Are you aware of how big Mays is?

yeah is about the same size as Pollard only a littler taller

If you have any other video of him wrapping up and tackling guys I would be willing to re-evaluate my position but in that video he was just throwing his shoulders into everybody and going for kill shots.

Uh no, he is significantly larger than Pollard.

Pollard is 6'1" 224 lbs and Mays is 6'3" 235 lbs. I wouldn't say he is "significantly larger." Like Dirk said, he is a couple inches taller. That gives him the extra 10 lbs.

If only Pollard could run like that or have that timing...I thought Pollard dropped a bunch of weight and was like 210 or 215 now...

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Mays 6-3 230
Pollard 6-1 224

Uh yeah huge difference there.

I did see Mays runs around a 4.3 40 which is very good for his size

DL would make no sense. I guess a case could me made for a NT like Cody. Right now, before the season starts, I would take Berry over Mays. Mays is obviously the better physical specimen, but there is something to be said about Berry's playmaking abilities. In a perfect world though I would prefer a stud pass rushing LB that reminds me think of DT. I don't think I have seen one of those coming out of this draft yet.

IMO winning football boiled down to its most simple formula is: keep your QB upright and knock down the other team's QB. Pass rusher round 1 and at least one O lineman round two.

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That has some different ones in it..

I love how Mecca is just completely wrong about something, and he immediately moves the goalposts to "well if he could run like him..."

No offense here or anything but I thought Pollard was 6' 215, this huge deal was made last year about how he lost weight.

And anyway Mays is going to be put in a role to answer the questions about him being a playmaker.

So the questions can be answered on the field, he's already shown he's a huge hitter and a great cover 1 safety.

Both nfl.com and espn have him listed at 224.

Even a lighter Pollard, still can't tackle. You have to tackle someone to be able to crush their bones. But that is what happens when you get a guy as fast as Sammy Knight but is 22 years old. I always wondered why everybody thought Pollard was so awesome his rookie year when he was blocking punts on special teams. Like that has anything to do with playing Safety.

Has a safety ever been drafted top 3?

i have an idea...lets trade pollard and page to the rams for their first and we get BOTH of em?

In those 2 videos I saw 1 tackle where he actually wrapped someone up. It just looks like he goes for the kill shot every time and uses his shoulders.

That is not going to work in the NFL but he definitely is a big guy.

I see where people compare Mays to someone like Adrian Wilson while Berry is often compared to Ed Reed. I would rather have Reed than Wilson. Just my .02 cents

He's faster than Wilson though...

And this will be his first year playing SS with always be a FS before, I think Mays is somewhat comparable to Brian Dawkins.

I don't think those videos show him wrapping up because well it's a highlight video...when he goes for hits he doesn't miss, this from me a guy who watches all the games.

Has a safety ever been drafted in the top 3?

Yeah I read where he asked Carrol to change his role up to compete with Berry so I will be anxious to see how well he does.

That's a good question...I should go look it up..

Sean Taylor went I believe 5th.

Eric Turner went #2 overall in 1991.

So, how is this different than this year, when all we heard about was positional value? Is all that out the window and now we are back to BPA like 2 years ago?

It's hard to keep up with this, I guess it just depends on who you want us to draft that year.

Since there's not a QB you want next year, we should just throw positional value out the window and draft a safety?

You beat me I was just about to post..

The highest pick used on a safety since the 1970 merger was No. 2 overall in 1991, when Cleveland took Eric Turner.

Position value is a factor mixed with talent ability etc etc etc.

I think you make exceptions for freak players. 99 times out of 100 I'd tell you not to take a safety with a top 10 pick but there are 2 guys that warrant it this year.

There are a few exceptions every year just so happens this year they are both at the same position.

Who were the exceptions this year?

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=090...s&confirm=true

There's an article written on the safeties of this year, the seniors anyway. I also really like Kam Chancellor for what that's worth.

1. Taylor Mays

College: USC
Height/Weight: 6-foot-3, 236

Mays, a four-year player, has started 38 games at free safety. His dad, Stafford, was drafted in the ninth round in 1980 and played nine years and 119 games in the NFL. Taylor is a two-time sprint champion (100 and 200 meters) in the state of Washington. This is a driver player, who has speed, range and athletic ability. He reminds you of former Giants linebacker Brad Van Pelt, who played safety at Michigan State. He lines up 15 yards deep on most plays. Mays will be a first-round pick and play a long time.

