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Mr_Tomahawk 01-06-2010 07:08 PM

Where is the gif of making his goofy smile face like he had just jihp?

HemiEd 01-06-2010 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz (Post 6416254)
man, i just hope this means we can work on improving our techniques on offense.

cassel's footwork is crap,his play-action-pass fake is almost non-existent, the offensive line can't hide a screen worth a crap etc etc. :banghead:

He stares down his primary receiver as well. Pretty ****ing basic flaw.

-King- 01-06-2010 07:08 PM

Off topic: I don't see how people still buy WPI subscriptions. When was the last thing they broke?

I don't know why I had that thought. Just thinking about how weird it would be to pay for something and they don't even break any news.
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'Hamas' Jenkins 01-06-2010 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 6416478)
As I said... depends on how you look at the words. However, Belichick's first draft with the team was in 2001. Here are all the LB's drafted and the round taken, regardless of ILB or OLB projection:

2000: Casey Tisdale: round 7
2001: T.J. Turner: compensatory round 7
2003: Tully Banta-Cain: round 7
2005: Ryan Claridge: Round 5
2006: Jeremy Mincey: Round 6
2007: Justin Rogers: Round 6
2007: Oscar Lua: Round 7
2008: Jerod Mayo: Round 1
2008: Shawn Crable: Round 3
2008: Bo Ruud: Round 6
2009: Tyrone Mckenzie: Round 3


That's every linebacker drafted under Belichick. Only 3 were drafted in the 'first day', and 2 of them (Crable, McKenzie) have been held back by injury. Mayo, an ILB, was DPOY. McKenzie, projected to be an inside LB, got hurt even before getting to his first training camp. Crable was injured as a rookie, never really saw the field, and then got hurt again and ended up on IR. This year, he suffered another season ending injury, even before getting a chance to get into any game situation.

So, sure you can say that the team hasn't really drafted pass rushing OLBs if you ignore or minimize what Banta-Cain did this season, but it's not as if they've been repeatedly trying with top picks and completely failing.

JFC, you dumb mother****er, read my posts again.

They haven't been able to draft any impact OLBs.

Is Jerod Mayo an OLB?

No. So shut the **** up about him.

Regardless of where they did or did not try to bring someone in, or if they were held back by injury or ****ing cat AIDS, no one who they've drafted as a pass rusher has been an impact player.

loce1959 01-06-2010 07:11 PM

ROFL
Quote:

Originally Posted by LaChapelle (Post 6415906)
They had to get him signed
before the cranes were done at Arrowhead



-Too soon?

ROFL

booger 01-06-2010 07:14 PM

Since Dedric Ward was demoted and Richie Anderson took over coaching WR's i wonder if they will keep Ward in another capacity or what happens with that situation. Wouldn't be suprised to see DA/Quality control coach Pat Perles switch to be Muir's asst on the OL. He also was a DL coach and LB's as well, Perles that is.

Anthony Pleasant probably has a good shot to stay on as OLB/DL coach. Possibly the main DL coach if Crennel as DC comes and he has a solid backgroud with DL.

Then maybe guys like Otis Smith and Corwin Brown coached DB's and both have previous connections to Haley, Pioli, and even Weis.

Red Dawg 01-06-2010 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by BuckinKaeding (Post 6415893)
The Patsification Continues...

Who gives a damn that he coached at NE. If it ends with 3 rings for us as well I doubt anyone would complain.

Red Dawg 01-06-2010 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by CaliforniaChief (Post 6415954)
Word.


100% correct. Crennel has 5 SB rings as a DC. That's gotta be a record and he would be a massive upgrade.

Just Passin' By 01-06-2010 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6416512)
JFC, you dumb mother****er, read my posts again.

They haven't been able to draft any impact OLBs.

Is Jerod Mayo an OLB?

No. So shut the **** up about him.

Regardless of where they did or did not try to bring someone in, or if they were held back by injury or ****ing cat AIDS, no one who they've drafted as a pass rusher has been an impact player.

You really do struggle with reading comprehension, don't you?

Quote:

So, sure you can say that the team hasn't really drafted pass rushing OLBs if you ignore or minimize what Banta-Cain did this season, but it's not as if they've been repeatedly trying with top picks and completely failing.
Seriously, how ****ing tough a read is that sentence? Does the comma throw you off or something?

'Hamas' Jenkins 01-06-2010 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 6416581)
You really do struggle with reading comprehension, don't you?



Seriously, how ****ing tough a read is that sentence? Does the comma throw you off or something?

Show me where I've said they've spent a litany of top picks on them, ****tard.

Point it out. Once.

If not, then shut the **** up, and go back to Pats Planet where you can wow the throngs with stories of how it feels when Pioli's dick works your uvula like a ****ing speed bag.

LaChapelle 01-06-2010 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill Lundberg (Post 6416397)
Hypothetical question for the experts -

What if Mangini gets canned by the Browns? Do you pursue him or Crennel for DC? I can't imagine anyone giving Mangini another HC job after what happened in Cleveland assuming he isn't retained.

As long as Al Davis breathes
Mangini has a 3rd shot

Just Passin' By 01-06-2010 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6416602)
Show me where I've said they've spent a litany of top picks on them, ****tard.

Point it out. Once.

If not, then shut the **** up, and go back to Pats Planet where you can wow the throngs with stories of how it feels when Pioli's dick works your uvula like a ****ing speed bag.

