Weren't both Super Bowl teams built around the QB with a 4-3 defense and both had a good safety?

Deep safety draft.. so get the QB to build around in the first.. and star safety in the second..

1. Rolando McClain - general on the field and well versed in 3-4 defense.
2. Dan Williams - best nose tackle in the draft(?), cornerstone of the 3-4 defense.

Pioli will not draft a safety with the 5th pick nor will he take Claussen. Okung will be gone by the 5th pick guaranteed. Bulaga is a short armed left tackle and could also be gone.

Eric Berry or Jimmy Clausen.

Maybe it is unlikely but trade should be one of the choices (trade down)....Also, Okung would be awesome but it is unlikely he will be there at #5...Seems like Bulaga or Williams would be a more realistic hope.

OMG. Unbelievable. Same ol' CP.

55% want Berry? Over Clausen (31%)?

Are you kidding me?

Unbelievable.

Let's review.

Rule #1 - You DO NOT pass on a potential franchise QB if you do not currently have one.

We currently do not have one.

If we pass on another potential franchise QB AGAIN, our front office should be replaced AGAIN.

how many times have you said this?

we went to a 3-4 because our Coaches etc know and want a 3-4. The same reason that other organization switch to a new scheme when they get new coaches.

i get it ... you don't like it. But stop pretending to be confused about what's going on in some kind of pseudo passive, aggressive bitchfest.

what if he's not a franchise QB?

Even if you really want Clausen, it's probably best to accept that is so unlikely it would be stunning if it happened.

We're chasing the 3-4 trend, it's a problem.

On top of that the NE 3-4 was never like Pitt's or Baltimores, they run essentially the cover 2 of 3-4.

That's absolutely a possibility.

But not to worry, this franchise doesn't have the balls to draft a potential QBOTF and find out.

What if Berry ends up being average at best?

Who cares? Fire again.

They don't and most of the fan base doesn't either, they'd rather take an OT.

if we pass on Eric Berry this time. We are going to be calling for Pioli's head in 2 or 3 years.

Berry would be great, but Clausen would be better.

Bulaga, however, would be exceptional.

I'm with ya but when you don't have the front office or scouts that can recognize QBOTF talent what do you expect?:shake:

If that's the case, we should close 1 Arrowhead and stop trying.

Sell the team and move 'em, since there's really no point.

WHAT!

WE HAVE THE MOTHER****ING EXECUTIVE OF THE DECADE HERE, PEOPLE!

That was a classic post from the Carl tenure.

Circular trends and shit.

FTR I am not fond of Clausen. Something about him I don't like.

IMO I haven't seen the GOD effect yet.

If they think we can field a winning team without a real QB,then I agree with you.
:edit.Ok maybe with $200 million worth of players around Cassel maybe we can go .500,but I doubt it.

Sarcasm, brother.

And yeah, I'm with you.

Forget water into wine, at this point, not turning it into camel piss would be a good start.

Because he has a bad haircut doesn't mean he can't play.

the guy was freakin out about the voting ... guess what, some people voted Berry because the figured that the chiefs would never take a QB.

some people voted Berry because they like Berry so much, not because they hate Clausen.

everyone just needs to ease up a bit and take a Valium or something.


part of me thinks that Berry is the way to go because Berry is a better safety than Clausen is a QB imo

part of me thinks that having a QBotF would be really freaking cool


so i didn't vote at all :shrug:

QBOTF

it's not just that. Something about him. I don't care for Notre Dame either. Maybe that's it. I can't really explain it or put my finger on it, but I don't like him.

Jack Stedman and Jim Schaff had balls, they did it twice. Failed both times. Them not hitting on a QB and pissing off Levy did that tenure in.

After much consideration, I went with Berry. BUT, it comes with a catch. I really think there is a chance Clausen could slip past Seattle (once, not sure about twice at #14) at #6, Browns at #7, Oakland at #8, and the Bills at #9 (Bills need OT's worse than alost anyone). I am not sure Berry would slide past the Browns at #7, otherwise I might have went the other way.

Jax at #10 has been rumored to be interested in trading back, and is in sort of a financial bind at the same time. IF Clausen happens to still be on the board at this point, send both #36 and #50 to the Jags, and select Clausen. Yes, the point value is off by 350 points, but the two 2nd round picks gives the Jags the pick(s) they need, and don't have, to select Tebow in the second round.

Berry... just slightly over Clausen.

Bob Fescoe doesn't want Berry so all the more reason i want him at 5

From the "SIC" the main trade partner if Clausen and Berry are there is Cleveland and they'll select Berry and KC will pick Clausen.

I could live with that. But damn, I would love to have them both.

Who had worse stats last year than Cassel. So did Sanchez.

Let's face it. The Cassel-Haters who think he's a suckbag want Clausen. The people who think Cassel's not that bad want Berry.

So they'll probably draft Okung, LOL.

Okung won't be there at #5 anyway.

This run-up to the draft on the Planet has been much better than last year. Why? Because most people, even the dummies who think Cassel is the answer at QB, think that Berry should be the pick. Those of us who would want Clausen can't call the pro-Berry posters idiots because Berry would be a great pick for the Chiefs. Last year I was all "If you want Curry then I want you dead, mother****er." This year I'm all "You don't want Clausen? Who the **** do you want then? Berry, you say? Oh, well, sure. That's fine."

"With the fifth pick in the draft, the Kansas City Chiefs select Tim Tebow."

:::sound of shotguns ratcheting all across Kansas and Missouri:::

ROFL

Berry

Does he actually give a reason for it...I'd love to hear that dumbassery at work.

