Whoa, whoa, whoa.

I pegged Rothlisberger as the best QB in the 2004 draft before he taken by Pittsburgh. One of my best friends in Los Angeles has been a lifelong Pittsburgh fan was ecstatic when I told him that in 2004.

Aaron Rodgers slipped because no one believed in Tedford QB's ability to translate in the NFL. He also sat for THREE YEARS, learning from Favre and Mike McCarthy.

Is that what you're suggesting? The Chiefs take a guy at #1, only to sit him for three years?

Andrew Luck got 5 years $22 million last year. $22 million total. New CBA has a rookie slotting scale now. That's why you're going to start seeing QB's fly off the shelf in the top 10 picks.

4 years.

Both Newton and Luck got 4 years 22M.

Again, I think it's too early to speculate when and where and how these guys will test out at The Combines. It wouldn't surprise me, at all, if there was no clear cut number one guy and if that's the case, I could see the Chiefs trading down for picks and possibly moving back up into the bottom half of the first round for "Their" guy.

FTR, I'm not stating that's what I want to happen, nor do I expect it to happen. But with a QB class that at this time has no clear cut "Savior", it's definitely possible, IMO.

I am pretty damn confident Reid will draft a QB at #1.

That whole Q&A thing, "Andy, you're going to a team without a QB WHATEVER WILL YOU DO???"

"Well, they have the #1 overall pick..."

The guy is thinking QB. He was thinking QB all season in Philly, assuming his team would need to draft a new guy. He's going to be thinking QB here.

We're getting a QB at #1. Bank on it.

But conversely, Gabbert, Locker and Ponder all went in the first back in 2011 and none have been even average. Gabbert and Locker have been downright terrible at times. Ponder was called the worst QB in the league by Jimmy Johnson earlier this season.

Thanks for the update. Point is, the pick is a fairly significant financial and symbolic commitment to build a team around. Reid won't take it lightly. He will draft a differene maker or trade down. If his QB isnt out there he won't just take the best QB if he's not deserving of the 1/1.

That doesn't mean it's a great pick or a pick worthy of #1. It's just the usual Chiefs "reach".

Oh, we need a defensive lineman so let's get Freeman and Sims and Downey and Savaii and Dorsey and Jackson.

I don't disagree with anything that you've said, but I firmly believe that the Chiefs must find their starting QB for '13 early in this draft, or it's automatically a lost year.

There is a damn good QB in this draft; there is in pretty much every draft. And the Chiefs must find him.

5M a year is not a significant financial investment. Most of it comes in a signing bonus and you are looking at a 2-3M cap hit.

That's insane. The combine and pro days will help sort out the QBs, but they're not going to affirm them.

This draft isn't the 2000 draft when the only QB taken was Chad Pennington late in the 1st. It's not as good as 2012, either. And I don't think it's as good as 2004, either.

It IS, however, better than 2011, 2010, 2009, 2008, 2007, 2006, and 2005, though.

That's pretty ****ing positive. These QBs are going to ****ing fly off the board. Expect at least 4 gone in the first round, with at least two in the top 10.

I don't expect a 1st rounder to do shit until their 3rd year. I expect some learning curves. Locker is flashing, Gabbert is not doing shit, and I don't know enough about Ponder. Newton, Luck, RGIII, and Wilson may be the new norm, but I think they're the exception. That said, Newton had some struggles this year. We'll see if RGIII, and Luck have some 2nd year slumps of their own.

I'm sure you know what sucks? It's that the Chiefs just had to get the number one overall pick in a year in which an Andrew Luck or RGIII or even Cam Newton and Matt Ryan aren't available.

That is insanely frustrating to me.

I hope you're right. I just hope that QB wouldn't be equivalent to a 3rd rounder (i.e. Foles) or a 4th rounder (Cousins) in previous years.

Dude, the Chiefs were drafting for this mythical "value" you crave when they took Sims and Dorsey. They were absolutely worth those picks. Those guys were thought to be studs, and more than worth top 10 picks.

And when have the Chiefs ever reached for a valuable position?

There's a huge difference between QB and 5-technique DT.

I can't believe you're making this argument.

:rolleyes:

You may be right that they'll fly off the board.

You may be wrong in terms of their quality.

Because he is a dumb motherf**ker:rolleyes:

JD, I'm giving some insight on how Reid approaches his drafts - I've lived them for 14 years. I don't get too much into the $$ value of the slots. Don't care too much about that aspect. What is important is the value of the 1/1 in terms of what it means to the team from a perception and image perspective. Does he maximize the value of a difference maker or trade down to stretch it into multiple high quality players. That is the question as I see it. I dont see a Reid QB on the board this year.

