I probably have children your age son, show a little respect :) You hatin on long hair is just lame. I'm pretty much done in life being disabled and all, but I won't explain myself to you or anyone else. I did my time.

My bad man and FTR I meant to positive rep you on this post and somehow neg repped you so my bad.
I guess being disabled is a pretty good reason to have long hair.

ROFL Yep

Nah, no problem bro, I get amped up here sometimes when i'm drinking. It's all good and maybe I come off as being an ass and don't really mean to be. And to Guardian, you come off as being an arrogant "know it all" jerk in this thread so I'll just apologize on my part as I did kinda attack you. As for the long hair it's been a part of me my whole life and most can see past that and know i'm a good person.

I think more than a few of us have done that a time or two :D

You are a good guy Redneck (even being a raider fan) lol I respect your opinion bro :)

to be honest mad max, one night I was on here hammered, and saw your long hair. I guess I just picked it up and started running :)

Lesnar played for the Minnesota Vikings, where he created controversy in some games by starting minor fights and got heat from the Kansas City Chiefs for a sack on quarterback Damon Huard, which drew a big response from the crowd.[71] Huard was hit hard and had to go to the sidelines and sit out a few plays.[71] After playing in the preseason, Lesnar ended up being a late cut.[12] He declined an invitation to play as a representative of the Vikings in NFL Europa because he wanted to be closer to home with his family

Well votes are in and the Planet predicts Lesnar to win. Most likely unaware that his claim to fame in the NFL was a cheap shot against the Chiefs LMAO

i remember it clearly and will NEVER root for lesnar to win anything:D

really though i do remember it but dont like lesnar because he's a douchebag

Will Shields also slammed him on his ass from what I remember.

I was there. It was about 30 cheap shots. He tried to make up for lack of skill by being a Raider.

Oh....yeah...**** I forgot all about that.

Can not wait for Sat night.

Watched Brock vs Mir II today to get hyped for this weekend. The one-armed full nelson is sure a thing of beauty:

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STEROIDS WILL WIN. Total user and CHEAT.

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Polls closed but I'm going Carwin. I think the layoff and the fact that Carwin is a fighter and Brock is still an entertainer is what makes the difference.

WTF does this post even mean?

:eek::eek::eek: ===> That last hit on the gif.

Talk about a "shit my pants" moment if I was Mir.

Your right, my bad.

I think the layoff, the fact that Carwin is a fight and Brock is still an entertainer, plus the fact that CoMo picked Lesner is what makes the difference.

Yup.....can't wait til someone comes in w/ a chair and Lesnar drops the F5 on Carwin. :rolleyes:

Couple of notes from me, the Super Awesome MMA Expert that knows more than everyone about MMA:

1. I've never seen Brock Lesnar really take a hit. So, it should be interesting to see how rocked he gets if Carwin gets a good shot in.

2. Carwin has never gone more than one round as we all know. So I'm curious to see how his arms are around round 3 and 4. Does he still have the power?

3. Everyone talks about Carwin's power while he punches from short distances. But do you guys remember Frank Mir's face? Or Heath Herring's? They were ****ed up when Brock was done with them. Especially Heath. I think Brock's punching power in under rated.

4. How good is is Shane Carwin's wrestling, really? Can he defend Brock's take down? Can he get up if Brock takes him down?

5. Can Brock keep Shane down? He's never fought anyone that big and strong before.

and lastly, i firmly believe that we'll be able to tell who the winner of this fight will be within the first 2.5 Minutes of round 1. Im not saying it will be over in round 1, but im saying after that 1st 2.5, it should be obvious who will win this fight.

Brock being able to keep Carwin down is the key. if brock just takes him down and works from the top the whole match like he did with Mir, there's not much Carwin will be able to do...

Exactly. Im pulling for Carwin, but that's a big mo fo to have on top of you. and if Carwin is constantly having to pcik himself off the mat, will that exhaust him and make him lose that knock out power that he's known for. And if Brock gets rocked early, how would that affect his ability to actually keep Carwin down?

All I know is....this had better not be a 1 round fight.

ROFL @ Mir <==== (Where the **** am I at right now?!?)

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mir rocked him once, couldn't land on top though...


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I really hope it lives up to the hype, I would rather see someone get KO'd out of the chute than a 25 minute wrestling match

ROFL Well he had enough of his senses to clench his fists to defend himself while brock acted like the asshole that he is

meatloaf sammich!!!! Yumm! :) MAYBE LUNCHMEAT FACE SHOULDA SHUT HIS PIEHOLE!

Guardian says you are reeruned and know absolutely nothing about MMA. Nor do the trainers or any other amateur enthusiasts out there. So just take the gospel and realize the Guardian has called this fight and Lesnar should just stay home. I will therefor not rent this PPV because it is a forgone conclusion. Thanks for the savings :)

that's how ya tenderize meat for the grill :)

I know if that's you in that pic you're an ugly MF'er that's for sure. And stupid looking. You should fight in MMA to see if someone can rearrange your face to make it look better.

