I think you've confused me Shitsprayer.

Well, he's really not one of them if he colors outside the lines anyway...

It didn't ****ing slow down Bukowski or Poe...

dont know, ive never felt that any chemical compound had 'control' over me. No matter how altered i was.

You know what I think? I think it all comes down to how your body reacts to it?

With that being said, it all depends on the person. You may smoke pot and your body may react to it differently from mine? I think it depends on your body, and our bodies are different in some ways which can cause differences in reactions.

replace body with mind and you have it.For instance I found it fascinating danes stories on musicians who would shoot up just before a recording session and how they couldnt preform without it.

Completely agree.

I just don't tolerate pot for $3it. At all.

In most in encourages hunger but in me in makes me empty my stomach.

So I'm not a fan.

But if it helps you out with any condition you have go for it. I hope it does go medicinal in your state...

Some people are mentally tougher than others. The differences you see in one person compared to another is indicative of how they react outside of their comfort zone. It's no different than how 2 different people react to stress or depression. Not necessarily a difference in the way MJ reacts to different people, but how different people's brains react to any outside stimulation, including MJ.

Yeah but we are talking about the brain which is a part of the body. You can't replace that, period.

Marijuana HAS an effect on the brain. Are you using mind to refer to state? You have to remember your brain is responsible for controlling your state of mind. Im speaking to you directly as if Im breaking this down from a sequential point of view.

Musicians would probably do it because it is known for causing chemical reactions in the body thus effecting the brain. Since the brain is effected, it causes your state of mind to be effected as well.

Is alcohol a bad drug?

Of course it is.

Marijuana needs a cure to increase potency and improve flavor. Both marijuana and tobacco require a approx. 1mos. combined drying and cure time.

Not only are their added steps but there are improved ones as well.

Even though one drink per day has been shown to have big health benefits?

I feel like I have an obligation to step in here...

What do you mean? They pay for it now. It isn't free. Instead of paying some guy they know taht has some connection, they will pay Quicktrip. Instead of the drug grower in Columbia making a killing, some farmer in Humbolt california will get rich.

You're simply referring to thought process.

How you think, or I should say, how you interpret certain things determines how your feel or handle things. To each his own, we all have our own way of thinking.

But here we are talking about a drug that causes chemical reactions in the body that triggers and effects your brain which can alter your state of mind in how you think, therefore, your thoughts are changed and behaviour too.

Well, if you are refering to it that way, then it's totally different. For example, a glass of wine a day may serve many health benefits, but if you abuse drinking wine to the point where you get intoxicated then yeah anybody could tell you that alcohol is bad for you. But I was looking at it from that point of view and that is what I thought you meant.

So one drink per day won't affect your brain the way you're saying one joint per day would?

:spock:

<object width="480" height="385"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/0MRmxfLuNto&hl=en_US&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/0MRmxfLuNto&hl=en_US&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="480" height="385"></embed></object>

Yup.

Well, I'd have to call bullshit on that.

LMAO

All that to say that when I smoke pot it changes what I do after I smoke pot?

There is no change in how I think when I smoke. If a masked gunman were to storm into my house it would be an instant buzz kill. Only lasting effects would be that I just might giggle when I shot him.

I admit to short term memory loss, and the occasional body high that makes moving in any kind of upright manner difficult. But that happens if I pop a vicodin too.

Lets take a sober person who has never touched alcohol or marijuana in his/her life.

Suppose you fed him/her one glass of wine or beer is that person going to get drunk? No.

Suppose you have him/her smoke a joint, is that person going to get stoned?Absolutely. I guarantee you that person will be so fried before they even knew it.

Tell me which has a greater effect?

Oh please. Give said alcoholic virgin a shot of patron and there's any number of millions of people that would go loopy.

What you just said is absolute nonsense. I know people who had to smoke several times before they ever caught a buzz. I also know people who would absolutely be affected by 1 beer.

ALL Humans have Cannabinoids in their brain, the only thing that fits perfectly with those cannabinoids is cannabis. Pursuit of happiness is a God given right. I fail to see how soomebody making a choice for THEMSELF and affectly only themself, hurts another in any way shape or form. The illegality of Cannabis is just another prohibition money grab.

