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noa 03-22-2007 05:57 PM

Hey, we also got an offensive rebound. The tides may be turning.

Simply Red 03-22-2007 05:57 PM

wow the ref's are awake now.

Mr. Laz 03-22-2007 05:57 PM

arthur ........ dammit

he needs to play smarter

noa 03-22-2007 05:57 PM

These refs are really going after illegal screens.

noa 03-22-2007 05:58 PM

Dammit Sheron.

Lzen 03-22-2007 05:58 PM

Collins should have just taken that shot.

Simply Red 03-22-2007 05:59 PM

Yes!

Direckshun 03-22-2007 05:59 PM

I think Kansas is barely in control of this game.

Mr. Laz 03-22-2007 05:59 PM

well ...... at least we kept our foul trouble guys on the bench and still have the lead.

noa 03-22-2007 05:59 PM

Gotta tip your hat to SIU. That was a hell of a half. Even if KU loses this game, I'll be happy I watched cause this is what basketball should be about. Good defense, work for your shots, and if you don't crash the boards, you'll pay for it.

Fairplay 03-22-2007 06:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direckshun
I think Kansas is barely in control of this game.



They let it slip away. They are the better team, they have to play like it.

Lzen 03-22-2007 06:01 PM

The good thing is that KU typically makes good adjustments at halftime. SIU is a very tough, physical team. But I think KU will continue to do what they started doing those last few minutes. Hopefully, we will wear them down with our depth.

Mr. Laz 03-22-2007 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direckshun
I think Kansas is barely in control of this game.

just baaaaaarely


we need to pound the middle imo


go big and pound it inside ..... if nothing else it will get SIU in major foul trouble.


Kaun,Arthur,Wright
Collins,Rush

robinson doesn't have the ball well enough ... collins shoots better

ArrowheadHawk 03-22-2007 06:01 PM

we were only up 6 on kentucky at half this team definatly plays better in the second half

Fairplay 03-22-2007 06:02 PM

I agree, attack the middle. Seems to be the weak spot.

Lzen 03-22-2007 06:02 PM

One thing I noticed is that KU was not crashing the offensive boards. WTF? It's like they were trying hard to get back on defense. I didn't think SIU wanted to fast break.

Mr. Laz 03-22-2007 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lzen
The good thing is that KU typically makes good adjustments at halftime. SIU is a very tough, physical team. But I think KU will continue to do what they started doing those last few minutes. Hopefully, we will wear them down with our depth.

disagree .......... but let's hope so

Silock 03-22-2007 06:02 PM

The real question, to me, is can SIU keep up this pressure without getting worn out?

Donger 03-22-2007 06:02 PM

Is there a place online to watch the game?

Crush 03-22-2007 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by noa949
Gotta tip your hat to SIU. That was a hell of a half.



I agree that was some good basketball.

ArrowheadHawk 03-22-2007 06:04 PM

props to SIU defence but ku's defence is just as good its easy to have good numbers on defence when you have the ball on offence 70% of the game

Dr. Johnny Fever 03-22-2007 06:04 PM

SIU is impressive. I guess IF they end up winning I can at least jump on their bandwagon since I live about 100 miles north of their campus.

:)


That said... kill 'em Jayhawks...

Mr. Laz 03-22-2007 06:04 PM

if we pound the middle it might also force SIU to double down ....... that will severely weaken their ball pressure on defense.

Fairplay 03-22-2007 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lzen
One thing I noticed is that KU was not crashing the offensive boards. WTF? It's like they were trying hard to get back on defense. I didn't think SIU wanted to fast break.



I noticed also that KU would put the ball up and start running for the other end. Not very aggressive on rebounds.

Fairplay 03-22-2007 06:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beer me
SIU is impressive. I guess IF they end up winning I can at least jump on their bandwagon since I live about 100 miles north of their campus.



A thousand curses.

Silock 03-22-2007 06:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beer me
SIU is impressive. I guess IF they end up winning I can at least jump on their bandwagon since I live about 100 miles north of their campus.

:)


That said... kill 'em Jayhawks...

WTF? You can't say shit like that right now!

Mr. Laz 03-22-2007 06:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Silock
The real question, to me, is can SIU keep up this pressure without getting worn out?

apparently they have been all year long :shrug:


we'll see

duncan_idaho 03-22-2007 06:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Silock
The real question, to me, is can SIU keep up this pressure without getting worn out?

