I think that numbers are deceiving.

I watched plenty of RGIII in 2011 and when I watched Smith, I saw nothing remotely similar. RGIII was mobile, smart, sharp, accurate, charismatic and has a gun for an arm.

Smith, while accurate at times, didn't display the same running ability, the same leadership, the same charisma, and so on. That doesn't mean he'll fail in the NFL but it does explain why so many people out there don't project him as an NFL superstar.

Barkley and Smith are opposites in many ways but if they were combines into one singular QB, you'd be looking at a slam dunk #1 overall player. As it stands, there are legitimate questions about both players.

And outside of Luck.....there have always been legitimate questions about any QB taken in the 1st round. Even RGIII had questions.

Anyone that questioned RGIII was an idiot. The guy was a phenomenal talent. I'd have given the entire 2012 draft and a first rounder in 2013 to draft that guy.

But he has blown out his knees several times. Thats a pretty big concern lol

Not anymore. When guys are coming back from ACL tears in less than 9 months, blowing out a knee isn't a big concern.

Look at a guy like Lattimore. It's unbelievable that he's walking, let alone blowing up at his Pro Day.

If this type of science existed back in the 70's, guys like Bert Jones, Joe Namath, O.J. Simpson, etc. would hold every stinkin' record, ever.

Tell that to the redskins....

It was posted here before you came along, but 33% of all Super Bowl wins are enjoyed by a QB drafted #1 overall.

So barely any.

Checking in...

Have we drafted Geno yet?

So, you're telling us that the Redskins are concerned? What, exactly, are they concerned about?

I know what they should be concerned about, and that's the play calling and offensive line.

If they weren't dealt a $36 million cap charge ($18 million per) for "over spending in an uncapped year", they likely would do something their offensive line.

i bet there isn't 1 redskins fan that regrets taking him

Oh no, I love RG3 and im sure they do too. Im saying that the ACL injuries cant be explained as "not a concern" when he just got done tearing it again in a playoff game.

It's a not a concern. This isn't 1977.

Jamaal Charles and Adrian Peterson returned from ACL tears this year, as did the Eric Berry and Tony Moeaki. How did it affect their NFL play?

RGIII is a QB. He needs better protection and better play calling. I can't ever remember an NFL QB having a career ending ACL tear. Furthermore, once an ACL is replaced, it's stronger than the original.

It's a concern if he keeps taking hits while running the football. His body WILL break down over time. And it will breakdown a lot faster than that of a QB who doesn't run as much as he does.

anything from the source?

This isnt the first time he has shredded his ACL though

It doesn't matter.

An ACL is completely replaced with that of a cadaver. It's not repaired, it's replaced.

The biggest issue is rehab but as it's been proven in the past year, ACL's can be rehabbed quickly and efficiently.

Have you still only watched the one game?

(Serious question, not just asking in an effort to be a dick...)

I watched the entire K-State game and the entire Pinstripe Bowl on game day, the Combine and several games on YouTube back in February.

Good.

Back when you were hammering people about him but had only watched the K-State game, it was entertaining but not very convincing...

RG3s problem is the Shannahans used the option way too much and that put their ferrari in the shop.

If I were to try to pinpoint Genos most frustrating weakness, it's that he doesn't run with the ball when he absolutely should.

There were probably 20 times, last year alone, that I yelled at the tv for Geno to take off and run with it because of the coverage and he seemingly refused to.

Geno wants to be a pocket quarterback, not a hybrid.

They can also remove a section of the Patella tendon to use as a ACL replacement. Very interesting: <iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/q96M0jRqn7k" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

If you live in Springfield, you deserve for Flopnuts, luv and I, and anybody else who lives here, to buy you several rounds for all the stuff you've talked about here.

I'm guessing you live elsewhere, but you deserve a few beers, is all I'm saying.

I'd mail him a pie

Absolutely.

Here's what I see with Smith: A solid but not spectacular QB with the arm strength to make all of the throws, but at times he seems hesitant to make throws he should make. He's often inconsistent and didn't deal well with teams that could rush the passer.

Do I think he should go #1 overall? No. Do I think that he could develop into a solid NFL starter, given the "right" situation? Yes. But he's far from a finished project, unlike any of the guys taken in the past three drafts that have become solid starters (and that includes Dalton and Wilson).

I think the toughest thing about evaluating him from watching games and Youtube is that it's difficult to actually know the guy.

He's not charismatic. He does have the droopy eye thing going on. He doesn't appear to be a leader. He just doesn't look the role or act the role. I think that's a problem for a lot of NFL people.

Cadaver replacements are far less common than grafts from the hamstring or patellar tendon of the patient, especially athletes.

We don't have a machine for that yet?


Scientists, get your shit together and build us a QB worthy of Mordor.

That's interesting. I know quite a few guys that have had ACL surgery and all have had replacements, not grafts.

A cursory Google search shows that grafts are dangerous, especially for young athletes, with graft failure at 55% for under 25 athletes.

Very interesting indeed.

I'm sure Dorsey can stare at them both, meld them together, and make a Barkley Smith.

LMAO

It's true though, right? If Smith had Barkley's personality and four years starting experience in the WCO with his numbers, there's no doubt he'd be a slam dunk #1 overall.

