Sorry, I don't see the comparison.

Did we block a punt today? Did we have a fluke interception?

We weren't outgained 2-to-1 like we were in Baltimore.

Average gain per offensive play: 5.4 vs 6.2

Not a huge difference when you get down to it.

If you want to call the late-game rally a fluke, so be it, but Chris Chambers and Dwayne Bowe have been making plays like that their entire NFL careers.

LOL!!! This is awesome! Consider it stolen.

as long as you don't use Egoli in every sentence than steal away :D

I'll settle for you trying to get "Deeznuts" by the editors.

:eek: Oh God; talk about someone with absolutely NO room to talk, but we'll catch up down the post here...

See here's the problem with that; let's assume the Haoli Chiefs can pull 5 wins next year. You know that result is shit, I know that result is shit. But alas, there will come the "Hey That's Improvement"!-Brigade as sure as the ****ing sun shall rise in the east and set in the west.
And all that does is bring us right back to this moment in time, in this very thread, arguing the same old shit.*
So my point is this:
When it comes to airing grievances against this regime and some of the players in it; there is no right or wrong time, and no better time than the present.

*As GoChiefs has so aptly demonstrated for us just a few posts later.

LMAO

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"You got Rep"!

Jason, if we were drafting tomorrow, who would you be hoping we would select?

Some of you baffle me.

You would have laughed your ****ing asses off during the week if I said MJD's longest carry would go for 10 yards.

We were talking at the bar last night, I thought they would hold him under 120, and a friend was willing to take bets on holding under 100, he was right, and won some money.

I really thought there were some positives on Defense today some of our younger players played pretty well, Dorsey and Jackson played well on the line, Morgan showed some good things... Flowers was good... even Hali did some good stuff today... so I am with you on this one I think the Defense showed some signs of being better today... still not the results you want but a little better

This is, perhaps, the saddest thing I have ever seen.

I think the issue of defense, some people are mistaken:

IMO: They played hard and they never laid down. That's a +

The defense, while playing hard and not laying down like dogs, still gave up 400+.

It's an important distinction.

I think todays game proved that Todd Haley hasnt lost this team like some have thought, they played hard til the end, but were just short on the comeback, even you chiefs haters have to admit that.

Duh.

Anyone who thought this team had quit at all this year was just seeing what they wanted to see.

These guys play hard.

but his backup gashed us for a 28 yard td. Its the whole pic, not just the cropped part. I do agree we did better than expected, but thats where it ends.

I admit we would likely score 40/game if we got to play against the prevent/dogs called off defense we faced late in the game.

How many times does it have to be said?

Prevent defense generally PREVENTS long-ass bombs and quick scores.

Give the Chiefs some credit.

were you watching the game? there is no way Jax was playing prevent

183 total yards before garbage time (at the 2:41 point in the 4th)

After rewatching it, you are right. They werent. I stand corrected.

At that point of the game, my focus went to making sure all the kids running around didnt kill each other in my house and not so much on the game.

Being able to rewatch it without distractions, I can credit Cassel with making some great throws.

good call and rep is due!

I just figured it out.

Jason Whitlock = Denise.

There it is.

You are professionally and personally bitter over Pioli's "media policies" and "Pentagon-like security or secrets" and that frames everything petty thing you write about the Chiefs these days.

Have you ever listened to Colin Cowherd? From the frist days after he replaced Tony Kornheiser, and repeatedly over the years, he had the professional courage to drop the fascade and admit publicly that his job isn't to speak truth. His job is to generate controversy and create a buzz that hooks listeners.

You'd serve yourself well by writing a similar mea-culpa, owning up to your own role in the KC sports media and explalining how frustrated you are with the media policies of this new regime and how such policies cloud your judgement.

That sort of honesty from the media is incredibly refreshing. I'd like to see that from you.

Surely Whitlock doesn't believe Waters is playing at a Pro Bowl level...or even in the same ballpark....let's hear it, jwhit.

"And reeeeach 2-3-4,
and grasp! 2-3-4"...
"C'mon GoChiefs, work that stretch"!!! LMAO:p

Who's reaching?

Waters has sucked this year. He leads the linemen in penalties.

So why is Whitlock on here qualifying him as a Pro Bowl guard as if it gives him some sort of credibility over Haley?