They've done it every single game. It's what they do.

Lzen 03-22-2007 06:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laz
disagree .......... but let's hope so

Texas(X2) and Kentucky aren't convincing enough for you? I'm not talking about the games where they got a big first half lead and then only played even in the second half. That is a matter of the players losing focus, IMO. Self may not be the greatest coach, but I think he is decent.

ArrowheadHawk 03-22-2007 06:07 PM

i hope we have a good second half, win the second half, win the game

Simply Red 03-22-2007 06:08 PM

Go Law! A.M. looking pretty good.

ArrowheadHawk 03-22-2007 06:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Simply Red
Go Law! A.M. looking pretty good.

memphis is overated

Lzen 03-22-2007 06:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fairplay
I noticed also that KU would put the ball up and start running for the other end. Not very aggressive on rebounds.


Yes, that is exactly what I'm talking about. We should be dominating them on the glass.

Mr. Laz 03-22-2007 06:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lzen
Texas(X2) and Kentucky aren't convincing enough for you? I'm not talking about the games where they got a big first half lead and then only played even in the second half. That is a matter of the players losing focus, IMO. Self may not be the greatest coach, but I think he is decent.

did i say we couldn't beat good teams?

no ... i said i don't think we adjust very much. I think our success in the second half has much to do with our depth as much as any adjustments.

usually our halftime adjustments are pretty much just switching up who defends who. We rarely actually change our gameplan imo.

noa 03-22-2007 06:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lzen
Yes, that is exactly what I'm talking about. We should be dominating them on the glass.


Yep. I think that's the key to the 2nd half. I think we need to stay big just so we can secure the rebounds because SIU has way too many 2nd chances. The problem is that if we have two or three big men on the court at the same time, SIU's defense has a better chance at scoring a steal.

Simply Red 03-22-2007 06:12 PM

Law is/will be in the top 5 picks IMO.

Fairplay 03-22-2007 06:12 PM

Slipping the refs some greenbacks might help the game plan also.

Mr. Laz 03-22-2007 06:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by noa949
Yep. I think that's the key to the 2nd half. I think we need to stay big just so we can secure the rebounds because SIU has way too many 2nd chances. The problem is that if we have two or three big men on the court at the same time, SIU's defense has a better chance at scoring a steal.

agreed ...... that's why i think Collins has to run the point

he is fast enough to do it without much help. Self just needs to tell him to stay under control and be a little more patience.

go big ..... pound it inside early

Lzen 03-22-2007 06:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laz
did i say we couldn't beat good teams?

no ... i said i don't think we adjust very much. I think our success in the second half has much to do with our depth as much as any adjustments.

usually our halftime adjustments are pretty much just switching up who defends who. We rarely actually change our gameplan imo.

Changing who guards who is included in adjustments. And yeah, we may just wear teams down. But do you not think that Self adjusted his team to win both Texas games? And we totally dominated UK in the 2nd half. Sometimes, the strategic adjustments are not very obvious. IMO, the last game that Self did a poor job of coaching was against Texas Tech.

Silock 03-22-2007 06:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho
They've done it every single game. It's what they do.

Against teams the caliber of KU?

Simply Red 03-22-2007 06:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Simply Red
Law is/will be in the top 5 picks IMO.

Similiar to Chris Paul same style/skill etc.

ArrowheadHawk 03-22-2007 06:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Simply Red
Similiar to Chris Paul same style/skill etc.

are you replying to yourself? Are you lonely? :hmmm:

Direckshun 03-22-2007 06:18 PM

KU can break this game open, but it won't be until there are three minutes left in the game or however long it takes all of us to pull our hair out.

Mr. Laz 03-22-2007 06:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lzen
Changing who guards who is included in adjustments. And yeah, we may just wear teams down. But do you not think that Self adjusted his team to win both Texas games? And we totally dominated UK in the 2nd half. Sometimes, the strategic adjustments are not very obvious. IMO, the last game that Self did a poor job of coaching was against Texas Tech.

yes. when Self puts Rush on the others team's best scorer at halftime, it is an adjustment.

hardly dramatic ... and yes, sometimes dramatic isn't needed.

but Self is pretty mediocre when it comes to X's and O's

Good guy, who is a great recruiter, who runs a very good program.