I think you'll see two in the top 5. You could see 5-6 QB's go in the first round. Bare minimum of 4. Smith, Wilson, Glennon, Murray, Bray, and Barkley could all go in the 1st round. If the kid from Clemson declares, who knows? This is a pretty good QB class this year, despite what the pundits say IMO.

Wow, really? Man, not me. I expect the #1 overall QB to start from Day One and kick ****ing ass. If not, I'll be very, very disappointed.

When Andy Dalton, RGIII, Russell Wilson and Andrew Luck can lead their teams to the playoffs their rookie seasons, that's the new norm, IMO.

Personally, I'm sick of the Chiefs choosing guys that take years to develop, if ever.

Shut the **** up.

You know less about football than you do psychology, which is shocking in and of itself, Dumbass.

One of these names is not like the others.

Meh, there are a couple guys in this class that are every bit the prospect Ryan and Cam were.

Smith, Wilson, and Barkley are all good prospects.

I think we all will.

I liked Barkley quite a bit heading into the 2012 season but he definitely reverted. Is he the guy from 2011 or the guy from 2012?

Wilson's team fell apart due to Petrino. There are some minor character questions. As I've said repeatedly, every time I've seen Smith, he was far less than impressive.

Outside of this particular football forum, I can find no general consensus on any of the above players in regards to who is best suited for the NFL, let alone the #1 overall pick.

I hope that The Combines provide more insight and guys to begin to separate but there's no guarantee.

do chiefs fans ever get tired of coming up with reasons to not draft a QB?

jesus...y'all are the biggest collection of pussies imaginable...

"oh noes...i only watched one football game all year and i didn't see joe montana...whatever will we do, pa?"

"draft a mediocre lineman, son....or maybe a linebacker...for reasons not explained in the bible, that's not risky..."

There isn't a viable alternative outside of the draft. Do you want to give up a pick or two for Alex Smith? What is a team really capable of with him at the helm?

I like Barkley alot more than some here, I think peopl here have picked a guy and are fighting for him, which is fine.


I think its gonna be alot about Reid's system. Barkley, Wilson, or Smith fit in it pretty good.


Look at RGIII. He's in the absolute perfect system for his style, same with R. Wilson.

From what I have heard if Chip Kelly lands in Philly then Vick stays because he can run the zone read option and Foles would be on the market because he can't.

You do the math from there.

Not too exciting since its the same pattern we seem to always follow.

fml

Another question I haven't heard an answer to, lets say Reid drafts a QB, who in the draft is most suited to a WC style offense?

LMAO. Sorry, but that would be strike one. ****, might be a two-strike penalty.

Matt Barkley, Aaron Murray, Landry Jones.

There has been a good NFL QB in every draft every year for 15 years with few exceptions. We just have to find that QB.

No shit. It would be new coach, new FO same old shit. If they throw in an old LB as well I may eat a bottle of pills.

I am guessing the new guys will want to do their own thing and get their own guy.

Neither McNabb or Vick were 'suited' to the WC offense with their shitty short range accuracy. Reid worked around that.

He'll adapt the offense to whoever he brings in. That is what I would expect from his background.

Thanks.

Andy Reid probably knows more than me about football, and he was really big as a 13 year-old. However, I probably know more about the Chiefs, and I was a very bright 13 year-old. It's time for the Chiefs franchise to draft a quarterback with a high 1st-round draft choice.

any of them really...the question, imo, is are you maximizing the players talent in that scheme...a big armed QB is probably wasted, even though he could do it

smith, wilson, barkley could easily run a wc offense...the perception is that barkley is most suited (which is also a nice way of saying he has the weakest arm)

:clap: LMAO

Going out on that limb?

Well in all the mock drafts there has been a general consensus on who will go one. Geno Smith.
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Reid was definitely the best we could have done this year. Anyone that thinks not is crazy. Cowher and Gruden are not coaching. Lovie and Ken have had not had the success Andy has. Clark did very good to get this done. Instantly we are relevent again.

Geno Smith, from the perspective of talent, is a better prospect than Matt Ryan, and from the perspective of intelligence and character is a better prospect than Newton.

There have been only 2 or 3 QBs in the last 6 or 7 drafts, outside of Luck, that has a package of talent and intangibles that I like better than Smith.

I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt for now.

I could't think of a better draft class to implement your bright 13 year-old philosophy.

