I am all ready starting to dread Christmas when all the vegan In-laws show up at the door.

*My goal for 2016 is to only eat meat and fish that I've procured myself... IE, Venison (Deer, Elk), and Fish that I've caught.

*I will also indulge in a J. Gilbert's steak from time to time. :)

Yes, as you've said the classification doesn't say anything about the relative dangers of things in the same category.

The straw man argument (this is actually a straw man, not the CP taunt of 'straw man') is that WHO is saying bacon is as bad as tobacco, which isn't what they are saying. They are saying processed meats do cause cancer, and that red meat probably does, but it's still in category 2 because it needs more study.

It isn't. They declared hot dogs, cold cuts and other processed meat to definitely be carcinogens. But steak as, probably.

I don't know, who?

Tell 'em their veggie hot dogs probably contain human DNA and pork.

I give up. WHO?

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I also think that they should be careful to differentiate animals on what they eat. For example, Grass-Fed animals tend to look and taste a lot more healthy than corn (and whatever the hell else) is fed to those penned up animals.

So that lady that did the sausage in the Walmart bathroom is hosed !

Well, bye.

That's what I'm asking. Who is saying processed meat causes cancer?

I think its pretty understood in medical research regarding cancer, that it's generally not that something causes cancer, but rather a certain amount of something causes cancer. You smoke a cig once a month at a buddies house, you aren't getting lung cancer from it. You eat a ham sandwich once a month for lunch, you aren't getting cancer from it.

Reasonable is this: Eat a whole foods, plant based diet, and supplement your protein with sustainable fish and cage free chicken. Once in a while have a lean cut of red meat/pork. Limit processed sugars, processed carbs in general. Try to get 30-45 minutes of excercise 4-5 days a week. Do that and you are good to go. No, eating a ham sandwich isn't going to cause you to get cancer.

Also, to BEP, no, the medical community is not behind on the cholesterol research. It's pretty clear that a high LDL is not good for you, and a low HDL is not good for you. What is new, is that it's the type of LDL (particle size) that really matters, and more importantly, the amount of vessel inflammation for those small particles to lodge in, that makes a difference. Most of the public is just not able to process all of it really, so it's canned as "Cholesterol is bad for you and these foods are high in cholesterol".

You seem nice.

Yeah, well, I am.