I never made the claim that you'd said anything like that, you idiot. I was pointing out that your "never drafted..." angle was only telling part of the story since the team hadn't really devoted the picks to draft such a player.

You know, if you actually thought before posting, and bothered to actually read the other people's posts, you might be able to give some insight worth reading. As it is, you basically post as if you're the biggest idiot on the site.

'Hamas' Jenkins 01-06-2010 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 6416649)
I never made the claim that you'd said anything like that, you idiot. I was pointing out that your "never drafted..." angle was only telling part of the story since the team hadn't really devoted the picks to draft such a player.

You know, if you actually thought before posting, and bothered to actually read the other people's posts, you might be able to give some insight worth reading. As it is, you basically post as if you're the biggest idiot on the site.

Had they, or had they not drafted and developed pass rushers of their own?

Yes or no? It's that simple.

We know where they devote resources in the draft: Warren, Seymour, Wilfork.

Now it's Jackson and Magee.

So, please show me where I said anything else?

As it stands, you're basically the Hootie of the Patriots. A dumb **** who gets absolutely everything wrong who claims that he's right because he says so, evidence be damned.

'Hamas' Jenkins 01-06-2010 07:41 PM

Oh but Jerod Mayo was drafted by them and since he's a linebacker, that somehow ****ing matters, since he's the same position as a rush backer and all.

**** kill yourself, ****.

gblowfish 01-06-2010 07:53 PM

Good move. This is progress.

dirk digler 01-06-2010 07:56 PM

I think this is one of the best moves Pioli\Haley have made since they have been hired. We get a proven OC that makes QB's look damn good.

DeezNutz 01-06-2010 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 6416730)
I think this is one of the best moves Pioli\Haley have made since they have been hired. We get a proven OC that makes QB's look damn good.

:hmmm:

Yeah, probably. Is Weis > a kicker? I'd say, definitely.

wild1 01-06-2010 08:01 PM

Well, now we can think of the beginning of the new era being over. The principals are in place from the GM down to the coordinators and the quarterback. The extended 2009 preseason is over.

Let's fire this thing up.

Bill Lundberg 01-06-2010 08:05 PM

Back Peddling?
 
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/s...=ESPNHeadlines


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Updated: January 6, 2010, 8:31 PM ET
Sources: Weis accepts job with Chiefs
KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- Charlie Weis has agreed to become the offensive coordinator of the Kansas City Chiefs, according to team and league sources.

Weis could be named to the position within the next 24 to 48 hours, the sources said.

"Until a deal is done, I really can't say anything," Weis said from his home near South Bend, Ind.


"It's not to be disrespectful of you or the Chiefs. I just think it's really, really important for me, especially with the prospect of there being a relationship there, to make sure I handle this properly."

Weis will be reunited with head coach Todd Haley, with whom he shared an office when both were young assistants with the New York Jets. Weis also will be reunited with Chiefs general manager Scott Pioli, who was Patriots vice president of player personnel when Weis was the offensive coordinator for three Super Bowl championships before going to coach at Notre Dame.

The Bears had also been in the mix to hire Weis as offensive coordinator but the Chiefs won out.

Haley ran the offense in his first year with the Chiefs after dismissing offensive coordinator Chan Gailey. Haley had expressed a desire to find a coordinator so he could better manage his head-coaching responsibilities.

Weis was dismissed last fall with a 35-27 record in five seasons at Notre Dame.

"Charlie's a guy I have a great amount of respect for as a coach," Haley said Wednesday at his final news conference of the season. "He's a coach that systemwise, I would say we're as close as you can be. Charlie's a guy I consider a friend and I've talked to throughout the year, no different from some of the other guys I lean on for things and advice."

Haley has begun a staff evaluation and said he has already released offensive line coach Joe D'Alessandris and defensive line coach Tim Krumrie. Defensive coordinator Clancy Pendergast may also be replaced by former Cleveland coach Romeo Crennel, ESPN's Adam Schefter reports.

Haley has been noncommittal about Crennel and Pendergast.

"No conversations in that order to this point," he said.

The emergence of running back Jamaal Charles, voted the team's MVP, gives the offense something to build on next season.

"I really believe we were able to lay a foundation for the Kansas City Chiefs," Haley said. "We were able to set expectations for our players of what's expected of them both schematically and offseason, in season and practice -- the way we're going to do things as a team on a consistent basis. I believe that foundation was laid.

"It was a very difficult year, a year we were able to make progress, as evidenced by the way the season wound down."

The Chiefs are expected to be busy in the offseason trying to fill gaping needs, including defensive back, wide receiver, linebacker, defensive line and tight end.

They pick fifth in April's draft. The could have picked third, but instead ended Haley's rookie year on a rousing high by beating Denver 44-24 in the season finale.

Chris Mortensen is a senior NFL analyst for ESPN. The Associated Press contributed to this report.

dirk digler 01-06-2010 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6416749)
:hmmm:

Yeah, probably. Is Weis > a kicker? I'd say, definitely.

I don't know it's pretty close :)

Quesadilla Joe 01-06-2010 08:07 PM

LMAO

dirk digler 01-06-2010 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by wild1 (Post 6416752)
Well, now we can think of the beginning of the new era being over. The principals are in place from the GM down to the coordinators and the quarterback. The extended 2009 preseason is over.

Let's fire this thing up.

Yep that is exactly what I am thinking.

wild1 01-06-2010 08:13 PM

It's just more of the organization's policy. They don't say anything until all details are finalized.

DaneMcCloud 01-06-2010 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724 (Post 6416793)
LMAO

I don't know what you're laughing about.