Outside of our first pick we should pick OL just like we should have this year

I would take Berry high because I think he is a special player. I don't know enough about who else is coming out to say who would be worthy.

Aaron Curry ended up being one, not that I think he should have been but that's personal opinion.

There's also a decent chance Malcolm Jenkins will end up as a FS within a few years which would make him one too.

I can give you a bunch of prospects how many do you want me to roll through? I can do some kind of list of who's likely going in the top 10 whatever.

With the #1 pick of the NFL Draft. The Kansas City Chiefs select - Darrell Stuckey. LOL

I agree, Aaron Curry was an exception.

So, I would expect the same people who campaigned against him because of positional value this year to be campaigning against drafting a safety that high next year.

I disagree about Jenkins though. I don't think he is an elite talent.

Probably a 2nd rounder...but hey who knows.

But what if you think the 2 safeties are more gifted than Curry as players, which I personally do?

If you put the 3 together Curry would be my last choice.

Sure whenever you have time. I know we will be in the Top 3 so you might put in your Top 10 just in case we get lucky and win a couple of extra games.

To verify either one would be fine with me, I think both Mays and Berry will have very long productive NFL careers where they get named to numerous all pro teams and all of that.

They're 1a and 1b. I don't see major pressing need with the other elite players that will be available.

Then that's your opinion. But I don't know how that opinion is any less dumb than anyone's opinion that thought we should take Curry this year. Those people were all called idiots who didn't understand positional value.

I guess anyone that wants us to draft a safety in the top 3 next year just doesn't understand positional value.

There was little debate about Curry the player this year. All the debate was about taking a non pass-rushing LB that high.

You think we're set at NT?

a top OL will emerge and we should draft him.

Mecca Kiper Jr. You gotta slick your long hair back. Submit a video to ESPN. You are golden.

I'm gonna do it right now off the top of my head...this has nothing to do with personal like or dislike just guys I think are going high based on how the NFL works.

Sam Bradford
Russell Okung
Taylor Mays
Eric Berry
Carlos Dunlap
Gerald McCoy
Ndamukong Suh
Trent Williams
Damian Williams
Arrellious Benn
Dez Bryant
Jermaine Gresham
Bryan Bulaga
Greg Hardy
Sergio Kindle
Terrence Cody

There's a good list of some top prospects...who would you take?

We will need a new QB to replace the one that will be killed behind our swiss cheese OL

I wouldn't take Terrence Cody with a top 5 pick, top 15 pick yea top 5 no.

It wasn't that he was a LB, it was that he's not a playmaker, a rush backer, which you allude to at the end. This was the entire point of the discussion, not an ancillary part.

Now, we'll have to see what Mays does this season, but it's impossible to argue that Berry is NOT a playmaker, so this is where a guy like Curry really shouldn't be in the same discussion.

Positional value is just a bullshit way to attack draft picks that people don't like. As with pretty much every generalization in life, there will always be exceptions. The fact that this year was weak at the top and people were still singing about positional value just exposed them as either not using their heads or pushing an agenda.

Russ Okung is going in the top 5 as a OT and several guys I listed in my list are OT's so they will be there.

Depending on how the grade out:

Kody, Suh, Dez Bryant, Damian Williams, Benn, Dunlap if he can rush the passer from the 3-4, Berry, Mays

I think positional value does have some weight, now if you personally think a guy is a great player who will transcend his position or something then no you shouldn't worry about it.

There isn't a WR in this year's class that I'd touch in the top 5, where we'll be drafting.

What if Cody becomes a fat slob after getting paid he's very high risk...Suh is a 5 tech prospect in the Chiefs D we just filled that...unfortunately Dunlap isn't a fit for us or I'd say he should go #1.

Of the WR's Williams is the most ready because the other 2 guys are from the spread.

If we didn't have a secondary that is precisely one stellar Safety away from being a lethal unit, I wouldn't back this move of taking one high. But that's where we're at.
As for which one, it's too ****ing early to discount one guy over the other. If you asked me to draft 2007 Stafford going in to the 2008 season, I would tell you to go **** yourself with a cactus. The season needs to play out before a sound decision can be made.

We've got two 2's, so that sounds like a good place to look at O-line and maybe even a receiver.

Suh is one Hell of a prospect at NT. I think he might make top 5 consideration if he plays up to his potential.

I think those 3 WR's are 10-20 types.

They're also all underclassmen if none of them come out there isn't a WR going till the mid 20's and it's Brandon Lafell.