Skip Towne 03-22-2007 06:19 PM

We need to come out of the half smokin' like we have been doing.

noa 03-22-2007 06:20 PM

Alright, here we go. Be cool Kansas, be cool.

duncan_idaho 03-22-2007 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Silock
Against teams the caliber of KU?

You're either in shape to run, trap and pressure teams 30 feet from the basket or you're not. Playing against A-level talent or C-level talent doesn't affect that.

SIU is.

Mr. Laz 03-22-2007 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Silock
Against teams the caliber of KU?

Old Spice Classic
Thu., Nov. 23 vs. Arkansas TV Orlando, Fla. L, 61-53
Fri., Nov. 24 vs. Minnesota TV Orlando, Fla. W, 69-53
Sun., Nov. 26 vs. Virginia Tech TV Orlando, Fla. W, 69-64
Wed., Nov. 29 at Louisiana Tech Ruston, La. W, 50-36
Sat., Dec. 2 vs. Saint Louis Carbondale, Ill. W, 65-56
Sat., Dec. 9 at Western Kentucky TV Bowling Green, Ky. W, 75-70
Sun., Dec. 17 at Indiana TV Bloomington, Ind. L, 57-47
Wed., Dec. 20 vs. Central Michigan Carbondale, Ill. W, 74-61
Sat., Dec. 23 at Saint Mary's Moraga. Calif. W, 66-61
Fri., Dec. 29 at Illinois State Normal, Ill. W, 68-49
Mon., Jan. 1 vs. Wichita State TV Carbondale, Ill. W, 73-68
Thu., Jan. 4 at Drake TV Des Moines, Iowa W, 59-54
Sat., Jan. 6 at Northern Iowa TV Cedar Falls, Iowa L, 66-61
Wed., Jan. 10 at Bradley TV Peoria, Ill. L, 48-46
Sat., Jan. 13 vs. Missouri State Carbondale, Ill. W, 76-56
Mon., Jan. 15 vs. Drake Carbondale, Ill. W, 72-62
Wed., Jan. 17 at Evansville TV Evansville, Ind. L, 75-68
Sat., Jan. 20 at Creighton TV Omaha Neb. W, 58-57
Tue., Jan. 23 vs. Northern Iowa TV Carbondale, Ill. W, 56-54
Sat., Jan. 27 vs. Illinois State Carbondale, Ill. W, 73-62
Wed., Jan. 31 vs. Indiana State Carbondale, Ill. W, 61-48
Sat., Feb. 3 at Wichita State TV Wichita, Kan. W, 54-46
Wed., Feb. 7 vs. Bradley TV Carbondale, Ill. W, 60-50
Sat., Feb. 10 vs. Creighton TV Carbondale, Ill. W, 72-68
Tue., Feb. 13 at Missouri State TV Springfield, Mo. W, 51-47
Sat., Feb. 17 at Butler TV Indianapolis, Ind. W, 68-64
Wed., Feb. 21 at Indiana State TV Terre Haute, Ind. W, 58-50
Sat., Feb. 24 vs. Evansville TV Carbondale, Ill. W, 76-69
State Farm Missouri Valley Conference Tournament
Fri., Mar. 2 vs. Drake TV St. Louis, Mo. W, 71-59
Sat., Mar. 3 vs. Bradley TV St. Louis, Mo. W, 53-51
Sun., Mar. 4 vs. Creighton TV St. Louis, Mo. L, 67-61
NCAA Tournament
Fri., Mar. 16 vs. Holy Cross (1st Round) TV Columbus, Ohio W, 61-51
Sun., Mar. 18 vs. Virginia Tech (2nd Round) TV Columbus, Ohio W, 63-48
Thu., Mar. 22 vs. Kansas (Sweet 16) TV San Jose, Calif. 6:10 p.m. CT

Mr. Laz 03-22-2007 06:21 PM

same lineup to start the second half

Crush 03-22-2007 06:22 PM

Ugh

noa 03-22-2007 06:22 PM

good take Russell, too bad it didn't fall.

Silock 03-22-2007 06:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho
You're either in shape to run, trap and pressure teams 30 feet from the basket or you're not. Playing against A-level talent or C-level talent doesn't affect that.

SIU is.

But it matters if the other team is deep enough to constantly sub in fresh guys. I'm not making a judgment here, just asking a question.