Your team just got it's ass kicked on Sunday and finished the season 2-8.

Sure-Oz 01-06-2010 08:17 PM

WhitlockJason Twitter

Y did God bless me w/The Great Weis Hope 2 serve as my personal KC pinata? Just finished my column for KCStar. It's must read!!!!

DeezNutz 01-06-2010 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Sure-Oz (Post 6416856)
WhitlockJason Twitter

Y did God bless me w/The Great Weis Hope 2 serve as my personal KC pinata? Just finished my column for KCStar. It's must read!!!!

Sure-Oz is plugged into Twitter.

Good stuff, dude.

booger 01-06-2010 08:19 PM

When the shite hits the fan in Cleveland, Brian Daboll their OC would be another name to keep an eye on as QB coach. Worked w/Weiss in NE. Former GA under Saban at Mich St.

Sure-Oz 01-06-2010 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6416867)
Sure-Oz is plugged into Twitter.

Good stuff, dude.

Saying im a twitter whore is a definite understatement, but it is very useful for news.

MTG#10 01-06-2010 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6416855)
I don't know what you're laughing about.

Your team just got it's ass kicked on Sunday and finished the season 2-8.

ROFL

rocks 01-06-2010 08:26 PM

Yessssss!!!

SenselessChiefsFan 01-06-2010 09:08 PM

I like this hiring very much. This guy was the driving force behind Brady. I am more optimistic about next year at this point.

mlyonsd 01-06-2010 09:11 PM

Better check the weight limit on the elevator up to the coaching box at Arrowhead.

philfree 01-06-2010 09:14 PM

I was wanting to go a different direction for OC(I have no idea who.) but I read that Haley and Weis run pretty much the same offense so I'm up to luke warm.

PhilFree:arrow:

The Bad Guy 01-06-2010 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6416855)
I don't know what you're laughing about.

Your team just got it's ass kicked on Sunday and finished the season 2-8.

No kidding.

This assclown wants to praise McDaniels, but remind me how many rings McDaniels won with Tom Brady and how many Charlie Weis won with Tom Brady.

Mike Nolan wore a clown suit all day Sunday and you have the nerve to laugh at us.

You are a ****ing loser, KnowShit.

booger 01-06-2010 09:26 PM

i'm still suprised the Gmen fired DL coach Mike Wauffle

Braincase 01-06-2010 09:35 PM

Chiefs First Round Pick = Golden Domer.

Micjones 01-06-2010 09:37 PM

Micjones is happier than Richard Simmons with a bag of dicks.

DaWolf 01-06-2010 09:38 PM

Sorry if repost:
http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/post...fense-relevant
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For the second time in three days, the Kansas City Chiefs’ offense made huge progress.

Sunday, the Chiefs took a big step toward 2010 when they compiled 524 yards – including a team-record 259 rushing yards by Jamaal Charles – of offense in an upset win at Denver. Wednesday, the Chiefs continued progressing by agreeing to hire former Notre Dame head coach Charlie Weis to be the offensive coordinator. ESPN’s Chris Mortensen broke the story and expects the hiring to be official soon.

I love this move. It’s the organization’s first home run since hiring Scott Pioli from New England last January, and this is Pioli’s first home run as general manager. Weis could make Matt Cassel great.

He could help make Kansas City relevant again.

Weis and Pioli were together during New England’s Super Bowl run. Weis was the offensive coordinator and the man behind the development of Tom Brady and the Patriots’ great offense. Weis also has a history with Chiefs’ coach Todd Haley. The two shared an office together while with the Jets several years ago.

Combine Weis’ history with Pioli, Haley and the Chiefs’ need for a dynamic offensive coordinator, and this seems like the perfect marriage.

Haley – who said his system is very similar to the one Weis used in New England – was the team’s offensive coordinator after he fired Herm Edwards holdover Chan Gailey shortly before the season started.

This move allows Haley to spend more time on the overall team. He puts his offense in great hands. No matter what you think of Weis’ days as a head coach in South Bend, he can coach offense. His success in New England wasn’t a fluke.

Kansas City has a chance to make instant progress offensively. Charles, who was terrific at the end for the season and finished with 1,120 rushing yards, looks like a developing star.

But Weis’ biggest task will be working with Cassel. This move was made with Cassel in mind, and he has to be thrilled.

He is a product of Weis’ offense. Cassel was drafted by New England right after Weis went to Notre Dame. But he was brought up in Weis’ system.

This will be a seamless transition for Cassel. Expect his second season in Kansas City to be much more productive than his first.

As long as Pioli gets some more offensive line and receiving help, this offense should be well on its way.

Expect Haley, who started to tinker with the staff earlier Wednesday, to be a better head coach with Weis. Haley said earlier Wednesday that he leans on Weis. Now, he can do it daily. Weis’ experience as a head coach will help the young Haley develop.

Kansas City was smart to jump on Weis. There was competition. Chicago and New England were also expected to consider hiring him.

None of those teams needed Weis more than the Chiefs. The Chiefs are light on star power, and Weis gives this franchise some panache.

It also wouldn’t be a surprise if the Chiefs try to reunite Weis with Romeo Crennel, who was the defensive coordinator in New England. Crennel still hasn’t decided if he wants to coach next season, but if he does, the Chiefs could be a possibility.

