I don't see this at all. Hell, go take a look at that Ravens team you were talking about for comparison.

Someone had to find the parts.... BB was too busy coaching. Draft is a big part..... but being able to fill in holes through FA is also.... the way NE does it ...wins championships.... the other " good drafters" doesnt... what is the criteria we are grading teams on? IMO.... winning championships trumps good drafting..... but I might be alone in that... Out of those great drafting teams.... who is the dynasty of the 2000's?

The team with Brady.

In more recent history the Giants have drafted better....I think it's comparable of you go back some years.

Justin Tuck a 2nd round pick..Umenyiora a 2nd rounder...the Giants are today a very good draft team.

Bottom line is it doesn't matter how you build your team, if you don't find the QB to run things, you could well be on the outside looking in when it comes to championships.

I'd rather have the the Ravens and Steelers units than the Patriots, overall, except that the Patriots have Tom Brady.

The Steelers now have a franchise QB who is coming into his own in Ben Reothlisberger, and they have two championships this decade, trailing the Pats by a single championship.

The Ravens, even while having superior takent on defense, good O-Line play and RBs, have been trotting out scrub QBs for most of the decade and the result has been a single Lombardi back in 2000.

The difference this decade has been a 6th round pick who they had to be talked into drafting by the QB coach.

I don't like the Ravens Offense at all. Especially since Ogden is gone. If Flacco has it, there is a different story.

Steelers I agree have a good team. They have mismanaged their Oline some, but Roethisberger did well with it. Testament to Big Ben.

Earlier in the decade, the Ravens O-Line was one of the best.

But Big Ben is the perfect illustration of what I'm talking about.

It all starts at the QB position.

At the risk of being redundant, I'll repeat what I've said many times.

Give me franchise QB and a top ten defense, and I'll take my chances against the rest of the league.

This.....Times 1000!

OMG the Jets will not have a winning record with Sanchez starting all season you are a ****ing moron.

As far as the best drafting teams..........

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft0...ohn&id=3252721

Pats #1 here but not exactly science.

Forbes used a more "scientific" approach by going who is still on the roster, who made pro bowls, etc.

http://www.forbes.com/2009/04/08/nfl...hisspeed=25000

If you put any stock into that then the Pats and Steelers suck and the Houston Texans are #1 and Denver is fifth. Which is just downright laughable. So the two teams that have the most Super Bowls over the last 10 years are the worst drafters and the teams that are best at drafting look like $hit. Makes total sense. :rolleyes:

I don't think there is any 'scientific' way to say who is the best drafting team. Pioli and BB seemed to do a pretty good job of hitting on their first rounders and that to me is far more important than anything else in the draft personally. That's the guy you invest the most in and expect to be NFL ready as soon as possible. Same for the Steelers, and not by coincidence they have the most rings over the last 10 years.

HOLY SHIT SOMEONE HAS ACTUALLY WATCHED THE GAMES

Well. this thread has wandered, hasn't it.

As far as disruptive players go (e.g. TO, Randy Moss), it's in the same category as hard-ass coaches (e.g. Parcells, Belichick, Coughlin, and your new main man): winning cures all ills. If a team wins, the headcases and hardasses are not an issue. If a team loses, they become an issue. TO is a selfish, douchebaggous, cancerous, blah blah blah, and yet the guy was hobbled and almost won the SB for the Eagles against the Pats. Moss takes plays off, is lazy, yada yada yada, yet combined with Brady to tear up the record books in '07.

As far as the Pats drafting goes, they've been fairly average-to-bad. But they make up for it with some late-round gems, and solid FA acquisitions. So it balances out.

And, as far as Dirty Sanchez goes, again, get back to me when he's played an NFL game.

:spock:

Umenyiora was drafted in 2003. William Joseph was the first round pick that season.

The Jets will go 500 at the very least. If you can not see that, then it is YOU who are the ****ing moron, and that is that.

I get updates on that team daily, I know what's going on. You......are just running your ****ing mouth. Asshat.

Ummm.... ".500 at the very least"? Methinks not. New head coach + new rookie QB + tough AFC East = difficulties.

Buffalo will be improved this season. Miami won't match last year's 11-5 but will be pesky as usual. Pats, Brady back, 'nuf said.

Not sure where there are 8 or more wins in that schedule. Even if they managed to split with the Pats, Fins, and Bills, aside from Cincy I don't see a gimme. The Texans, Saints, Raiders, and Bucs are all away games, which will make them tougher than they look. They also go on the road to Indy (fun). At home they get the Jags, Panthers, Falcons, and Titans: the first three are pesky, the last one only went 13-3 last year.

