Sure, and I agree with you on the other things that does factor into development. Like the timing for QB's with receivers. That's important. Timing for offensive linemen to work together on their plays. That's important too. Timing is everything, and they do work on it during practices and other various things (Film, playbooks, etc)

But during game time, timing could be disrupted because in practice, most teams tend to go half-speed to not risk of a injury, with a occasional full speed practice. Plus, you are facing different type of players week in and week out. Preperations are different during week in and week out. etc.

I disagree GoBoy .. yes Thiggy didn't have a good second half ... but you can't let a team score two touchdowns in the last five minutes ... that was on the defense and that is what cost us the game ...

Shit, could you imagine if we had a half decent Oline.

Well, we do have a half-decent line, on the left side. It's the right side that's the problem.

They still suck ass overall though. We cant get any real running game from them. More often then not, there is a defender behind the LOS by the time our RB even gets the ball. Thats a HUGE problem. We dont get any push. That run to the outside by LJ where everyone was moaning about LJ sucking. Look at where Macnsuck took on his blocker, 2-3 yards behind the line on a ****ing run. lol

Hell, keep the shitty OL and give us an average defense.

7 of our losses have been by a combined total of 33 points.

Agreed, but offense certainly didn't help today. What was it? Three first downs in the second half? Compared to 18 in the first half?

But how much of this can be linked to conseritive playcalling? What I saw in the 2nd half, was nowhere near the level in the first half.

Definitely had better decisions made in the first half. Not sure if conservatism was the major problem, though.

Remember before this season started, and almost universally, people said that if Croyle threw for 2500 yards and had a 1/1 TD/INT ratio, they'd be satisfied?

Thigpen's going to do it in ELEVEN STARTS.

Yet people are busting his balls.

Brilliant.

He hooked it because he nailed it.

I was not aware of that. I was aware that Tyler's TD/INT ratio was pretty decent.

Do you have a link where some of those people alledgely said those comments towards Brokie Croyle?

we definately need to fix the Dline, but we are so far under the cap, we can help the Oline as well.

Did anyone actually think they'd be running a bunch of gimmick sets that involve 95% of the game being played from shotgun?

well, it was a 50 yarder. He's not the strongest legged kicker, so hey, he tried. lol

I can't find the thread.

There was an expectations thread started in the PS, and almost universally, people said they'd be happy with a young QB hitting those benchmarks.

FWIW, Thigpen should hit the yardage, or at least get close. (He's just over 2k with 2 to play) And he's well above the 1/1 ratio, even with that horrendous game in Atlanta.

It's just like golf. Your longest shots, or kicks, will always draw.

Who gives a shit? The facts are there. If fans set a benchmarks for a 3rd rounder made out of glass, with a very piss poor offense who couldn't score at all, and all of a sudden the 7th rounder, and a offense that is barely more respectable is about to surpass the benchmark?

I got a tip for you. Quit using the gimmick offense as an excuse, because evidence shows that in the first half, opponents had a hell of a time stopping it.

You wanna know something? What's been stopping our "gimmick" offense after halftime? Three ****ing words.

Herman.

****ing.

Edwards.

It does matter, when people made those projections they thought the Chiefs would be a running team, obviously your stat projections change when you throw it all the time.

Look I don't hate Tyler Thigpen but lets be realistic here you aren't going to be a successful team running this offense.

Gee, I guess scoring 14 points by halftime isn't considered successful, when you consider in the fact that this is coached by a Herman ****ing Edwards football team?

If there was an comptent coach on the sideline, the results would have been very much different, and the Chiefs wouldn't be 2-12 right now.

Oh, and I am being realistic, thank you very much. :D

I'd like you to show me another team in the league that thinks running the pistol is a good idea...

You aren't going to win anything meaningful doing this, now it keeps them from getting blown out. Unless Tyler Thigpen can learn to play in pro sets he's not going to be the guy because this is a real problem.