A Weis-Crennel pairing would be another strong move by this team. They got the first half right. There simply are no negatives about this hiring.

booger 01-06-2010 09:42 PM

I could be wrong but thought i remember reading Grunhard was seriously debating an offer to return to his alma matter and joing the stafff as a grad assistant coach last year under Weis. He turned them down but they did hire former 49er DT Bryant Young.

We do have a spot open for asst oline to learn the ropes under Bill Muir and work closely with the youngins like Darryl Harris on the PS most of this year, the types of guys that don't get the reps but need help with their technique, etc.

Grunhard doesn't make sense in the fact he works for the enemy media though.

Just kinda a not much of anything deal to throw out there.

TigerPig 01-06-2010 09:47 PM

Now THIS is the type of news I like to see after coming home from a long day's work!

And this won't influence our pick at number 5. It will, however be required that ALL sixth round picks can only be used to draft QBs :)

The Bad Guy 01-06-2010 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by booger (Post 6417342)
I could be wrong but thought i remember reading Grunhard was seriously debating an offer to return to his alma matter and joing the stafff as a grad assistant coach last year under Weis. He turned them down but they did hire former 49er DT Bryant Young.

We do have a spot open for asst oline to learn the ropes under Bill Muir and work closely with the youngins like Darryl Harris on the PS most of this year, the types of guys that don't get the reps but need help with their technique, etc.

Grunhard doesn't make sense in the fact he works for the enemy media though.

Just kinda a not much of anything deal to throw out there.

I don't want Grunhard around at all.

KC kid 01-06-2010 10:22 PM

so is this for real or not

POND_OF_RED 01-06-2010 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Reaper16 (Post 6415932)
Updated mock draft, 01/06/10:

1.) Jimmy Clausen, QB, Notre Dame
2a.) Golden Tate, WR, Notre Dame
2b.) Scott Walker, chef du cuisine, Culinary Institute of America

All kidding aside I'd be very happy with pick 2a.

Micjones 01-06-2010 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by POND_OF_RED (Post 6417502)
All kidding aside I'd be very happy with pick 2a.

As would I. It's gonna be tough though if Spikes is sitting there too.

booger 01-06-2010 10:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 6417479)
I don't want Grunhard around at all.

i don't either. I think he wants to make/continue his career in radio. Plus his ties and friendship with Bill Maas would be a problem keeping things private.

Kinda like James Hasty did actually talk w/Vermeil a couple times about being the CB's coach working with Guinta. He was just shocked at how little he would get paid and the hours he would have to work.

Better off going with someone who is hungry.

Like i said it was kind of a not to do with much type of post.:)

Mr. Kotter 01-06-2010 11:04 PM

Very nice. This is a good decision, IMHO. :toast:

TigerPig 01-06-2010 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Micjones (Post 6417507)
As would I. It's gonna be tough though if Spikes is sitting there too.

I know it will never happen, but I'd LOVE to see Cody drop. I'm totally sold that a 340 pound (He's 365 but he'll lose some college fat) NT would improve this run defense DRAMATICALLY!!!

I don't care how or where we get one as long as we do, and he's good. :)

cj2wr 01-06-2010 11:55 PM

Didn't wanna make a noob thread but here is an interesting take on the future offense of the chiefs. Seems Charles' running helped Cassel out a lot.

New-look Chiefs offense?
1:02
PM ETKansas City Chiefs Top Email With all the buzz that former Notre Dame coach Charlie Weis might soon be hired as the Kansas City Chiefs' new offensive coordinator, there might be a few things for him to keep in mind when designing the offense.

ESPN Stats and Information gave out the first ever Next-Level Awards today, and it reveals something about two of the Chiefs most valuable offensive weapons.

First off, the numbers folks figured out that RB Jamaal Charles averaged the second-most yards (6.2) of any back in the league in one-back formations, behind only Tennessee's Chris Johnson.

Secondly, they found that QB Matt Cassel was a top-five play-action passer this season. Overall, Cassel was 25th in the league with a 69.9 passer rating. But on play-action passes, he had a 118.8 rating.

From ESPN insider.

DeezNutz 01-06-2010 11:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TigerPig (Post 6417637)
I know it will never happen, but I'd LOVE to see Cody drop. I'm totally sold that a 340 pound (He's 365 but he'll lose some college fat) NT would improve this run defense DRAMATICALLY!!!

I don't care how or where we get one as long as we do, and he's good. :)

I think a talented NT would improve the D dramatically, not necessarily a 340 lb. one.

TigerPig 01-07-2010 12:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6417836)
I think a talented NT would improve the D dramatically, not necessarily a 340 lb. one.

I do, but not with any sort of educated reasoning. I just want some Gilbert Brown motherfucker in there eating double whoppers on the sideline while taking up the tackle and left guard by sheer size alone.

HotRoute 01-07-2010 12:15 AM

Romeo crennel to mr pioli's office. 1 down 1 to go. Get it done pioli

Dylan 01-07-2010 12:16 AM

Charlie Weis, a 26-year coaching veteran, including 15 seasons in the NFL, is enjoying his ninth season with the New England Patriots and his fifth as the team’s offensive coordinator. In 15 NFL seasons, his coaching contributions have helped produce three Super Bowl Championships, four conference titles and five division titles. Weis has experienced success at each stop in his coaching career and has gained widespread respect as one of the NFL’s most creative offensive coordinators.