We really need impact play-makers .. so I guess Berry is the one ready to help us from day one ...

I think that tells you most here don't consider Clausen to be a franchise QB.

Or don't think the Chiefs will realistically make the pick.

where the **** is tebow?

Berry over Clausen is okay with me. People who voted Okung should be castrated though.

The question is clearly who should we draft first, not who do you think we'll draft first.

Look now they should take Clausen because Cassel isn't the guy but there's no way this front office believes that yet.

I will pass out if they take Clausen.

Only 11% are taking Okung?!



The dumb-**** percentage has to be much higher than that......

So KCCHIEFSMAN, who do you think we should draft? :-P

Haha! Tebow is the only QB that could get the True Fans blood pumping.

Clausen


but given the almost 0% of it happening, Berry

It should tell you that you don't know what you are talking about.

Every offensive coach at USC told Carroll that Sanchez should start over Booty but he wouldn't do it.

They held an open competition btw. Leinart and Cassel and Leinart was the better QB by consensus.

Sorry, but I think the dumb*** percentage is taking a over-hyped S with the 5th pick when you have holes all over your team.....OL, DL, LB, WR.

Winning NFL football teams have good front lines, period.

Berry will be a good NFL player, but he is nowhere near a #5 value.

Berry will not even be the best NFL safety in this draft. There it is you can save this quote and bring it back later. Just don't lose it when it becames a correct statement.

But we have a LT. You really think RT should be picked at #5?

I would be good with any of those three choices.

dude......your first argument is completely idiotic. "Why draft a safety when that is one hole, but we have other holes as well like OL, DL, LB and WR. Those are 4 of our 5 holes. Why pick safety as the hole to fill?" With that logic the same thing would be said for drafting anybody.

Eric Berry will be a stud in this league and we need a safety badly and he will be a great one. If we had the #1 pick, I'd still want us to draft him.

You do realize that KC has a first round pick at LT and 2 TOP 5 PICKS on the DL don't you????? :banghead:

TBH none of those guys played worth a shit last year really.

so does when/where they were drafted really make a difference if they suck?

yes,yes,yes ... Albert was good in his 1st year so he gets more time.

Huh, all of those players were taken in the last 2 years. It's not like they are a bunch of vets sucking it up.Tyson Jackson (bad value or not) has only played one season, Dorsey improved in year 2. D-lineman generally take 3 years to develop for the most part, so I really don't see the problem with either of them at this point. You can get a nose after round 1. This team was fine with Albert at LT the last part of the season. Taking a lineman at 5 this year would be foolish.

Wow. 25 people actually think we should go OT at 5? Dumb...
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Well, we now know that Shox is reeruned...
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Yeah....but take a look at the names.

abnchieffan, Brianfo, bruno, chefs fan in omaha, CHENZ A!, Chieftain58, cmh6476, Duck Dog, Frankie, King_Chief_Fan, KnowMo2724, orange, Otter, Pawnmower, Renegade, RJ, rocks, rrl308, Saccopoo, Shox, Steve, tarheel23, tymania, UTChief, warpaint*


KnowMo2724 and orange can be taken out because they're Bronco fans.

Pawnmower and Saccopoo are all over the offensive line's nuts.

CHENZ A! is really the only one that bottles my mind.

So about a lot of Chiefs fans wanting us to draft Clausen.

Would you prefer that we draft Sam Bradford if the Rams were to take Clausen? I know it's probably not happening, but doesn't that tell you anything about Clausen if there are 2 QBs worthy of a 1st round pick and the #1 pick is choosing Sam Bradford over Clausen? Bradford, a spread QB and most here would probably say that he is not going to make a good pro. Not to mention that Bradford is coming off of a major injury. But the Rams are choosing him over Clausen? why is that? If Clausen is going to be so great, then why are Rams taking Sam "Mr. Injury Spread" Bradford instead of Clausen?

Jamarcus Russell was drafted number one overall a couple of years ago. Teams are talked into doing reeruned shit all the time.

ya, but that's Al Davis.

Because the Rams are the only team in the league that has drafted worse than the Chiefs over the last decade?

I should clarify that I don't think Sam Bradford is going to be a bad pick. It's true he has a high bust potential, but he also has the potential to be great.

valid argument I suppose

Mods...

If you can, change my vote to Clausen. And I would be thrilled with Berry as a runner-up prize.

That's like casting Carl and Herms sins on Pioli and Haley.

:D

Not sure if I actually abandoned the Clausen Bandwagon. More I crawled onto the greed bandwagon and wanted both... thinking Clausen would last a bit longer in the draft than Berry.

So far it's not all that different.

So far. Pioli has said he values different opinions than his, and that is what makes for growth as a franchise. We shall see.

You are still willing to risk Clausen instead of risking Berry. It's easy to see where your heart is really at.

Jimmy text me and said he is heavy of heart at this betrayal


signed
~Laz the faithful~

ROFL

Either Berry or trade down...

We are like the opposite of the raiders, where as they always draft the fastest player regardless of skill we should always draft the fattest. Then when we play them it will be like ice hockey for regular nintendo when you have all the big bruisers just knocking the shit out of the skinny fast ****ers and taking the puck.

Honestly I want us to go defense. I'd be ok with berry, but I just really wish there was an impact pass rusher worth the 5 spot. To me that is the most glaring of our many needs.
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:shrug: Tell him I'm back in his corner, and all is good now.

well there isn't a pass rusher, so we just need to draft Berry.

I don't like the idea, no. I hate the idea of us drafting a QB who comes 2nd to Sam Bradford, a spread QB who is coming off of a major injury. Don't want Clausen.