We played not to lose. At least our guys know they can win a half of football. WE just need to start winning 2 halfs. The talent is there. I think we turn the corner next year, like Miami did this year.

So we're going to go sign a bunch of vet players?

Also have you seen the schedule next year?

Well, maybe it's just a radical innovation that many people aren't wanting to accept it. I wanted the coaching staff to have Brodie play in the shotgun formation for the most part, and start flinging that damn thing down the field. But after seeing him that he was made out of glass, I could understand why they were not too keen on wanting him to do that, considering that he also holds on the ball too long, and that also would explain why the high numbers of dumpoffs to the RB's.

OnTheWarpath58 has mentioned many times that LJ's YPC has improved by running this formation, and it is his highest since '05. The problem here is how the coaches are handling it. Last week, it was 3 carries in the 2nd half for Larry. This week, it was ultra conseritive playcalling. Larry didn't get his 25 carries. If you give it to Larry 25 times, more often than not, he'll give you 100 yards.

If you have taped this game, I would encourage you to watch it again, and compare the playcalling/mode in the first half to the 2nd half. Many people at the game, and on the board here strongly believed that the Chiefs were in attack mode in the first half, and in the 2nd half, they get conseritive. Why? I mean, you're 2-12. What the hell do you have to lose anyways by staying aggressive anyways?

You aren't going to run 25 times out of that set, if the other team plays run out of it he's going to have a hard time gaining yards...

It's great as a piece of an offense, as the offense not so much.

I dont know why people argue with Mecca back and forth. He's right and everyone else is wrong. He's to stubborn.


You can win meaningful games with this offense if your defense is good enough. The defense is crap. Imagine if we had a Pitt or Ravens D? shit.

Felix Jones led the league in YPC before his injury, therefore he should have 25 touches a game.

This is not the big ****ing 12 ok it's the NFL, you are not going to spread out your opponent and take advantage of something it doesn't work that way.

I'm not telling you I'm right you're wrong but look man common sense, if you were going to run the ball because you had a lead would you do it from the shotgun?

I still think Thigpen is the QBOTF, just give him some time, I mean after all this is basically almost like his rookie year, and he wanted to play RB in college when they made him a QB, so give him time, he is still learning the position, he'll get better with experience, I mean hell its not like they are going to the super bowl next year anyways, we are not quite there yet, but the team is making progress.

Patience is a virtue. But your frustrations are just like mine. I dont like seeing this team losing, but we have done for as a team with Tyler then we did with Brodie. Just give it time it dont all just happen over night.

I'm pretty sure Roy thinks whoever lines up under center is the QB of the future.

What was so conservative about the playcalling in the second half? What were they doing that was so different from the first half? It was was so conservative that we have players like Hali calling out the coaches for throwing the ball too much instead of running the clock out.

I dont mean to pile this all on you, but I cant understand how so many people here can watch the team execute the same types of plays in the second half and end up completely convinced that somehow they are seeing a different offense.

When throws arent as accurate, the offense doesnt look the same. When key catches arent pulled in, the offense doesnt look the same. When runs dont gain as much yards, the offense doesnt look the same. There is no great mystery to it.

Now you're just picking low-hanging fruit.

This guy is pretty decent at long kicks (at least this year).

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/5447

Why in the world would anyone pay to read this garbage on WPI?
we get to read all of his dumb shit here for free, and it still gives me the $h*t$
Claythan you're a J@ck@$$

You're an immature jackass.

In a word.... NO

Most golfers couldn't hit a draw if their life depended on it.

I don't think that we do it a lot, but we did it went the offense was under Saunders often. I specifically remember the Philly game in 04 and Green was basically ordered to throw a quick slant to Kennison. Naturally, it got picked off for 6. Green made mention after the game that he had to throw the ball to Kennison even though EVERYONE knew that it was coming.

dooby dooby doooooooooooooooooo

Happy now...?