Throughout his career, Weis has shown the ability to develop successful offensive players through his teaching methods. He has helped to advance the careers of Curtis Martin, Keyshawn Johnson, Ben Coates and, most recently, two-time Super Bowl MVP quarterback Tom Brady. Under Weis’ tutelage, the former sixth-round draft choice has become one of the NFL’s premier signal callers in just three seasons as a starter. Including the playoffs, Brady has compiled a 40-12 record as a starting quarterback since stepping in early in 2001, at which time Weis was also serving as New England’s quarterbacks coach.

Weis drew additional responsibilities mentoring the quarterbacks from 2001 to 2002, a role he accepted after suffering the personal loss of quarterbacks coach Dick Rehbein, one of his closest friends and coaching confidants, who died in August of 2001. That season, Drew Bledsoe started the first two games of the season before being sidelined with a serious chest injury. By the third week of the season, Weis was preparing Brady for his first NFL start, and over the course of the season, Brady blossomed into a Pro Bowl performer and earned the MVP award in Super Bowl XXXVI. From there, Brady continued to improve, leading the NFL with 28 touchdown passes in 2002, then turning in another Super Bowl MVP performance in 2003.

In recent seasons, Weis’ offense has allowed young offensive players such as Brady, Deion Branch, David Givens and Kevin Faulk to develop. In addition to helping the Patriots’ young stars emerge, Weis’s offense has allowed veterans such as Troy Brown, Christian Fauria and David Patten enjoy resurgences in their careers. Brown set a franchise record with 101 receptions in 2001, earning his first Pro Bowl nod in his ninth season in the league. Fauria led the team with seven touchdowns in 2002 (his eighth professional season), while Patten’s 61 catches in 2002 were the most of his seven-year career.

Weis also used contributions from a pair of 2002 draft picks to help the team to its second championship in 2003. In his second pro season, Branch led the team with 57 receptions, while fellow second-year player Givens paced the club with six receiving touchdowns. In the postseason, Givens added a pair of scores, while Branch’s 10 catches in Super Bowl XXXVIII tied for the third-most in Super Bowl history.

Weis began his professional coaching career with the New York Giants in 1990. After working in the Giants pro personnel department in 1989, Weis was named defensive assistant and assistant special teams coach. In his first season on the Giants coaching staff, the Giants claimed the Super Bowl title with a 16-3 overall record. In 1991, Ray Handley took over as coach of the Giants and named Weis his running backs coach. After two seasons on Handley’s staff, Weis began a four-year stint in New England.

In Weis’ previous tenure with the Patriots from 1993-96, he helped to develop some of the franchise’s best individual single-season performances from Coates, Martin and Terry Glenn, respectively. During his first four seasons in New England, he coached three different positions - tight ends, running backs and wide receivers. In 1993 and 1994, he served as the team’s tight ends coach, and in his second season at the position, Coates set an NFL record for receptions by a tight end with 96 and earned his first trip to the Pro Bowl. In 1995, Weis coached the Patriots’ running backs and was credited with developing Martin, a third-round ‘95 draft pick, into one of the premier running backs in the NFL. That year, Martin won Rookie of the Year honors and set franchise rushing records with 1,487 yards and 14 touchdowns. In 1996, Weis coached the team’s receivers, and under his tutelage, Glenn led the team and set an NFL rookie reception record with 90 catches for 1,132 yards and six touchdowns.

From 1997 to 1999, Weis called the offensive plays for the New York Jets. In his first season with the Jets, New York improved from 1-15 in 1996 to 9-7 in 1997. The eight-game improvement was the best in franchise history. In 1998, Weis was named the offensive coordinator/wide receivers coach after a year of handling the dual responsibilities. By season’s end, his offense ranked among the greatest in franchise history and led the team to their first division title. The team scored 416 points, the second highest total in franchise history (419 points in 1968) and averaged 357.2 yards per game. It was the second-best season average in Jets history (368.5 ypg in 1985). Both of Weis’ starting receivers, Johnson (1,131) and Chrebet (1,083), eclipsed the 1,000-yard receiving plateau for the first time in their respective careers. It also marked the first time since 1986 that two Jets receivers reached that milestone in one season.

In 1999, Weis’ offense produced the league’s second-leading rusher and the AFC’s fourth ranked receiver. Martin rushed for 1,464 yards, falling just 90 yards shy of the rushing title. Johnson led the team and established career-highs with 89 receptions for 1,170 yards. He earned his second consecutive Pro Bowl nod at the end of the season.

Weis has enjoyed tremendous coaching success at all levels, including high school, college and in the pros. The Trenton native began his coaching career in 1979 at a high school in New Jersey. In 1985, he was hired as an assistant at the University of South Carolina, where he coached for four seasons before returning to New Jersey as the head coach at Franklin Township High in 1989. That year, he directed them to the New Jersey State Championship. In 1990, he launched his professional coaching career with the New York Giants and celebrated his first Super Bowl championship.

Source:


CONGRATULATIONS!



Hastily I add -- Charlie Weis is a huge Yankees fan. Huge.

Honestly, it's not a bad thing. :D

keg in kc 01-07-2010 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6417836)
I think a talented NT would improve the D dramatically, not necessarily a 340 lb. one.

A talented NT, a talented MLB and a safety under the age of 40 and the unit might improve 20 spots.

DeezNutz 01-07-2010 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 6417901)
A talented NT, a talented MLB and a safety under the age of 40 and the unit might improve 20 spots.

You think we should try building from the inside out? Crazy ****ing talk. This doesn't work in any sport.

philfree 01-07-2010 12:47 AM

Wies' stint with the Jets. I forgot about that offense. Keyshawn, Wayne Crebert and Curtis (My Favorite) Martin. Vinny? Hmmm...I could be warming up to this hire.