And get Brock's nuts out cha mouth.

I'm ok with being ugly and I'm sure I wouldn't stand a chance with an MMA fighter. You little boy are just a total ass. I see you as a Junie Browning type of guy. ROFL!!!!!

i hate leznar. i hope he gets knocked out. if not then Carwin will lose.

If you read through this thread many said Carwin was the real deal and he proved he is. He lost but made Lesnar look beatable~

I think Frank Mir did that once already?

He actually made Lesnar look more impressive. Lesnar got his head beat in and still came back and won and made it look rather easy.

This. He looked like Chris Leben, but with much more talent.

I've never seen a guy turtle up for that long and take that many punches and them not stop the fight. Pretty obvious that Carwin thought the fight would be called because he landed uncontested punch after punch and all Brock did was lay there.

Pretty obvious that Carwin is the better fighter but the ref refused to call it.

thats not what happened at all. Brock was in danger? yes, did he cover up well? yes, did he grab on to his hands and move his hips legs every chance he had while on the bottom? yes. It was close to being covered up, but Brock did enough to convince the ref that he was still ok.

The Ref did a great job. I am not saying his as a fan of Lesnar, i didnt give a shit who won, i like Cain.

Rosenthal is probably one of the better refs in MMA. He was right on top of it and Brock was intelligently defending.

Bro that comes off as sour grapes. Like him or hate him he won fair and square~

In 99 out of 100 fights the ref calls it when the guy turtles up and then the guy on top lands 3,4,5,6 shots uncontested. They don't have to be hard shots. Brock was not intelligently defending himself. Carwin thought the ref would call it, as most did, and he didn't. Carwin punched himself out while Brock turtled up. What's funny is, when they were both fresh Carwin stuffed his take down with ease then showed just how shitty Brock's stand up really is.

Sure. When a guy turtles up and doesn't intelligently defend himself, that's winning fair and square. You bet.

So an "obviously better" fighter should or shouldn't punch himself out in one round?

The fact that Lesner came back to win is proof that the non-stoppage was the right call.

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Well if Carwin was the big hitter you claimed why was Lesnar still awake? Look I am not a fan of Carwin or Lesnar, they strapped leather and Lesnar won~

So as a long time fight fan, you want to see a ref call a fight on a guy that still has a chance to win?

You're a pretender brah. No fight fan would want that.

Because you've already noted that you don't know much about MMA. So I've seen a thousand fights where it was stopped because of those very situations. A guy gets knocked down, and turtles up while the other guy lands punches. They don't have to be big bombs when a guy is turtled up like that. So Carwin punched himself out. If that's what makes Brock great, fine. He turtled up and let a guy punch himself out of gas. Right now Brock's face is swollen shut and Carwin looks like he's about to go out for dinner. People that don't have Lenar's nuts in their mouth knows that should have been stopped in the first.

Don't call me brah you pussy.

Ok, I loathe Lesnar and am already dreading the interminable "Lesnar is Gawd" chatter from the Affliction crowd.

That said, Lesnar won the fight without a doubt. Yes, Carwin kicked the snot out of him in the first round and for a while I thought there would be a stoppage. Every time I saw the ref inch closer Lesnar would kick out or shift his hips to get a better position.

Not only does he survive the barrage but then proceeded to take down and choke Carwin out as if the first round had never happened. The speech after the win did not win any points with me either.

I want to see Lesnar go down just as bad as you do. I long for the day he gets busted for using previously undetectable steroids. But. He won this fight and did so impressively.

Give the man his props and move on.

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Even I did not want the fight called like that. I agree, if it were any fight other than a title bout, that fight would have been called in the first.

Thank God you didn't ref the Ali/Foreman fight.

i gave him props for turtling up and running away when he got hit. He looked like a pro laying there with his hands over his face.

You are showing poor form, and I know enough about fighting to know who won the f&cking fight~

You know jack and shit about MMA. And jack left town. Comparing boxing to mma is ****ing stupid beyond reproach.

You don't know enough about fighting to know that in 100 other fights it's stopped 99 times when that situation occurs. That's why you need to shut the **** up because you don't know what you're talking about here.

Lesnar turtled up and Carwin reigned down blows for 2 minutes while all Brock did was hold his hands over his face. Every other time I've seen that, the fight was called.

Whatever guy you are taking this shit waaaay to personal~

And if any f&cking one needs to shut the f&ck up it is you. You are making an ass out of yourself LMAO

I'll put it like this, if that fight was called in the first no one would have said it was a bad stoppage. Brock's face was smashed in. He got the take down and sub because Carwin punched himself out. Not because Brock did anything special. Notice the difference.