Reallly? I find that hard to believe.

Yeah unless that person is a 4 year old girl I can see that as a possibility.

You need to get out more, I guess.

Clearly you've had a lot of exposure in society.

OMG

LMAO

Wow. ROFL

Pot does change your behaviour or how you think, I don't see any sense in denying that?

Why do people do it to begin with? One of the reasons I believe is because they get a kick out of it. Ever see those people who laugh at everything that comes there way when they smoke up? Thats the weed doing its work. Thats the brains way of interpreting stuff a lot differently than when sober..simply put chemical reactions are taking place in the body which in turn alter your state of mind. That appies to interpretation of things and how you think.

My point is why would someone pay for something that i relatively easy to cultivate.

People my age don't smoke pot so they can laugh at movies. I do feel a desire to smoke after reading your crap however.

Uhhh what? Were you studying the effects when you wrote this?

The chemical reactions to MJ all occur in the brain. And have been well documented and understood. MJ is not a dopamine-related drug, such as coke or heroin. That's where the addiction factor comes into play, and that's why MJ isn't addictive. MJ's active stimulant is delta-9 THC. Which reacts with THC receptors in the brain. This reaction is essentially the same in any mammalian brain. Extended use shuts off some THC receptors, which causes tolerance. But unlike dopamine-related drugs, it limits the number of THC receptors that are turned off, so people who smoke all their lives can still get the same effects, although slightly higher doses are needed. Dopamine drugs don't do that, and will keep requiring more and more for the effect until the user's body gives out and dies. MJ also contains Cannibinol, which causes depression/paranoia/anti-socialness over time. Some people have the mental capacity to handle that additional effect with no outwardly social effects. Some people can't. No different than some people can handle tequila just fine, while others turn into Hulk and kill things. The Cannibinol buildup effect over time is what causes some people to start to feel too paranoid and quit smoking after using it for an extended time.

That's essentially what's happening.

Whatever dude.

Explain to me how a person can be effected by 1 beer? I find that really hard to believe.

And you said you know of people that have to smoke up several times before they catch a buzz? Well, I'd find that hard to believe also IF, only if those people have never touched a joint in their lives. Chances are those people you are referring to are chronic pot smokers.

Yup.

I smoked 4 times before I ever got high.

Before that I had absolutely nothing coming. No high or intoxication.

5th time I was wasted.

Ditto. It took me 3 or 4 times as well. The first time I really got high, I flipped out for about 4 minutes and told my brother he was going to have to take me to the hospital. He laughed, told me to sit back and relax. I did, and then I enjoyed myself.

same reason they pay for potatoes, tomatoes, fresh herbs in the garden, beer, wine, etc. I dont smoke pot, but i did in college. Lots of it too. I am 43 years old and have 3 or 4 friends of mine that light up fairly regularly and they are about my age. If it were legal, they would buy it. Guaranteed. Guys like you and me grow things in the garden and like doing it, so it isn't "work" to us. Some people are simply lazy and will go to the store for anything. Sort of like canning. It is easy to can tomatoes for the winter, but most people dont because they can buy them at the store.

Thank you for your input.

So then its the agents in the drug(Cannibinol) which causes depression/paranoia/anti-socialness over time. You referred to mental capacity in how some can handle it while others can't, and this is what I trying to get at it in how everybody body is different.

It's relative to how much you consume. One beer and one joint are miles apart just like a tall glass of beer and a tall glass of vodka.
You simply can't compare the two as they also have different effects. Pot makes most peaceful and happy while booze may make people hot-headed and depressed.

My understanding is you don't have to roll. Some folks use pipes and vaporizers - whatever that is.

Because they don't have a tolerance for alcohol.


No, they weren't. One of them was me.

I've heard this. That's why I just use a medium size trash can to fix my drink in so that I limit it to one a day.

Of course it boils down to consumption I agree.

The bottomline is, they both take you out of your sober state of mind no matter the differences in effects.

