And why Kelce and Hill have been very productive especially Kelce this last half of the season. I have said all along that especially this last half of our season teams have not respected AS and our passing game and have stacked the box and why our running game almost parallels Denver's run game but the difference lies in the fact that AS has far more experience than Siemian in getting the ball into his playmakers hands.

While there's room for improvement, the line's playing better than it has for years, and it's only going to get better down the road. And there are other issues which make them look worse. Namely playcalling, which has been horrendous all year from a creativity/predictability standpoint, as well as quarterback play - Smith simply doesn't feel or recognize pressure, and often blindly falls right into it if he doesn't either throw the ball to his primary target in 2.25 seconds or take off running - and finally the stable of backup runningbacks that would be fine as short-term fixes but just aren't 20-carry starting material. We need another starter, Ware needs to split time with him rather than be featured and West needs to be third string.

That's my take at least. And I think guard will be shored up long term once Ehinger is healthy and more seasoned. The line as a whole is a young group that should be even more solid in 17 and moving forward. The other issues will probably remain frustratingly the same.

There always being a lot of guys in the box is a good point. It was like that last year as well and we did better. Smith helps the o line pass blocking stats, not so much the run game.

The line is undersized for smashmouth IMO. Andy likes smaller quicker guys that can get out in space for his WC offense. You dont see guts on our line and teams can bull rush us plowing out undersized center and guards.

They're not great , but they sure are capable. And this is after being tested by some of the best defensive lines/pass rushers in the league

What constitutes undersized? Morse is our lightest OL at 305 lbs. Fish and Fulton are both 315 and Schwartz and Tardif are 320.

Pretty much Tim Grunhards on Frank Boals show after the titans game and also on 810 am.

I dont buy the 305 on Morse he looks small.

He's 6'6" maybe that hurts him a little.

Remember the John Alt days and the 02-05 line !!:drool:

That 2005 line made Ray Ray cry for mercy Roaf, Shields, Weigman, Waters and Black-Welbourn.

Alt man I loved that guy a true warrior with the chronic back he still was one of thes best. If that back hadnt of had problems he most likely would be up with the greats like Roaf.

04, I remember that Monday night game. Lewis literally was scared, I loved it !!!

Grunhart said its a mentality that you just got to get low and drive no matter how it hurts he went on to say look at me and stood up I was never a big guy. He really kind of called Morse out.

You dad gum right it is a mentality. I don't care how athletically talented you are IF you don't play football with a "PISS and VINEGAR" mindset you will minimize your production greatly on top of getting hurt.

except for Ehringer was shit before Fulton took over

so much so that Fulton felt like an upgrade


Maybe Ehringer will be better once he gets stronger but we can't count on him yet.


I still have doubts about Andy Heck.

Our Dline seems to underperform too imo

Our Head coach is soft so that reflect most in the trenches where toughness is needed the most.

Lol