that's what Romo has had to work with his entire career

It's criminal that Romo won't be in the hall of fame. The Cowboys are the Raiders this past decade without Tony Romo.

Bowser 04-02-2015 10:19 AM

The Cowboys are about two steps above the Raiders this past decade WITH Romo.

DJ's left nut 04-02-2015 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0 (Post 11415031)
Listen to his show. He's FANTASTIC. I almost never disagree with any of his opinions. Plus, he loves Romo and Wilson.

I always listen to him on my drive in whenever baseball is in a bit of a down period (outside of the hot stove; mid-summer doldrums, etc...), otherwise it's MLB network.

He's opinionated and fairly well spoken. He's not unlike a lot of people I come across daily that can simply state things with enough conviction that you think they come from a place of great knowledge (frankly, I'm actually pretty damn good at that).

That's all well and good, but Cowherd doesn't come from that place. He's just a spectacular salesman. He's ambitious, he's aggressive - he's perfect for talk radio but he's also not someone who I'm going to immediately substitute his judgment for my own because what does being charismatic have to do with being knowledgeable? The guy has no particular bit of knowledge or expertise that makes him more capable of evaluating QBs than I am. He just has a microphone.

You're welcome to back him as someone you routinely agree with, but to say "I'm sure you're smarter than Colin Cowherd" as though the rest of us are supposed to march in lock-step with a particularly good snake-oil salesman is just ridiculous. It's made more obvious why you'd make the argument when you cite the fact that you always agree with him; of course you think he's smart, he thinks the same things you do. It's like liberals that call Limbaugh an idiots or conservatives that call Olberman one. Nope - those are very smart guys that happen to live in their own respective echo-chambers.

Cowherd's a guy that lives in your echo chamber. That doesn't make him smart, it doesn't make him dumb. In no way does that mean I'm going to defer to him on anything.


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