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'Hamas' Jenkins 06-10-2015 03:09 PM

****ing idiot has a career 3.5 YPC average. He needs to get to NFL average before he starts thinking about Jamaal.

ToxSocks 06-10-2015 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 11543090)
It's a counter and 2 defenders were filling the hole you think you see.

The play was designed to go where it went and Kelce whiffed on his block. If Kelce seals that edge, Davis might score on a long run.

Im not talking about the hole that opened on the counter. Im talking about hole he juked himself out of.

Kelce Missed a block...ok...doesn't mean he needs to slide right into the defender.

It's called Vision.Not every play is going to be blocked the way it's drawn up. Adjust and hit the gap given to you....don't dance right into the freaking defender.

It's a shit play by Knile. No need to defend it.

ToxSocks 06-10-2015 03:22 PM

There's no way #56 stops him from getting the first. All Knile needed was inches. His forward momentum would've gotten him the first.

The block was missed, Knile had a choice to make and he tried to juke to the outside instead of hitting the gap in front of him.

O.city 06-10-2015 03:25 PM

It's an counter trap play. He's following blockers.

Situation wise, he should have just fallen forward in that hole but it was closed pretty quickly. Frankly, on 3rd and short, gotta question why we are calling an outside counter like that.

BossChief 06-10-2015 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 11543114)
Im not talking about the hole that opened on the counter. Im talking about hole he juked himself out of.

Kelce Missed a block...ok...doesn't mean he needs to slide right into the defender.

It's called Vision.Not every play is going to be blocked the way it's drawn up. Adjust and hit the gap given to you....don't dance right into the freaking defender.

It's a shit play by Knile. No need to defend it.

I know what you're talking about and I'm just saying he didn't "dance out of a hole" he ran the ball where the play was designed for it to go. It's a counter. The "dance" is basically a play fake for a running play. It's in the plays design for the ball to go left.

But let's say he shoots straight up the field...there are still 2 defenders filling the hole.

No guarantee he picks up the first...but by following his block, he has a chance to score.

O.city 06-10-2015 03:28 PM

He could have fallen forward and probably gotten the first down in that hole.

I'm not sure why were running a play on 3rd and short taht requires Kelce to seal Sio Moore, guess we're trying to hit a home run.

ToxSocks 06-10-2015 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 11543122)
It's an counter trap play. He's following blockers.

Situation wise, he should have just fallen forward in that hole but it was closed pretty quickly. Frankly, on 3rd and short, gotta question why we are calling an outside counter like that.

There was no blocker to follow. Kelce blew it from the get-go. Knile has to be aware that shuffling your feet horizontaly and hopping right into a defender is a poor choice. Simply pushing forward woulda at least given him a chance at a 1st, rather than a 2-3 yard loss.

BossChief 06-10-2015 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 11543119)
There's no way #56 stops him from getting the first. All Knile needed was inches. His forward momentum would've gotten him the first.

The block was missed, Knile had a choice to make and he tried to juke to the outside instead of hitting the gap in front of him.

It's a counter, he didn't try to juke outside.

FFS look at the blocking.

Mr. Laz 06-10-2015 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 11543047)
87 missed his block and while it made Davis looked bad, I blame Andy for the poor call.

Doesn't matter


Davis had a 1st down right in front of him and didn't take it. If he breaks a tackle on that play he probably has a touchdown because the defense was up.

BossChief 06-10-2015 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 11543129)
He could have fallen forward and probably gotten the first down in that hole.

I'm not sure why were running a play on 3rd and short taht requires Kelce to seal Sio Moore, guess we're trying to hit a home run.

Exactly. They wanted a big play in a situation where the defense was keying on a a or b gap run. They were crashing.

Count the defenders, if Kelce makes that block Davis scores.

He did what he's coached to do.

ToxSocks 06-10-2015 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 11543127)
I know what you're talking about and I'm just saying he didn't "dance out of a hole" he ran the ball where the play was designed for it to go. It's a counter. The "dance" is basically a play fake for a running play. It's in the plays design for the ball to go left.

But let's say he shoots straight up the field...there are still 2 defenders filling the hole.

No guarantee he picks up the first...but by following his block, he has a chance to score.

There was no block to follow on the outside, FFS, Kelce completely whiffed. He wasn't following shit.

He saw the hole there, he hesitated, and chose to try and bounce it to the outside anyway instead of simply pushing forward. The end.

Poor play by Knile. And the two defenders there aren't in position to stop his momentum from getting a few inches.

ToxSocks 06-10-2015 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 11543140)
Exactly. They wanted a big play in a situation where the defense was keying on a a or b gap run. They were crashing.

Count the defenders, if Kelce makes that block Davis scores.

He did what he's coached to do.

Excuses. He ****ed up. Everyone in this thread is telling you the same thing. He had a hole, he didn't take it. That's the bottom line.

I'm pretty sure he's not coached to hesitate, shuffle his feet and hop right into a defender's arms.

ThaVirus 06-10-2015 03:44 PM

I don't particularly like the counter call in a short yardage situation, but I understand it. You're not likely to find a better opportunity to catch the opponent being overly aggressive than on a 3rd and 1 situation. At the very least, you hope your guys can execute properly and squeak out enough for the 1st down. At best, you catch the defense with its pants down and rip them for a huge gain.

I will say, though, that this particular game probably wasn't the best for the call. It was wet as hell, the Raider's field is an absolute shitpile, and our offensive line blows. Reid was asking for trouble here.

O.city 06-10-2015 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 11543145)
Excuses. He ****ed up. Everyone in this thread is telling you the same thing. He had a hole, he didn't take it. That's the bottom line.

I'm pretty sure he's not coached to hesitate, shuffle his feet and hop right into a defender's arms.

It's supposed to be a run to the outside. He didn't shuffle and decide to bounce it, it's designed to go outside of Kelce sealing moore.

ThaVirus 06-10-2015 03:47 PM

I'd like to see Knile act his weight. You'd think he were DAT's size the way he dances around sometimes.

Use that 230 lbs and blazing speed to punish some people.


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