Look at some of you guys man, it took me 4 or 5 joints before I got high. YAY! LOL

:facepalm:

Guess what? In a FREE SOCIETY, people should have CHOICES. You could still choose to say no, even if was decriminalized. Just because something is legalized doesn't mean you have to partake. Who are you to DICTATE to OTHERS, what THEY CHOOSE for themselves? Live your life, let others do the same.

Look at big Pharma, then get back to me. I'm sure none of their synthetic drugs have chemical reactions, do they? :rolleyes:

You're reaching because you have no concept of freedom or the way big pharma and alcohol helped pass legislature, to look out for their own interests.

Yes. Some people have greater mental capacity than others. That's what I said.

I still have no idea what point you're trying to make here though. You're talking in circles.

I think his point is that pot get you high.

Well from a health standpoint.

Alcochol - causes liver damage,leads to stroke/heart attacks, leads to diabetes and hurts your immune system

Cigarettes - causes lung damage, cancer, strokes, heart disease and other respiratory problems.

Marijuana - may cause some respiratory issues, but other than that, this drug is pretty much harmless to the body.

Yet the first 2 are legal and causes thousands more deaths per year. And to be honest I dont know of too many instances where smoking too much pot can kill you....unlike the first 2.

You can eat pot or vaporize it and you don't even have the smoking issue to contend with.

I see your point. Makin what you consume just seems 2nd nature to me.

Country boys can survive doesnt apply to everyone.

I need to get out more.:)

Im not dictating what others should choose for themselves, Im just stating one of the reasons why I believe some people do it.

The point Im trying to make is that when I smoke the drug I get paranoid. When I don't smoke the drug, not so much. Why is that?

Because mommy did crack?

You have difficulties dealing with anxiety and fear. The MJ is simply a catalyst for this feeling, not the cause.

So then I guess I made a great decision to stop smoking pot.

Yes you did.

How big is big? I grew some 6footers once :D

Is that right???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHUWlEB6N1s

Some people who have anxiety smoke pot to help deal with it. IMO paranoia doesn't come from pot it comes from the stigmas that accompany it since it is illegal.

PhilFree:arrow:

14-15 ft.

True story. When my high school history class went to France, we got into some spiked chocolate (but we didn't know it). The little angel of the group, reader at church, stuff like that, had one chocolate and was trashed. It was hilarious. Nothing drastic, but very memorable.

Making my eyes red just thinkin' about it.

been along time gone. Oh the stories i could tell about the outlaws ive known.

We'll have to swap some of those stories in person.

troubles been brewin on the home front so its gonna be awhile before i get out. If nothin else when the water warms up ill hit you up for some fishin. you still got my #?

Yes sir, I looked for you at Patton Alley guess that's why I didn't see ya.

cool.

I suppose I can say everybody who opposes legalization are close minded conservative dickbags who also oppose stem cell research and civil rights. Since we are making generalizations and all.

On a more serious note, not everybody who smokes pot is a "pothead". I will smoke every once in a while and I am most definitely not a "pothead." Do I think it should be legalized? Sure, I would like to have the choice to smoke if I so choose. Everybody should have that choice. It's not like its a drug like cocaine or meth where it ruins lives. If you don't like marijuana that's fine but that should be your own personal choice. Why should I not be allowed to do it if it's not harmful to myself or society? Sure it can possibly be harmful if somebody is under the influence while driving but that's no different from alcohol. Seems to me the side effects are much less than those of alcohol. So why is alcohol legal and marijuana isn't? Doesn't really make sense to me.

That makes absolutely no sense.

That's like saying alcohol is fine as long as you don't have a job of severe importance. "I would not want my doctor or the pilot of the plane i'm on to be drunk..."

Should it not be treated the same as alcohol? Alcohol is legal to use but it is illegal to operate a motor vehicle under the influence and it is illegal to be drunk and disorderly in public. Sure it would be wrong for a pilot to be high while he is flying, no different than it would be wrong if he was drunk.

:wayne: i'm done now

I don't think pot should be legalized. It's bad for society.