Now we're getting somewhere in life, you and I... :)
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If we're able to breed hybrid lions+tigers then there is no reason we can't have our hybrid QB.


Dorsey: "Geno, if you could step into that room that'd be great. We're going to need a semen sample. Matt, you're next."

Great. Another 20+ years before another SB...

There's a gotta be a "speed up the aging process" button on this thing

Jesus. Bet they only have to stick their dick in a hole in the wall too...

Im going thru ACL reconstruction rehab right now. It ****ing sucks. RG3 has an entire medical team and PT specialist up his ass daily, so he'll be fine in the long run. But I tell you, this shit is painful.

Allografts are very common these days with the advances in medicine, but if I remember correctly, they took the graft from RG3. I wondered why because it takes longer to heal, but maybe they didnt want the risk of rejection. Im running that risk right now, hoping to god it doesnt reject.

I think my ACL was a graft as well, but that was like 400 years ago.

That sucks. A neighbor tore his ACL playing basketball and he's 48. He's been on crutches but can at least rehab in his pool.

Good luck with your recovery!

The Chiefs are just trying to draft the best player in this entire draft. They have another month to figure out who it will be. If it's Geno Smith, or maybe someone like Dee Milliner then just take him. Take the guy who'll end up in the HOF. How often does a team pick #1 overall?

Thanks. :)I was off crutches after about a week and half. Wonder why he still is. Rehab is horrible, but so necessary...And Im not that much younger than your friend.

This is his second ACL repair/replacement, so the doctors are being extra cautious.

Aw, gotcha. Yeah, Im only down for one. If I had to have another...PPPHHHUUUCCCKKK! :#

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Thoughts? RT @ProFootballWkly: PFW's top-ranked QBs: 1. Barkley 2. Nassib 3. Manuel 4. Wilson 5. Dysert 6. Geno Smith.


Riiightttt....:doh!:

Sweet, that means we can draft him in the 5th or 6th round.

Only when his opinion matches what someone on here wants to see happen.

Only once a year.

No any other year and Geno is not a first rounder. This QB class is terrible.

the rushing part of RG3's game, is what pushed him up the board. He also landed with a coach that values his mobility as a part of his offense.

I am not necessarily sure what dictates that Geno Smith is not a concensous number one. I after that game where he had more tds than incompletions, thought he was the greatest player in the country. But, when ever he played against tough competition, he didnt look as good. Robert Griffin 3 looked great against ANYONE.....

In the modern era, that percentage is A LOT LOWER. is it not?

So we'll have 2 guys picked at 1x1. Who cares?!

then why not just shut the **** up?
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Kapernick is black?
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Mixed race and yes, African-American.

you should take your own advice and shut up....

So what is the % wise we realistically draft Geno..

50/50

Why? because I asked a legitimate question?

you, on the other hand, write posts saying you have no dog in it, don't care...etc. yet you keep posting telling us how we should feel. Why not just shut up if you don't care?
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How about after Geno lights it up at his workout at Arrowhead and throws the ball to Bowe..

Looks more middle eastern to me...
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His birth mom is caucasian. He was a adopted.

No, Charlize Theron is African American. My daughter, born in the Congo, is African American. If you're born in America, you're not African. (pet peeve)

Yeah, good luck with that one

Of course I questioned him! Injury, dude. It was an obvious concern and it's playing out exactly as I thought it would. If he doesn't change his game significantly, I would be shocked if he's still playing in 5 years.

I should demand to be called a Norwegian American. I mean my grandpa's family immigrated here sometime in the 1800's. :D

FWIW, my buddy who is from Africa hates it when black people here are called African-Americans.

this

FWIW, nobody from Brasil ever called someone that was black "African-American".

Meh.

African American meaning black is so ingrained in society, that though it is technically incorrect, it is what it is.

So on NFL.com its saying Jaguars plan on building around Gabbert and the Raiders have legitimate interest in Matt Flynn.

Geno is ours for the picking.

Nope Charlize would be a white person of whatever heritage born in africa. i bet no one would ever call Rg3 Japanese even though he was born in Japan! African americans are of African decent White Americans are of european decent

Charlize was born and raised in South Africa, which is located on the continent of African, she is African. Robert Griffin III was born on a military base in Japan and his parents were subsequently transferred. Two completely different situations.

Well duh! WE do have the FIRST pick! :doh!:

I mean all signs are pointing in us taking Geno #1.

This was your first post?

****.

Wouldn't the base actually be considered American soil?
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I think that is just wishful thinking on your part (along with a lot of other people here). I don't see any signs that point to anything. I'm not even sure Reid and Dorsey know who they are going to pick yet. They may be leaning one way or another, but if they were certain why would they need to bring Geno in to work out?

If they had decided to pick him there would be no reason to hide it, in fact most teams in that position go ahead and make a deal with the player ahead of the draft. Either they haven't decided yet or they are trying to trade down. It is certainly not a done deal, no matter how much you want to convince yourself it is.

I'm just saying you are setting yourself up for some serious disappointment.

All signs pointed to the Colts taking Luck. Hell he was compared to Peyton Manning. Colts brought him in for a workout. Luck did not sign a deal before the draft.

Its a month before the draft, they aren't going to sign whoever they take this early, no matter who it is.