Maybe 2007 would have been a bit better QB class:
RD SEL # PLAYER
1 1 JaMarcus Russell
1 22 Brady Quinn
2 36 Kevin Kolb
2 40 John Beck
2 43 Drew Stanton
3 92 Trent Edwards
5 151 Jeff Rowe
5 174 Troy Smith
6 205 Jordan Palmer
7 217 Tyler Thigpen

or 2002?
1 1 David Carr
1 3 Joey Harrington
1 32 Patrick Ramsey
3 81 Josh McCown
4 108 David Garrard
4 117 Rohan Davey
5 137 Randy Fasani
5 158 Kurt Kittner
5 163 Brandon Doman
5 164 Craig Nall
6 186 J.T. O'Sullivan
7 216 Seth Burford
7 232 Jeff Kelly
7 235 Ronald Curry
7 236 Wes Pate

I haven't seen a year in recent history where there has been less hype for a No. 1 overall QB.
In 2008 Matt Ryan was taken #3 overall. Bottom line, the Chiefs picked a real bad year to have the #1 pick.

I know you're half trolling, but you're being obtuse here.

#1 Tell me you'd rather have Sam Bradford over Geno Smith. I'll call you a moron.

#2 Jamarcus Russell was proclaimed a brilliant #1 overall pick at QB by tons of draft gurus. Kiper ****ing loved that guy

Hey, you're a dog owner now? Congrats. What's his/her name?

Kiper is a product of paying agents. Bradford would be comparable to Geno. Do you think Bradford was more worthy of a #1 overall pick compared to Ryan? It's a weak QB class.

Ryan wasn't well liked on this board. Very stupid in hindsight. But Bradford wasn't highly regarded, either. Probably a slight edge to Ryan in terms of board approval reading.

What do Stafford, Bradford or Ryan have that Geno Smith doesn't?

Small penisis?

An NFL contract?

Not black skin?
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Shit beat me to it. No pun intended.

I've noticed on this forum, you are probably the least positive person here.

Less melatonin.

I'm surprised you didn't ask another question.

I am? I'm out of town, so did my wife bring a dog home or something? And why are you in my home when I'm out of town?

Again with the negative sarcasm.


Catch more flies with honey.


And not shitting on/being negative about every comment on CP.

We're just watching football. Everything is safe, but you'll need to restock your liquor cabinet a bit.

(Points to your avi.)

Melanin

Oh. Yeah, cute doggie. It makes the long walks more fun.

Say hi to my wife for me.

Down to 51 percent. Mount up Horsemen....

REGULATORS
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Bradford played for OK and was injured during his senior season. He was drafted based on his overall collegiate career/ reputation.
Ryan was at BU and was consistent with lower competition.
Geno at WV was less consistent than Ryan but has athletic upside. He's only 12 notches below Robert Griffin III in terms of mental and physical ability but since he resembles RGIII, the Chiefs will waste their No.1 pick on Geno? Not if the Walrus is in town...
SNR's gonna be pissed.

Over his career he was more consistent than Ryan
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You are being a buffoon Gadzooks. I doubt you've even seen him play. Stop listening to the sweet whispers of Kipers toupe.

Ryan's career

49.3 percent 350 yards 2 td 3 int
62.1 1514 8 5
61.7 2942 15 10
50.3 4507 31 19
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Geno
65.3 309 1 1
64.8 2863 24 7
65.8 4385 31 7

71.2 4201 42 6
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Yeah I would say Geno was more consistent
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Like I said, he's a buffoon. Geno is legit and the tape backs up the numbers.

I'll take this as your admission that you've literally never seen Smith play. It's cool. Not everyone has the time or interest to watch a team that he couldn't care less about.

But don't then try to provide analysis.

Where is the "JFC DO NOT VOTE VICK" option?

Exactly

I previously stated "Kiper is a product of paying agents" (this was in regards to Russell).
I've watched 3 Geno games this season and have watched his stats throughout the season. I did the same thing with RGIII last year. My opinion is that Geno is no RGIII and Reid will be unlikely to pick him with the No. 1 pick.

If Geno Smith had thrown 19 INTs as a senior, as Ryan did, he would probably be a 5th round pick among true fan dumbasses.

So I'm wrong when I say Geno is not as good as RGIII?:evil:

lol.

I hope you guys hire Pioli. Dude was the five time Exec. of the ****ing Century.

IMO as a passer they are very close. Geno doesn't bring the running aspect as much. They both have spectacular long balls...