You don't think Dunlap can play OLB in a 3-4? That's what I am interested in finding out.

Somehow I knew that Williams would be the most ready. It is utterly shocking.

I agree.

Yeah, our secondary isn't too bad considering how bad our pass rush is. We are basically leaving them out to dry, and they still aren't too bad.

A WR from a pro style system is more ready than a spread WR, that's all there is to that.

Williams is much more adept at running routes and has a better feel to the game.

I think they are all very very close in natural talent, Benn might actually have the most natural talent of the 3 to be honest.

I don't think I'd want Dunlap standing he's 6'7 290lbs now there is a ridiculous video of him in high school returning a punt, but he's a Mario Williams Julius Peppers type.

Round 1: Hardy, Berry, Mays or another stud pass rusher depending on where they are picking.

Round 2: best OL available(maybe both picks), WR or LB depending on what happens round 1.

Sure, position has some weight. However, you were one of those who were howling as if it was all that mattered in the world. It's not. It's just a part of the equation.

Right, I agree with this.

Ew I don't think Greg Hardy is a good fit here.

Ummm... with only knowing about 3-4 of those guys I really have no ****ing clue.

But if we are picking Top 3 I would as of right now take Berry if he was there. I will have to do some research on some of these other guys.

Who don't you know? I'll atleast somewhat break them down if you want, I could have added Ciron Black also for fun.

It would be faster telling you who I do know :D

Bradford
Mays
Berry
Cody

Not seeing much else at pass rusher. 6'5" is pretty big to be playing OLB though...

How the hell several of these guys are in the Big 12!


Russell Okung-LT Oklahoma State projected top 5 pick

Carlos Dunlap-DE-Florida -6'7 290 incredible gifts think Mario Williams or Peppers

Gerald McCoy-DT Oklahoma, about 300lbs not a NT prospect

Ndamukong Suh-DT-Nebraska-very top of the line prospect, very powerful and strong could profile as a NT more likely a 5 tech

Trent Williams-LT Oklahoma

Damian Williams-WR USC

Arrellious Benn-WR Illinois also a dynamic return man

Dez Bryant WR Oklahoma State

Jermaine Gresham TE- Oklahoma

Bryan Bulaga OT Iowa

Greg Hardy DE Ole Miss, has had issues with injuries and foot problems

Sergio Kindle OLB/Rush backer Texas

If you want rush backers it's Sergio Kindle..that or wait till say the 2nd round and look at guys like Ricky Sapp and Jerry Hughes..

I don't like Hardy as a standup player and he's also had foot problems.

No Tim Tebow?

I am not listing Tim Tebow in a top 15 or top 20 list.

At this point I would prefer Berry over that list of pass rushers. Where the Chiefs will likely be drafting seems high for Kindle at this point. Who knows, maybe he or another OLB prospect proves this season he is worth going that high...

LMAO But...but...

Kindle to me is a step above the rest of the rush backer prospects because of how much natural ability he has.

Thanks for the list I appreciate it.

Honestly I don't watch that much college football though I have started watching a little more the last year or so but it is still not much.

Depending on how well\bad Alberts plays this year I could see us taking an OT with the first pick like Okung and move Alberts to RT.

Other than that I still like Berry or Ndamukong Suh

You must really enjoy Milkman's wrath.:D

Trent Williams would be a viable pick, especially if the Chiefs pull a Peter King and actually go 8-8, putting them in the #10-15 spots in the draft.

Yeah I know I will get heat from that I expect it. But Alberts has struggled in pre-season and if he continues to struggle during the regular season we are going to have to think about moving him and drafting a LT.

Of course if he steps it up and plays good then we can concentrate on OL in the 2-5 rounds

Yet you want to kick in my balls about drafting a ILB or a TE. Like a SS is any different.

Like they wouldn't?

I mean, shit. They drafted Michael Huff because he ran a 4.3. Or even better, Darrius Bey.

And you don't think that they won't take a SoCal guy at 6'2", 230 lbs playing safety that runs a 4.3?

I hear the Mays Raider jerseys are second only to Favre Vikings ones so far this year.

As I recall an important component of that argument was that his position on the roster is already filled by DJ and they also did not believe that the value of replacing DJ with Curry was at all worth the price of admission either.

Brandon Spikes.

The draft class is too flush with players at more valuable positions unless someone absolutely falls in love with him or he puts up a crazy season he probably isn't going higher than the 10-15 range.