Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 18050190)

No, I don't think Burkholder and staff don't know WTF they are doing. That said, they can't make this guy a success either.

Do you think the Ravens second-guess their decision to take David Ojabo at the 45th pick in 2022, despite his Achilles injury, because he looked to be "healing well?" I bet they do.

You can't turn these terrible injuries into a positive.

Veach plainly said that Burkholder didn't like the idea when he first heard what the injury was. That should at least indicate to you something about his knowledge of the severity. The staff prompted him to evaluate him anyhow, and he gave a positive endorsement that it was healing as good as it could be. That doesn't say anything about Burkholder feeling he was going to be a successful pick. All it means is that Simmons at least has the potential to beat the odds.

Even the most recent of injuries haven't had good outcomes.

The good thing about this year? We get to truly have a great sample of this "modern procedure" as 4 offensive linemen attempt to come back from it: Simmons (age 21), Cole Strange (NE, age 26), D'Ante Smith (CIN, age 26), and Trent Brown (HOU, age 32). LB Nakobe Dean (PHI, age 24) and RB Chris Evans (CIN, age 27) also tore theirs last season. Crazy that the Bengals had 3 guys tear it in one season (Trent Brown tore it with them and signed with Houston for this year).

DE Bradley Chubb (MIA) tore his in 2023 and missed all of 2024. WR Russell Gage (TB) tore his in 2023 during camp and missed the entire year. He ended up cut by Baltimore and spent all of 2024 on the SF PS. WR Jakeem Grant (CLE) tore his in 2023 and missed the year. He tried to come back last year but was twice cut by the Falcons. So far 2/3 are pretty much toast, we get to find out about Chubb this year.

Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 18050190)

Veach plainly said that Burkholder didn't like the idea when he first heard what the injury was. That should at least indicate to you something about his knowledge of the severity. The staff prompted him to evaluate him anyhow, and he gave a positive endorsement that it was healing as good as it could be. That doesn't say anything about Burkholder feeling he was going to be a successful pick.

Originally Posted by SAGA45 (Post 18050604)

For Burkholder to be skeptical initially, given his KNOWLEDGE (that includes data, studies, and other relevant precedents) and, after a thorough examination, sign off on Simmons' knee - which, from all accounts, is far ahead of schedule in terms of healing - should indicate to you that Burkholder and the Chiefs are, at the very minimum, optimistic about his recovery.

Nobody is trying to "turn a bad injury into a positive". But Burkholder, a leading authority in the field, endorsed Simmons' progress. That's enough for me to feel good or at least cautiously optimistic about the pick going forward. That may not be enough for you and others and that's completely understandable. But let's not sit here and present studies, data, etc. and even remotely imply that the Chiefs didn't already do their due diligence. That's bullsh*t.

Originally Posted by Dunerdr (Post 18051129)

And who’s the down vote douche bag?

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 18051137)

Eh - don't worry 'bout it.

You wouldn't know him.

A man's gotta have hobbies...

Originally Posted by SAGA45 (Post 18050604)

For Burkholder to be skeptical initially, given his KNOWLEDGE (that includes data, studies, and other relevant precedents) and, after a thorough examination, sign off on Simmons' knee - which, from all accounts, is far ahead of schedule in terms of healing - should indicate to you that Burkholder and the Chiefs are, at the very minimum, optimistic about his recovery.

Nobody is trying to "turn a bad injury into a positive". But Burkholder, a leading authority in the field, endorsed Simmons' progress. That's enough for me to feel good or at least cautiously optimistic about the pick going forward. That may not be enough for you and others and that's completely understandable. But let's not sit here and present studies, data, etc. and even remotely imply that the Chiefs didn't already do their due diligence. That's bullsh*t.

Originally Posted by Dunerdr (Post 18051129)

We really can’t separate the chiefs don’t know wtf they’re doing from I don’t like the risk? Come one guys. And who’s the down vote douche bag?

Originally Posted by poolboy (Post 18051469)

helpful answers under user CP

Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 18051474)

Thanks, man, appreciated. It was who I suspected it might be after the childish interaction we had earlier this offseason.

Originally Posted by Palangi (Post 18051589)

Since I know it bugs you I’ll continue it with you and your know it ask minions, who think they are some internet doctors that know all.

Originally Posted by poolboy (Post 18051469)

helpful answers under user CP

Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 18051591)

You are, literally, the dumbest son of a bitch I've ever met on this board. That's truly something.