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Aspengc8 01-22-2019 07:32 AM

Someone want to tell Baldy that's not 'cloud' coverage lol.

scho63 01-22-2019 07:41 AM

I saw the McCourtys play at Rutgers often during their Schiano era and always liked them. Sucks that years later they hurt our team. Kenny Britt, Ray Rice and Mohamed Sanu were teammates at that time. They had talent.

stevieray 01-22-2019 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 14062844)
Yea the beginning of a great career with 0 SB’s

Mahomes in the next Marino unfortunately

dude

STOP.

The game isn't even the same.

scho63 01-22-2019 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 14062844)
Yea the beginning of a great career with 0 SB’s

Mahomes in the next Marino unfortunately

Step back from the ledge my fiend. :rolleyes:

Chiefspants 01-22-2019 09:11 AM

Some people really would have been happier with a 9-7 season where we just missed the playoffs, it seems.

Rausch 01-22-2019 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 14062844)
Yea the beginning of a great career with 0 SB’s

Mahomes in the next Marino unfortunately

You have ZERO perspective.

You're a butthurt fan overreacting like an angry child...

chiefzilla1501 01-22-2019 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 14062844)
Yea the beginning of a great career with 0 SB’s

Mahomes in the next Marino unfortunately

Good grief. We are talking about a first year starter carrying a team a coin toss and literally inches away from a super bowl. A starter who continued to get better as the season went along and will continue to improve.

VAChief 01-22-2019 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 14062293)
Why didn’t the chiefs do this to Edelman?

You mean and make Brady actually have to take some time and go through progressions instead of allowing him to get rid of the ball in less than 2.5 seconds? Fricking crazy how Grandpa couldn't adjust...really all year. Our talent is not as bad as what the stats say. He better be gone.

Amnorix 01-22-2019 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 14062682)
If you double Edelman then Brady will just focus on Gronk, or get to Hogan through his progressions. I do think the Chiefs would have been wise to jam Edelman at the line to throw off the timing and give the pass rush a little more time to get there. A prime Berry would have allowed them to do that, as he could cover Gronk fairly well. As is, they didn't have the horses, especially if they both weren't on the same side and you couldn't use triangle coverage.

Greater imagination in defensive fronts (amoeba looks, standing DL) or late shifts just before the snap to **** with Brady would have also helped.


Almost by definition, amoeba fronts and late shifts assumes that you're not going to **** yourself up more than the other guy by doing that stuff. Those are pretty advanced techniques, and i'm honestly not sure the Chiefs defense was good enough to do pull that off without creating more problems for themselves than for the Patriots.

Maybe the Chiefs defense has alot of seasoned vets who could handle it all. I'd imagine guys like Houston and Berry could. But could the rest?

Amnorix 01-22-2019 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by VAChief (Post 14063178)
You mean and make Brady actually have to take some time and go through progressions instead of allowing him to get rid of the ball in less than 2.5 seconds? Fricking crazy how Grandpa couldn't adjust...really all year. Our talent is not as bad as what the stats say. He better be gone.


You think Brady wouldn't recognize a "double Edelman" look pre-snap and go elsewhere with the ball in 2.5 seconds?

The reality is I don't think the Chiefs defense has the horses to do terribly much to stop good offenses who execute well. You can blame Sutton if you like -- and maybe he does suck, I don't pretend to have watched that many Chiefs games -- but it's not like your defense is overloaded with talent so far as i can tell, and it's not like the Patriots haven't done this to plenty of other teams.

FAX 01-22-2019 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by King slayer (Post 14062793)
What is the all-22

That is where the entire board takes a target pistol and shoots ourselves behind the ear.

FAX

tooge 01-22-2019 10:30 AM

Yeah, Patrick needs to learn to hit those checkdowns when the protection is falling apart and the deep guys aren't open. Hopefully that is his next big step forward. That'll reduce the sacks and negative plays some. The fine line is not coaching the agressiveness out of him but rather just getting him to settle some when it's just not there. I think he will get there.

Once you start doing that, then the double teams are now in your favor.

VAChief 01-22-2019 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix (Post 14063200)
You think Brady wouldn't recognize a "double Edelman" look pre-snap and go elsewhere with the ball in 2.5 seconds?

The reality is I don't think the Chiefs defense has the horses to do terribly much to stop good offenses who execute well. You can blame Sutton if you like -- and maybe he does suck, I don't pretend to have watched that many Chiefs games -- but it's not like your defense is overloaded with talent so far as i can tell, and it's not like the Patriots haven't done this to plenty of other teams.

Where did I say "overloaded with talent?" The difference between an average defense in the NFL and horrendous is often coaching. A middle of the road defense with that offense is all that is needed.

Chiefshrink 01-22-2019 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 14062366)
Should have.

Reid was running Hill deep to clear out the underneath. It's incredibly effective if the blocking holds up and the other receivers are making plays...but

1) Kelce might as well have been Jake O'Connell yesterday
2) The OL could not hold their blocks long enough for the D to clear out
3) Mahomes held on to the ball too long

Pass blocking improved in the second half which is why Watkins put up so much yardage. However, using Hill horizontally and motioning him creates chaos for the defense and would actually force McCourty up (eventually), which would open up things for all the receivers over the top.

To use a boxing analogy:

Pre-prison Tyson used his jab, footwork, and defense to get inside on his opponent and set up combinations that took their heads off. Post-prison Tyson waded into the pocket and looked for a single bomb. It could still work, but it was much easier to defend, and left him open to far more punishment.

Andy's gameplan was like post-prison Tyson.

Excellent analysis and you are spot on with the boxing analogy.:thumb:

Chiefshrink 01-22-2019 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix (Post 14063179)
Those are pretty advanced techniques, and i'm honestly not sure the Chiefs defense was good enough to do pull that off without creating more problems for themselves than for the Patriots.

And may explain why Sutton resists adjustments a lot of the times because he knows he doesn't have the talent to pull it off.


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