Does Whitlock believe Waters is playing at some sort of high level? Why else make that statement? He can't just swoop in here, make loaded statements and then jet out the back door scott free.

Explain yourself, jwhit.

Drew Bledsoe is gay!

:shrug: This looks pretty clear to me:


Now you could rightfully say that Waters never was "all that" to begin with, and that Roaf made him a Pro Bowler by proxy, and you'll get no argument from me.
But I believe a more honest take is that unlike Gonzales who is a major name the league over and who had the power to question these guys and be taken very seriously outside of KC, Waters didn't have that kind of pull and had to acquiesce to the situation presented to him.
The old "players don't get to dictate this and that"-trip.




Unless you're Gonzales.



And can make life uncomfortable down the road if the team isn't doing well.



Which it's not.


And Drew Bledsoe IS ghey.

Yes, Waters is going out and dogging it because he doesn't like Haley.

Utter bullshit.

You've never worked for a boss you hated? Or for a company/situation you had no respect for?

And if he's dogging it, why the **** is he in the starting lineup?

I ask because I sincerely doubt he's being considered as part of the "Right 53".

And if he IS considered as such by Haoli, then **** us ALL with an industrial-sized mop handle.

He's not dogging it.

He's not the type.

I agree, he just needs to run the ball more. They were actually getting the running game going a little yesterday, then abandoned it.

Yep, and Cassel holds on to the ball too long.

Cause he ain't as open as other WRs.

Actually the Ravens game was anybody's game until the end.

No, that's not possible. Cassel and Pioli have decided they're going to keep Bowe out of the pro-bowl this year because the Chiefs suck anyway and they can't be paying bonuses in a down decade.

what do you do when it's the head coach who isn't preforming

Don't forget about Succop playing like a monster, Haley needs to try him out on the offense.

ROFL Did you even watch that game? The Chiefs tied it at 24 with 5:20 left in the 4th. Its was a close game. Very entertaining. Sometimes you can be a tool...

Beat yourself about the face and neck area?

you're wrong here buddy. Waters is as much a stand up man as anyone on the team. I have attended camp every year (except this last camp) and Waters impresses me every year with how he carries himself. He learned a lot about the game from Shields and doesnt deserve to be getting slammed by anyone.

100% correct man. He doesnt deserve the gripe he gets after Jasons comments put him in the wrong light. LJ deserves every word he gets, Waters deserves to be mentioned in a good light with all the great linemen that have passed through KC!

wasnt it still tied till just before the 2 minute warning? We were lucky to be in it though, we were killed in almost every stat except blocked kicks and "fluke plays" that likely wouldnt happen again if we played them ten more times. IMHO anyway.

Yup. The Ravens went up 31-24 right before the 2-min warning. They scored a garbage TD in the final seconds.

They 'blew us out' in total yards. Who cares though, we still had a chance to win.

I dont call a blocked punt and an INT a 'fluke play'. I agree it was closer than it should have been. The Chiefs still made plays in that game. Something they havent done since. Something that troubles me in that game is Croyle looked better than Cassel has at any point this season.

my definition of a fluke play is a play that likely wouldnt be repeated multiple time if we were in the same situation a few more times.

I fully agree with the comparison of Croyle and Cassel. I didnt want him before he was traded for and I dont like him now. I wonder what restraints are put on him that is restricting his play though, last year in NE, BB instructed him to take sacks while continueing to look downfield and I think a similar restraint is being utilized with him now. I hope Haley lets him open it up at one point and make some mistakes he can learn from, I firmly believe you learn alot more with that approach than being restricted to try and make plays.

I will gladly accept my crow if I am wrong.

I wonder what Jason would be saying if it was Herm or one of his other faves that had 1 win, would it be the same kind of harangues every frickin time?

Or would he, atleast once in a while, try to break things down like the pro he always trumpets himself as?

You need a new market Jason, if this is all you're ever going to do.

Wow!! Jwhit, you have proven what I have thought all along. You don't know shit.
NOBODY thought we were going to win 8 games with this roster. NOBODY.

You're going to be the centerfold for the November edition of Playgirl?

I guess you thought they would come out and say "pack it in ticket holders, we probably won't win more than 3-4 games. Just wait a few years and buy your tickets then"
Yeah. I'm real sure they want to tell media types like yourself that we are going to suck ass.