I think the best the Jets end up is 6-10, around the same as Buffalo, with Miami probably 8-8ish.

Uh, yes.

Do you really think the Giants are a bad drafting team?

The basic issue was about the Patriots and their drafting. You held up the Giants as being better. The Giants don't have to be 'bad' in order to be less successful than the Patriots. As I noted, I've got the Patriots in the top 5.

Your post/example was a poor one, that's all.

And you're a ****ing imbecile. A rookie head coach with a rookie quarterback playing in the division with the Pats, Bills, and Phins? **** you. Have you even looked at their schedule? They will be lucky to have 2 wins by the halfway mark.

Maybe it's time you get Sanchez nuts off your chin and head out of your own ass and find some oxygen so you can think straight.

The Dolphins are going to regress this year. I put that down as a lock.

They'll be under .500.

You are wrong.


And a dumb ass.

I see over on ESPN.com where Sanchez gets the start this week for the Jets.

You are correct. Jets/Ravens; now we're gonna' find out how this kid handles a legitimate pass-rush. Should make for some exciting football.

Don't know about under, but they'll be right around there. Definitely won't make 11-5 again.

I think the East will probably go:

Pats 13-3
Fins 8-8
Jets 6-10
Bills 6-10

+/- a game here or there, but pretty much. No wildcards from the East this season.

I think the Bills will actually be in wildcard contention early and will finish around 8-8/9-7.

Dolphins will be 6-10, at best, IMO.

And while we're on the subject; I would much rather talk about Sanchez and the Jets as an alternative conversation on this board than endure another 500 topics about the Patriots and the "Patriot ****ing Way".

When all of these fawning little puppies of Pioli's who just couldn't bear to see ol' Cue Ball leave the Good Ship Belicrap for KC decided to follow him over and enlighten us poor, dumb Chiefs fans about all things New England, it was informative and even entertaining for the first 3 to 4 months.

Now? It's just old, and no one gives a shit anymore.

Why should anyone give a shit about the Jets or Mark Sanchez? Talk about old...

Interesting. I've been here since May, and I haven't seen a single Patriots fan display the characteristics you so nicely generalize. (The only other Patriots fan I've seen is Amnorix.) So I'm not sure where your vitriol is coming from, unless all those Patriots fans already wandered off. You might've gotten a lot of pink-hatters at first, but most intelligent people know how to weed out the trolls from the few smart enemy posters.

In fact, I'm not really sure I've ever seen ANY Patriots fan, anywhere, who was a "fawning little puppy" about "ol' Cueball". Frankly, most Patriots fans feel pretty secure about the "Good Ship Belicrap" as long as the head coach, owner, and quarterback are in place. (Not sure I've heard many Patriots fans categorize Chiefs fans as "poor" or "dumb" either, although your fellow Chiefs fans might have a word to say with you about calling them that.)

I believe Just Passin By is a Pats fan too, but that's it as far as I know.

We're going to find out if I am wrong. And I'm not wrong very often. But the dumbassedness is all you shitbird.

Now you can go back to your Sanchez nutsack gurgling.

And this is why you're a complete ****tard. This is a Chiefs board. Who gives a rats ass flying **** about Sanchez besides you and the other poster with two reeruned fathers aka Mecca? My word boy you need a foot broken off in your ass something badly.

ROFL

It's good to know when I'm always on someones mind.

Are you gonna go internet badass on him and give him the ass kicking he sorely needs? I mean I'm sure he's frightened you know being that you are in the JUCO hall of fame and know all styles of MMA like the back of your hand.

I am, and if ROR doesn't like that this thread is talking Patriots and the Patriots drafting, he can take it up with the Chiefs fans who started mentioning them in this thread. Or he can just realize that the Chiefs signed the former Patriots GM, got their starting QB from the Patriots, and got one of their apparent defensive captains from the Patriots, meaning that the Patriots points and allusions will be around for a while, and help himself to a hearty bowl of shut the **** up.

Aye-aye, Capn' Dumbass! :thumb:

I don't think anyone is going to say the Patriots are a bad drafting team, their recent draft history is a little less spectacular than if you count going back 10 years.

And when I say the Giants are up there that's more recent as in when they changed general managers.

Listen up, "Just Fisting My Sheep"; **** the New England Patriots, and **** you too.

