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Chiefnj2 10-06-2015 03:33 PM

The whole team is playing very uninspired football. The D remains listless the entire 60 minutes while the offense wakes up once they are down 20+ points.

I'm not sure the talent is as good as people thought it was. Sutton can take some of the blame, but at the end of the day Fleming, Cooper, Branch and Parker have all been picked on and haven't been able to do much. Berry doesn't look 100%, and neither does Poe. Ford apparently can't beat out a quickly descending Hali. Plus, you have Smith out 3 games, Gaines out and a rookie CB who has flashed but has probably given up 5 TDs so far this year.

oaklandhater 10-06-2015 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 11779714)
The whole team is playing very uninspired football. The D remains listless the entire 60 minutes while the offense wakes up once they are down 20+ points.

I'm not sure the talent is as good as people thought it was. Sutton can take some of the blame, but at the end of the day Fleming, Cooper, Branch and Parker have all been picked on and haven't been able to do much. Berry doesn't look 100%, and neither does Poe. Ford apparently can't beat out a quickly descending Hali. Plus, you have Smith out 3 games, Gaines out and a rookie CB who has flashed but has probably given up 5 TDs so far this year.

This I think the team has kinda of gave up after the den game they look done out there

Deberg_1990 10-06-2015 03:52 PM

Wasnt there 2 TDs in the Broncos game that weren't defensive related at all? A pick six and a fumble?

Rausch 10-06-2015 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 11779749)
Wasnt there 2 TDs in the Broncos game that weren't defensive related at all? A pick six and a fumble?

Keep in mind that BOTH of those plays could have been prevented by the HC.

If the HC kneels the ball they don't happen. One sends us in to half time with a 7 point lead and the other sends us to OT with a chance to win.

Just by smart decision making by the HC the poor play of our players could have been overcome. Instead the HC $3it his pants as well...

Three7s 10-06-2015 03:56 PM

It's hard to blame the secondary too much when we get no pressure on the QB.

Deberg_1990 10-06-2015 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 11779761)
Keep in mind that BOTH of those plays could have been prevented by the HC.

If the HC kneels the ball they don't happen. One sends us in to half time with a 7 point lead and the other sends us to OT with a chance to win.

Just by smart decision making by the HC the poor play of our players could have been overcome. Instead the HC $3it his pants as well...

IM just saying there should be an asterisk with this stat. You cant hang those points on the defense.

mcaj22 10-06-2015 04:10 PM

I got so much crap from delusional homers on here when I said weeks ago Sutton will be the first one fired.

now everyone agrees

RunKC 10-06-2015 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Stop, Chiefs (Post 11779574)
Yep, he will be the scapegoat and Alex and Andy will get a free pass.

Sutton can't be the scapegoat for three years of offensive line failure and Red zone failures yet again

jonzie04 10-06-2015 04:18 PM

Our defense should still be way better than it is but a lot of our guys aren't nearly as good as we thought.
Below average guys that are supposed to be pro bowlers
DJ
Poe
Berry
Hali
Then we have a few guys in the secondary who can't tackle to save their lives
Ron Parker has to be one of the worst tackling safeties in the entire league.
Sean Smith gives no effort against the run
Peters while willing, hasn't been tackling well.
Gaines same situation as peters

Bailey is average at best against the run, he's got a few sacks but generally applies no pressure.
Howard is an animal against the run but can't pas Rush at all.
Abdullah is average.
Mauga, Fleming, Cooper are all God awful.

oaklandhater 10-06-2015 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 11779785)
I got so much crap from delusional homers on here when I said weeks ago Sutton will be the first one fired.

now everyone agrees

It will only get worst for the homers here I think Cutler is going to have a 3-4 td day

mcaj22 10-06-2015 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by jonzie04 (Post 11779796)
Our defense should still be way better than it is but a lot of our guys aren't nearly as good as we thought.
Below average guys that are supposed to be pro bowlers
DJ
Poe
Berry
Hali
Then we have a few guys in the secondary who can't tackle to save their lives
Ron Parker has to be one of the worst tackling safeties in the entire league.
Sean Smith gives no effort against the run
Peters while willing, hasn't been tackling well.
Gaines same situation as peters

Bailey is average at best against the run, he's got a few sacks but generally applies no pressure.
Howard is an animal against the run but can't pas Rush at all.
Abdullah is average.
Mauga, Fleming, Cooper are all God awful.

or ya know, it could be the one trick pony defensive scheme and awful coaching putting these guys in the wrong place.

I don't believe in that many good players just all magically lose their football talent and become below average/invisible in one offseason. A whole side of the ball doesn't lose their talent that quick.

New World Order 10-06-2015 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Lee (Post 11779569)
Paging Eric Hicks...please pick up the red & yellow courtesy phone for an urgent message...


Don't forget Vonnie Holiday and Shawn Barber

New World Order 10-06-2015 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by jonzie04 (Post 11779796)
Our defense should still be way better than it is but a lot of our guys aren't nearly as good as we thought.
Below average guys that are supposed to be pro bowlers
DJ
Poe
Berry
Hali
Then we have a few guys in the secondary who can't tackle to save their lives
Ron Parker has to be one of the worst tackling safeties in the entire league.
Sean Smith gives no effort against the run
Peters while willing, hasn't been tackling well.
Gaines same situation as peters

Bailey is average at best against the run, he's got a few sacks but generally applies no pressure.
Howard is an animal against the run but can't pas Rush at all.
Abdullah is average.
Mauga, Fleming, Cooper are all God awful.

DJ is old and was hurt last year.
Hali is old
Berry was sick

On top of all that we have an idiot defensive coordinator. I think the majority (including me) on this board thought with the return of Sean Smith the secondary would look better.

Well, it didn't.

The Franchise 10-06-2015 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 11779801)
or ya know, it could be the one trick pony defensive scheme and awful coaching putting these guys in the wrong place.

I don't believe in that many good players just all magically lose their football talent and become below average/invisible in one offseason. A whole side of the ball doesn't lose their talent that quick.

This.

Sutton is ****ing this all up.

Prison Bitch 10-06-2015 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 11779582)

No Golden Flamers.


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