Well, he'll be "not dogging it" somewhere else now.

Of course not.

Herm, Cryin' Waters, Larry Johnson, Dwayne Bowe earlier in the year - those folks get a pass.

Pioli and Haley better straighten up and fly right, or else.

You're butt hurt because they cut you off. End of story.

Yes, because Herm was never criticized.

"Do they know what it takes to win football games?" Well, no!!

STFU

"You're just mad at Carl, Scott, Larry, Moe and Curly, and you're being a BIG DOO-DOO HEAD ABOUT IT!!!!ELEVENTY TO THE SECOND QUANTUUM EQUATION OF PI!!!!!!@@@@1111

Well it sure as hell wasnt Whitlock doing it, not at this level of consistency.

It's definitely more personal, and completely understandable. But draw a line. There's plenty of shit to stir up. Why stick to the same bitter topic over and over again? Move on and revisit it later. Much later.

Agreed, try talking actual football a few times & people might not get so tired of his shtick.

Alright, I just spent a portion of my morning rummaging through this interesting thread. Here are my takes, FWIW:

- Nice to see the Planet visited by the media (even if it is Whitlock...lol)

- Jason, you used to be my favorite writer in KC. You were the only "No" man in a sea of "Yes" men writers during the King Carl days. I thank you for liberating us from Carl and Herm. That said, your schtick has now worn thin. You need a new one. Somehow, even Gretz has surpassed you for Chiefs enlightenment.

- Comparison to Gretz #2; how come Bob puts out 3 articles per day and you can only muster that many per month? Just sayin'.

- You guys can argue our run defense if you like, but MJD was stuffed for most of the day. I was stoked (especially since I played against him in FF) that he only had 66 yds and no TDs late in the 4th qtr.

- I love Haley but he has too much on his plate. He needs an OC to tell him to go for it on 4th and short. And to run up the gut on 3rd and short.

- For those of you Bowe lovers wondering why we don't look his way, try watching how (un)open he is from up in the stands. He makes a lot of circus catches because he's covered while making them. There's a reason why Cassel is looking other places (and why Haley keeps acquiring players).

- Pluses from Sunday; our D line had its best game of the year, our running game looked far superior to the LJ attack.

- Negatives from Sunday; Haley's 3rd/4th and short play calling, dump off passes galore, dropped/whiffed passes, big plays given up from defensive secondary, abandoning the run. (Again, needing an OC or someone to help point out to Todd what the actual stats are. I think he's so used to the running game not working, he automatically abandoned it).

- Bottom line, we should all be ecstatic that we look this bad right now. In a long term plan, who cares about progress this year? This entire season is simply one long preseason. We're just trying out players to see who we'll keep for next season. I'd be more scared if we were making progress with guys we don't really want.

This.

I hate it, but anyone objective person knows its true.

I really, really hope Haley turns it around so I can have endless fun bumping these threads with posts from sensiblejackass.

Herm Edwards was the worst coach I've ever seen. I'm glad all of you are ready to annoint Haley as the worst after 8 games.

What a load.

If Todd Haley is making the same stupid mistakes as Herm Edwards next year as a head coach, then this can be brought up.

You'll take whatever gets posted dipshit.

How can you argue a take of heresay?

Yep, and another strong difference.

Todd Haley is accepting the blame, he must have said it 4 or 5 times at his PC yesterday. That will work, the first thing needed is an understanding of the problem. He is determined to correct it, and I believe him.

In Herm's entire time with the Chiefs, he was never, ever, part of any thing that was wrong. He was always, the reason why something was right.
There was NO HOPE for that situation, none.

I don't care if Haley is accepting the blame or not. Haley has done a horrible job.

No **** clown, no I won't.

Yeah. Pretty much. I'm glad Haley is accepting it, but beyond that it doesn't mean any difference in the results on the field. The players sure as shit aren't playing harder for Haley than they did for Herm, so I don't see how it matters any other than personal pride regarding the head coach.

"I was irresponsible, but I'm gonna keep bitching to hear myself talk."

The only people it didnt (and doesnt) take to see they are ineffective would be Marinelli and Mangini. If you lump Haley in with that crew youre more of an ass than I previously thought.