I'd tell you to blow me if I wasn't afraid that you'd take me up on it, so instead I'll just tell you to go play with yourself.

That's fine, but you claimed the Giants were better at drafting than the Patriots, and you pointed to a year where William Joseph was the #1 pick. As I said, bad example. I don't agree with you on the Giants but, even if I did, I'd never suggest you use that year as an argument in favor of NY. It's not even that it was a terrible year for the Giants drafting or anything, but when the first rounder busts as bad as Joseph did....

raised on riots is a dumbass and embarrassment to the planet....you're wasting your time trying to glean anything from his prepubescent ramblings...


we're all just waiting for him to off himself

Not a great example other than Umenyiora was a great 2nd rounder...I think their drafts have been pretty good from 2004-present.

IN 2005 they had a lack of picks from the Manning trade and still had a very impressive haul.

I've got no problem with this, and it's one of the reasons that the Giants have become a team to be reckoned with.

I thought the Giants had the best draft of any team this year, but we'll see if that holds true when the players play.

No. The "Patriot Way" pertains to the Chiefs still; Sanchez does not in any way, shape or form.

Starting threads about Sanchez is just about as interesting and important to us as threads about Matt Stafford and Matt Ryan would be.

This one's for Mecca.

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Not this shit again...

That is one helluva throw.

The most impressive part isn't the throw. Rookie quarterbacks aren't supposed to be manipulating safeties.

He does seem to pump fake a lot. It will be interesting to see how long that lasts...

God those Jets sure are morons.

Nah man, he's got a shitty arm remember?

Not enough experience.

Ya'll can crown Sanchez the pre-season champ. Raised On Riots needs a victory.

Lots of young QBs look great in the preseason. The key is how he looks when defenses start throwing complicated defenses and blitzes at him.

ROFL Please!

You're the Todd Haley of Chiefsplanet. You needed a win!

ROFL I'll just borrow one one of his.

Anyone care to jump ship to the Sanchez bandwagon?

It isnt going to change the past, present or future? So what purpose does it serve?

He's off to a great start this year.

43-68, 527, 4/3, 87.7

And 2-0

Just me but I wouldn't touch Sanchez with a ten foot pole. He's nothing special just a game manager like Flacco.

Flacco is way better than Sanchez.

But he's still a game manager. I'll pass.

This. If we had a defense like the jets.

Sanchez is better than Cassel. BUt they'd stick with him for a couple more years before moving on. Cassel's exit is now. Surely it's now. It's got to be soon

With guys like Luck, Moore and Foles out there... I cant see them staying with Cassel after this year...

I could be wrong though...

Sanchez is better than Cassel, but he's not who I want in a QB either. Of the up and coming QBs the ones I would want are Ryan, Bradford, and Stafford.

Tell em Captain!!!!!!!!!!!! :) You ARE right they are wrong...........

This year
http://www.nfl.com/stats/headtohead?...elect+a+Player...

Flacco - Postseason
http://www.pro-football-reference.co.../gamelog/post/

Sanchez - Postseason
http://www.pro-football-reference.co.../gamelog/post/

Luck > Sanchez

It should have been Freeman over Sanchez.

It should have been Mallett this past year.

Even if Sanchez and Cassel end up being equally as bad as each other, Sanchez should have been taken because at least the organization would have taken a good shot.

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/73...ush_medium.gif

Dude was awful.

We ****ed up getting Cassel, but I'm thinking we'd be no better off with Sanchez.

Pretty much. However, even knowing what we know about both, I'd take Sanchez. There is still time for him.

To me this is why I prefer having Cassel over Sanchez. Keeps us from hoping with Matt because we know he is at his ceiling. Sanchez isn't going to get much better and it saves us years of waiting by having Cassel. Well hopefully thats how the FO will see it at seasons end.

His time is running a little thin if you ask me.

Well now that he doesn't have an elite run game and defense protecting him he is going to be more and more exposed.

Sanchez is dreadful. He is too erratic and has zero poise. He hasn't really shown any flashes so its not like the Jets are stuck with him like the Bears are with Cutler.

The Jets are not going to give up on Sanchez. He will be there this year and next, minimum. He doesn't get enough heat here and when he does, the youth is brought up. Brunnel is behind him and there aren't even whispers in the fan base, let alone the FO, about him. I would put money on him being a starter for the Jets in 2013 and even 2014 if I got decent odds.

Yeah I think he starts there until his contract is up.

USC Just churns out failure quarterbacks. I blame west coast bias media

Really interesting read.