PhilFree:arrow:

luv 01-07-2010 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6417836)
I think a talented NT would improve the D dramatically, not necessarily a 340 lb. one.

Okay, back to football basics for a moment. Explain to me the nose tackle position in the 3-4. Might help me understand what type of player best suits this role. Feel free to site examples.

TIA

Dylan 01-07-2010 12:52 AM

Excerpts from: Charlie Weis: Man on the Spot

He’s a Notre Dame man, but he’s a Jersey Guy. That means he often punctuates his sentences with “OK.” OK? That could just generally be a Jersey Guy sort of thing, or it could be something he picked up specifically from another Jersey Guy by the name of Duane Charles “Bill” Parcells, who went to high school in Oradell and eventually made his way to the NFL. As coach of the New York Giants, Parcells hired a pudgy guy out of Middlesex High with a smart mouth and a brilliant mind who had just coached Franklin Township High to a state title.

“Without him, I wouldn’t have been in the NFL,” Charlie Weis ’78 says. “He took a chance on a young guy who was a fairly inexperienced guy.” Inexperienced, yes. But a Jersey Guy, all the same. Like Sinatra. Now there was a Jersey Guy. And Springsteen. The Boss. Of course. Bon Jovi, too. Tony Soprano? Have to think about that.

On a snowy Saturday afternoon in Pittsburgh, the day before the New England Patriots are to take on the Steelers in the AFC championship game, Patriots’ offensive coordinator Weis is in his hotel room at the Four Points Sheraton. He’s taking a break from his incredibly hectic, pressure-packed schedule to explain the nuances of being a Jersey Guy, which goes a long way toward explaining who he is and how he got to be head football coach at his alma mater, even though he never played for the Fighting Irish. “Springsteen always writes songs about Jersey, and he’s a diehard Yankee fan, too, OK? Bon Jovi was a diehard Giants fan. I mean diehard. That’s how I got to know him. And proud to be from Jersey.”

His resume is well-known now: six years of high-school coaching followed by four years as an assistant at the University of South Carolina. Another year at high school and then, in 1990, the turning point in his career, when Parcells brought him to the Giants. “He set me up to succeed,” said Weis, who picked up the first of his four Super Bowl championship rings that year. “He brought me to New England in ’93, where I was tight ends coach, working with Ben Coates and Marv Cook. He moved me to running backs coach, where I had Curtis Martin, then to wide receivers coach, when Terry Glenn set a rookie record with 90 catches in 1996.”

“Charlie is a very smart person,” Belichick said during the week before the Super Bowl. "He really understands what defenses are doing and how to attack them. He’s an outstanding play-caller and has a great sense of timing of when to call certain plays. It’s one thing to put together a game plan, and it’s another to call the plays at the right time, when they match up the way you want to match up. It’s not an easy thing to do.

“He’s very good at making adjustments during a game. He sees when some of the things that we thought were good now don’t look that good and we need to shift to something else. He is decisive and smart. He can pull the trigger. He’s not afraid to make tough decisions or to make calls in critical situations. He knows what he wants to do and he does it with a lot of confidence, and I think that gets conveyed to the people who are executing it.”

The person primarily responsible for the execution of Weis’s creative, innovative and, best of all, highly productive offensive schemes was quarterback Tom Brady. Although undrafted until late in the sixth round out of Michigan in 2000, Brady has developed, under Weis’s tutelage, into one of the best quarterbacks in the NFL. With three championships in his four years as a starter and two Super Bowl MVP awards, he already is being compared to the legendary Joe Montana ’79 of Notre Dame and San Francisco 49ers fame, as one of the all-time greats of the game.

The week before this year’s Super Bowl, Brady was asked what he remembered from the week before his first Super Bowl, when the Patriots upset the heavily favored Rams in New Orleans in January 2002. He talked about a verbal confrontation he had with Weis on the practice field, when Charlie was highly critical of a mistake he’d made, and Brady fired back at him, at which point Weis really cut loose. “Tommy thought he had an opinion,” Weis says now with a chuckle. “He didn’t realize at that time his opinion didn’t count.”

Weis is no fun at all if he’s losing. Especially if he’s losing because players aren’t trying hard enough, or if they’re making stupid mistakes. He prepares thoroughly and painstakingly and expects his players to do likewise. When they fail to focus, he has ways of quickly getting their attention. But the Patriots have learned that, if they follow Weis’s game plan, they will be successful.

Weis is not a charismatic man. But he is brilliant when it comes to strategy. As Belichick pointed out, one of Weis’s strengths is his willingness, and ability, to make split-second adjustments to a game plan that took hours and hours to prepare.

“Of course you want the best athletes,” he said, "but you also want the guys who fit your system. Some guy everyone wants might not be the guy you want.

“I want my type of players. If a guy wants to be a showboat and be a ‘me’ guy, then he’d better go somewhere else, because he and the coach’s personality are going to have a conflict, and guess who’s going to win on that one? I’m not always the most pleasant person in the whole world. But you have to be able to deal with the personality of the coach, because that’s going to be a reflection of the team. If you think you can fit in, then jump on board. If you don’t, then don’t get on the ship.”

Weis is a man who understands offense—and, of necessity, defense—as well as anyone in the NFL, a proud man with the utmost confidence in his own ability, a fierce competitor with a burning desire to win.