You know what? I REALLY hope he does too. So far, he has been a HUGE dissapointment.

There are things that I have taken some encouragement from... but overall, the gameday coaching make Herm Edwards look like Vince Lombardi.

I have a lot of posts you can bump about how encouraged I was as the offseason unfolded..... that clearly look misguided now.

I hope that in the end, my initial impression is correct.

But, so far, he has sucked on game day. And, for the MOST part, the Chiefs don't look prepared to play. They came off a BYE week AND were coming off a horrible loss... and the Chiefs still played like a$$.

The Chiefs ran the ball well, and Haley ran it only 12 times. Charles had a great first drive, and had half his rushing attempts on that first drive.

Pathetic. Sorry if that hurts your feelings.

Now, one of the most encouraging things is that Haley has only coached 8 games. He should get better. I just hope he doesn't lose the team before he gets there.

Herm is the most conservative Head Coach there is. No way he is a better head coach. Herm thought scoring points was arena league-that doesn't instill confidence. That instills a loser's mentality and that's exactly what we got. Camp cupcake made the players soft.

Yeah, Haley's 3-6 yard passing attack and third down draw plays, are the stuff of aggressive playcalling legend.

The team doesn't roll over and die, like's Herm's teams. Hell, Herm couldn't even make a decision on who his starting QB was. He had annoited THREE STARTING QBs in THREE YEARS. Green, first, then Re-SIGNED Huard and made him starter in year two, final year, annoited Croyle as starter. That's some real solid direction, huh?

Herm's teams, even last year, were largely more competetive than this year's group.

Herm's teams actually had the lead many times going into half time.

I will say that I like Haley's approach to press conferences better.... so that's something.

He's had eight games since the start of his head coaching career to clean up the shit stain left behind by Herm and Carl. I know you THINK you can make a fair comparison of the two careers at this point Mecca so I won't try to argue with you.

I just want to point out you continue to be a pimple on the ass of Chiefsplanet.

His team's record got WORSE, every year he coached in Kansas City. THREE years and every year was worse than the year before. That's not good coaching.

WHAT????? but some here say that bowe is open all the time and cassel just doesnt want to throw him the ball. hell some say we should force the ball to him and him only:rolleyes:


BTW thanks for the perspective

ROFL They had leads going into half time, only to piss them away over and over again, and that's the barometer of better coaching?

Im not going to judge Herm vs Haley at this point because Haley doenst have the third down crutch Herm did.

I do agree that we should be trying to "force" the ball to Bowe. The fourth quarter of the Jags game shows that to be the case.

I think the biggest problem right now is that Cassel is scared to lift up his skirt, grab his balls and go and make a ****ing play. He seems content with 3 yard dumpoffs on third and 15 instead of taking a shot and trusting his ability. That scares me a lot.

Well, at this point it is like trying to figure out which turd stinks worse, but I think it is Todd Haley.

Are you ok today? You are not your usual sharp self. Did you miss the point entirely, or do you just refuse to acknowledge it?

Even he said he is doing a horrible job, gawd. Re-read my post then get back to me.

BULL ****ING SHIT!!! Do you even watch these ****ing games? That is just reeruned, JFC

They did? Did they say that? Frankly, if they did think that it was only because they thought they were in a very weak division. Turns out that Denver is much, MUCH better than anyone expected.

I doubt, VERY MUCH, that Pioli/Haley would say, under truth serum, that they had "average" talent for an NFL team. This team is seriously undertalented, and that fact is obvious to everyone.

I'm uncertain whether you saw Bill Belichick's quotes from a recent interview with Jason Cole. If not, here's the link:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slu...yhoo&type=lgns

One quote in particular is VERY important for the Chiefs and their fans to understand:

Pioli and Haley are trying to rectify YEARS of bad decisions, and it's nearly impossible to do that in just one year.

I tend to think, for some very odd reason, that Pioli has some sense of what it takes to win football games. His father in law is Bill Parcells and his mentor is Bill Belichick. Even a dumbass rock would learn a few things hanging around with those guys just by osmosis. Pioli is not a dumbass rock.

This is completely foolish, and you know it.

Full disclosure: I am a die-hard Patriots fan, not a Chiefs fan. FWIW.