Simply Red 03-22-2007 06:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArrowheadHawk
are you replying to yourself? Are you lonely? :hmmm:


Yes and Yes. BITCH! :)

Crush 03-22-2007 06:23 PM

This is not the way to start. :banghead:

Lzen 03-22-2007 06:24 PM

Ok, WTF is this?

Mr. Laz 03-22-2007 06:24 PM

chalmers is bringing the ball up the court more ........ 1 adjustment.

noa 03-22-2007 06:24 PM

I'm actually kind of glad the half started that way. Light a fire under our feet. We need to play with energy. We look lethargic out there. Julian Wright's defense on that transition layup was pathetic.

Skip Towne 03-22-2007 06:25 PM

Take it inside boys. We are playing their game.

noa 03-22-2007 06:26 PM

Also, I have no problem with Robinson missing those two shots. They were good looks, and he couldn't get them to fall, but those were the shots you want against that defense. We can't stay cold that long. Someone will step it up.

duncan_idaho 03-22-2007 06:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Silock
But it matters if the other team is deep enough to constantly sub in fresh guys. I'm not making a judgment here, just asking a question.

Maybe if it's an up-and-down game. Games in the 50s-60s aren't going to wear down a team down like that. At least not on the wing... if kU starts pounding it inside to the block, it might start to take a toll.

Of course, so far they've shown little inclination towards that strategy...

CoMoChief 03-22-2007 06:26 PM

im at work and cant watch this. AHHHHH!!!!

Lzen 03-22-2007 06:27 PM

Where is the backscreen lob?

Hootie 03-22-2007 06:28 PM

KU is playing really well.

Mr. Laz 03-22-2007 06:28 PM

we are getting beat on the boards because we have nobody under the basket.

we basically run a 4 guard offense

robinson,chalmers,rush and even wright play like guards.

Kaun is out setting screens .... that leaves nobody under the basket.

Mr. Laz 03-22-2007 06:30 PM

another 3 .....


33-27 SIU

noa 03-22-2007 06:30 PM

Another 2nd chance score by SIU. If Kansas loses, they need to look no further than their rebounding woes.

Silock 03-22-2007 06:30 PM

This game sucks.

Ultra Peanut 03-22-2007 06:30 PM

Okay, I haven't been watching (obviously), but is it safe to assume from the score that Sillynoise is making you guys play a grinding game of boreball?

Lzen 03-22-2007 06:30 PM

Bout damn time we got the ball downcourt quickly.

Mr. Laz 03-22-2007 06:30 PM

kaun out ...... arthur in

Simply Red 03-22-2007 06:30 PM

They are downright getting embarrassed.

thank god Arthur scored!

Mr. Laz 03-22-2007 06:31 PM

holding foul on arthur :shake:

Crush 03-22-2007 06:31 PM

We need to get our act together and fast.

Silock 03-22-2007 06:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ultra Peanut
Okay, I haven't been watching (obviously), but is it safe to assume from the score that Sillynoise is making you guys play a grinding game of boreball?

KU hasn't gotten a lot of fast breaks, but they aren't getting any rebounds, which is where their transition game starts.

Mr. Laz 03-22-2007 06:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ultra Peanut
Okay, I haven't been watching (obviously), but is it safe to assume from the score that Sillynoise is making you guys play a grinding game of boreball?

yes ..... they are putting big pressure on the ball

our guards haven't handled it very well

Lzen 03-22-2007 06:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ultra Peanut
Okay, I haven't been watching (obviously), but is it safe to assume from the score that Sillynoise is making you guys play a grinding game of boreball?

Yep. Early on, KU was forcing their game. Then SIU made it their pace. KU should be able to force the pace but they are not. They should dribble penetrate more than they are.

noa 03-22-2007 06:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ultra Peanut
Okay, I haven't been watching (obviously), but is it safe to assume from the score that Sillynoise is making you guys play a grinding game of boreball?


SIU has 17 rebounds and Kansas has 11 rebounds. IMO, that's the difference in the game right now. If Kansas secured the rebounds on defense, they would be in the lead.

Mr. Laz 03-22-2007 06:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by noa949
SIU has 17 rebounds and Kansas has 11 rebounds. IMO, that's the difference in the game right now. If Kansas secured the rebounds on defense, they would be in the lead.

more size on the court would help

Crush 03-22-2007 06:35 PM

Hey is that a rebound?!

Crush 03-22-2007 06:36 PM

RUSH


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