“What I like about offense,” he says, "is that you get the chance to decide what you’re going to do, and the defense has to react to it. That’s what I like. I like to be aggressive. I like to be the guy forcing the issue. In the past, I think that a lot of offensive coaches have taken a ‘Well, we can’t do that because they’re going to do this’ approach. Whereas here, we’re just the opposite. We say: ’We’re going to do this, and let’s see what they try to do to stop it.‘

"I love to move the football. I’m probably known as more of a ‘passing guy’ because that’s what we’ve done to move the football. So, a lot of times, people say:‘`Well, they want to throw it.’ Well, I want to throw it because it works. If it’s not working, I don’t want to be throwing it. A lot of it has to do with what players you have and what you can do against who you’re playing against."

“Any truly competitive coach has a passion to win. Until you start winning, you’re going to be miserable. I don’t like being miserable.” Nothing, no one, is more miserable than a miserable Jersey Guy. “I love New Jersey and always will,” Weis says. “I talk about ‘my type’ of guy. Well, the easiest place for me to find guys who are messed up like me is to go to New Jersey.”

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luv 01-07-2010 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by luv (Post 6418001)
Okay, back to football basics for a moment. Explain to me the nose tackle position in the 3-4. Might help me understand what type of player best suits this role. Feel free to site examples.

TIA

Alrighty, we'll see if I can answer my own question before you guys send me to wikipedia....

I went myself.

I focused on the 3-4, since that's what we're running. BTW, they listed a 5-2 defense as well, but I"ll not even ask about that right now.

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3-4

In a 3-4 defensive scheme, the nose tackle is the sole defensive tackle, lining up directly opposite the center in the "0-technique" position. Like the traditional 4-3, the nose tackle must occupy the center and one guard, typically the weak-side or pulling guard. One defensive end then matches up with both the strongside tackle and/or strongside guard, while the other has a 1-on-1 matchup with weakside tackle. This leaves the outside linebackers free to pass-rush, creating the 3-4 scheme's distinctive pressure on the passing game.

In order for a 3-4 to be effective, it needs a force of nature at nose tackle, which is very hard to find. Ted Washington, who in his prime weighted as much as 375 pounds, is considered the prototypical 3-4 nose tackle of this era.[1] Jerry Ball was also a highly successful nose tackle, making multiple pro bowl appearances and even registering 32 career sacks.
Refresh my memory. Who do we have at NT that fits this description?

TigerPig 01-07-2010 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by luv (Post 6418042)
Alrighty, we'll see if I can answer my own question before you guys send me to wikipedia....

I went myself.

I focused on the 3-4, since that's what we're running. BTW, they listed a 5-2 defense as well, but I"ll not even ask about that right now.



Refresh my memory. Who do we have at NT that fits this description?

:shake:

There's a guy in the draft named Terrence Cody from Alabama that I think would be awesome. Problem is he's projected to be a 15-20 pick. We don't want to waste a top 5 on him, and he won't be there for 37. But MAN would it be nice... And it wouldn't surprise me if we did end up getting him if he has a good enough combine, because he's the kind of freak of nature (size) that doesn't come along every single year. And we reached for the player we really wanted last year, so we know our FO has no problems doing so.

luv 01-07-2010 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by TigerPig (Post 6418045)
:shake:

Is that short for "You're an idiot," or "We have no one who fits that description"?

TigerPig 01-07-2010 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by luv (Post 6418048)
Is that short for "You're an idiot," or "We have no one who fits that description"?

:shake: = no one

luv 01-07-2010 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by TigerPig (Post 6418055)
:shake: = no one

Good, I didn't want to have to go to bed feeling like an idiot.

Although, I'm sure I am one for having to ask.

KJROD20 01-07-2010 12:25 PM

First time poster here. First time KC fan, as of today, I guess. A family member worked for Weis at ND and will be joining him on the KC staff in the near future as well. You guys got a great coach and a great man as well. I know people rip on his performance at ND but if they had any semblance of defense, they would have won 8+ games this past season. Just looking at the 45-38 Stanford game gives you a good idea of what he had to deal with.

So, to be honest, I really don't know a thing about this team, and it doesn't seem I can post a new topic yet, so can anyone give me the lowdown on the Chiefs and what needs to be done for them to be successful?

The Franchise 01-07-2010 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by KJROD20 (Post 6419273)
First time poster here. First time KC fan, as of today, I guess. A family member worked for Weis at ND and will be joining him on the KC staff in the near future as well. You guys got a great coach and a great man as well. I know people rip on his performance at ND but if they had any semblance of defense, they would have won 8+ games this past season. Just looking at the 45-38 Stanford game gives you a good idea of what he had to deal with.

So, to be honest, I really don't know a thing about this team, and it doesn't seem I can post a new topic yet, so can anyone give me the lowdown on the Chiefs and what needs to be done for them to be successful?

Which coach from ND is going to be joining us? :rolleyes:

CaliforniaChief 01-07-2010 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by KJROD20 (Post 6419273)
First time poster here. First time KC fan, as of today, I guess. A family member worked for Weis at ND and will be joining him on the KC staff in the near future as well. You guys got a great coach and a great man as well. I know people rip on his performance at ND but if they had any semblance of defense, they would have won 8+ games this past season. Just looking at the 45-38 Stanford game gives you a good idea of what he had to deal with.

So, to be honest, I really don't know a thing about this team, and it doesn't seem I can post a new topic yet, so can anyone give me the lowdown on the Chiefs and what needs to be done for them to be successful?

:facepalm:

KJROD20 01-07-2010 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 6419277)
Which coach from ND is going to be joining us? :rolleyes:

Not a coach. Support staff.

EDIT: i do agree on your avatar. If Berry falls to 5, they'd be idiotic not to take him. Dude is a beast.

Reaper16 01-07-2010 12:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KJROD20 (Post 6419273)
First time poster here. First time KC fan, as of today, I guess. A family member worked for Weis at ND and will be joining him on the KC staff in the near future as well. You guys got a great coach and a great man as well. I know people rip on his performance at ND but if they had any semblance of defense, they would have won 8+ games this past season. Just looking at the 45-38 Stanford game gives you a good idea of what he had to deal with.

So, to be honest, I really don't know a thing about this team, and it doesn't seem I can post a new topic yet, so can anyone give me the lowdown on the Chiefs and what needs to be done for them to be successful?

Things KC Chiefs Need to Do to be Successful:

1.) Everything

Mr. Laz 01-07-2010 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KJROD20 (Post 6419273)
First time poster here. First time KC fan, as of today, I guess. A family member worked for Weis at ND and will be joining him on the KC staff in the near future as well. You guys got a great coach and a great man as well. I know people rip on his performance at ND but if they had any semblance of defense, they would have won 8+ games this past season. Just looking at the 45-38 Stanford game gives you a good idea of what he had to deal with.

So, to be honest, I really don't know a thing about this team, and it doesn't seem I can post a new topic yet, so can anyone give me the lowdown on the Chiefs and what needs to be done for them to be successful?

welcome to the pain that is being a Chiefs fan. :D


"you can check out any time you like, but you can't never leave...."

FAX 01-07-2010 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by KJROD20 (Post 6419273)
First time poster here. First time KC fan, as of today, I guess. A family member worked for Weis at ND and will be joining him on the KC staff in the near future as well. You guys got a great coach and a great man as well. I know people rip on his performance at ND but if they had any semblance of defense, they would have won 8+ games this past season. Just looking at the 45-38 Stanford game gives you a good idea of what he had to deal with.

So, to be honest, I really don't know a thing about this team, and it doesn't seem I can post a new topic yet, so can anyone give me the lowdown on the Chiefs and what needs to be done for them to be successful?

Hi there, Mr. KJROD20. On behalf of all the really smart, good-looking, reasonable, and super nice Planeteers, allow me to welcome you to the board.

As for the question, "What needs to be done for them to be successful?", basically we need some kind of sorcerer or necromancer with a working magic wand he can use to supernaturally increase our talent level then jam up Clancy Pendergast's anal cavity.

FAX

ToxSocks 01-07-2010 12:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KJROD20 (Post 6419273)
First time poster here. First time KC fan, as of today, I guess. A family member worked for Weis at ND and will be joining him on the KC staff in the near future as well. You guys got a great coach and a great man as well. I know people rip on his performance at ND but if they had any semblance of defense, they would have won 8+ games this past season. Just looking at the 45-38 Stanford game gives you a good idea of what he had to deal with.

So, to be honest, I really don't know a thing about this team, and it doesn't seem I can post a new topic yet, so can anyone give me the lowdown on the Chiefs and what needs to be done for them to be successful?

You don't want this Misery dude. Just walk away. Walk away before it is too late to turn back.

DBOSHO 01-07-2010 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KJROD20 (Post 6419273)
First time poster here. First time KC fan, as of today, I guess. A family member worked for Weis at ND and will be joining him on the KC staff in the near future as well. You guys got a great coach and a great man as well. I know people rip on his performance at ND but if they had any semblance of defense, they would have won 8+ games this past season. Just looking at the 45-38 Stanford game gives you a good idea of what he had to deal with.

So, to be honest, I really don't know a thing about this team, and it doesn't seem I can post a new topic yet, so can anyone give me the lowdown on the Chiefs and what needs to be done for them to be successful?

welcome to the Fam. once you go red, you cant leave till your dead?

DBOSHO 01-07-2010 01:33 PM

safety, mlb, nt, lg, c, rt maybe, reciever, 2nd rb, kr to name a few

'Hamas' Jenkins 01-07-2010 01:53 PM

Get out while you still can.

KJROD20 01-07-2010 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Reaper16 (Post 6419303)
Things KC Chiefs Need to Do to be Successful:

1.) Everything

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laz (Post 6419314)
welcome to the pain that is being a Chiefs fan. :D


"you can check out any time you like, but you can't never leave...."

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Originally Posted by FAX (Post 6419382)
As for the question, "What needs to be done for them to be successful?", basically we need some kind of sorcerer or necromancer with a working magic wand he can use to supernaturally increase our talent level then jam up Clancy Pendergast's anal cavity.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 6419391)
You don't want this Misery dude. Just walk away. Walk away before it is too late to turn back.

hmm, well i feel welcome now. optimistic . . . not so much.

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Originally Posted by DBOSHO (Post 6419515)
welcome to the Fam. once you go red, you cant leave till your dead?

or until my family member goes somewhere else, of course.

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Originally Posted by DBOSHO (Post 6419537)
safety, mlb, nt, lg, c, rt maybe, reciever, 2nd rb, kr to name a few

well hopefully Berry would fall to 5, i'm guessing that what most people want here. Coming from ND, I'd love to get Tate in the 2nd rd but who knows.

kstater 01-07-2010 02:22 PM

Family member? We got the new Brenda Warner here?

SPATCH 01-07-2010 02:27 PM

Chaaaahlie

Basileus777 01-07-2010 02:36 PM

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