Not for a title bout man. You let them fight till the last bell rings unless someone is near death.

If this were ANY fight other than a title bout, you are right, the fight gets stopped. For a title fight... you can't stop that. Not unless Lesnar was in serious danger.

You argue that Lesnar did not intelligently defend himself. If that was the case, how did he manage to kick Carwin off him not once but twice during that bashing? Lesnar on more than one occasion grabbed at Carwin's head to bring him down, he kept his hips moving, and did enough to convince the ref that he was in control.

You are either trolling hard or you have a serious case of sour grapes.

By chance, are you related to this guy?

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His last 3 fights are stoppages of Coulture, Mir, and Carwin. That can't be a fluke.

agreed. that said it was not called and you are the only one making a big deal about it.

so you are not mad that the fight wasn't called... it's that you feel that Lesnar didn't do anything magical to solidify himself as the Heavyweight champion in your opinion.

something that we should all appreciate as football fans is someone who does not have a glass jaw. this guy took a beating and despite that beating, he had it in him to choke out his opponent.

that is good enough for me.

/still hate him

The rules don't change for a title fight dumbass.

You just said it, then you go on to make yourself look like a dumbass. "Yes in every other fight that gets stopped."

Well duh no ****ing shit sherlock. When a guy covers up and doesn't defend himself outside of covering his face and gets earholed 7 times, that's the ****ing definition of not intelligently defending yourself. Again, if the fight had been stopped everyone would have said it was a fair stoppage. The only people who don't think so are either Lesnar nut huggers or guys who don't know shit about MMA fighting. This thread is pretty much proving that point.

As has been said several times, even once by a non Lesnar fan, the guy was defending himself

Turtling up is not defending yourself while a guy is ear holing you. If he was defending himself then why when he got up were both eyes swollen shit and his face bleeding you ****ing idiot?

Alright friend. I disagree with your opinion.

In a title fight there has always been that "let them play" mentality. Hell, in any championship game in the history of sport, there has been that mentality. I'm telling you right now that while I would not have disagreed with the fight being called, I was glad it was not.

I did not want a stoppage, I wanted to see a clear victor. I'll grant you that I don't have 20 years of martial arts training and through I've been in a few fights, the only formal training I ever received was in the Army. That said, I thought Lesnar did enough to not have the fight stopped.

But again, I am just a lowly weevil on the mountain that is your knowledge on the sport.

Because people tend to swell when they get hit in the face more than a few times? I'm pretty sure they bleed sometimes too.

Because he got hit in the face several times? Im not a doctor but Im guessing thats what happens. But yet he still somehow managed to get up before the end of the round.

If you are intelligently defending yourself you're generally not getting hit over and over again. Which Brock was. People have already noted in this thread that in every other fight that would have been stopped. Then dumbasses say he was defending himself because they don't know a god damned thing about MMA. Why? Because they only recently started watching. It'd be like debating some idiot who says that Larry Fitzgerald is better than Jerry Rice when the guy never saw Rice play. That's what it's like talking about MMA with dumb ****s, like yourself, on here.

Ok, so its about credentials? What if I had watched every single UFC, multiple seasons of TUF, and many more martial arts competitions outside of the US? Oh yeah, and all 4 Karate Kid movies.

Would my opinion hold more weight with you then?

Not any other fighter, but champions will have a little more leash then any other fighter and they SHOULD get that respect. It happens in Boxing and it happens in MMA.

Brock covered up for the flurries, once they were slowed down, he kept busy showing the ref that he wasnt out.

Its that simple. The ref did the RIGHT THING.

Dear Guardian,

Eat my shit, then watch as I pile-drive your mom in the ass.

Sincerely,

Brock Lesnar

I'm hammered......

Brock got beat the **** down and prob was surprised if more than anything the first rd.

At least now he KNOWS he's not invincible, which is a good thing. He will learn from this. Everyone knew Carwin had a better stand up game. But everyone also knew that once it got to the ground w/ Brock on top......Carwin was screwed.

Once Brock put the triangle choke hold on him, the camera actually had a great shot of Carwin's face and his eyes bugged out of his head and you saw the "oh shit" look.

I suspect there will be a re-match of this coming soon within the next year if Lesnar should beat his next opponent. Velasquez has the next shot.

Maybe after that, Fedor will finally sign w/ UFC if he has the balls. Now that he lost to a UFC reject, maybe he will have something to prove who knows.....Dana trashed him this past week saying that the media over-hyped him. Dana is reeruned. Fedor is a great fighter, he just got caught that's all.....it happens in this sport. Fedor is still a top HW fighter, he just needs to fight the cream of the crop. Dana did make a good point that he hasn't fought anyone worthy in the past few years....that may be true....but the guy is still a great fighter....


But like I always have said....once Lesnar gets it to the ground it's pretty much all over for his opponent.

ROFL really?

jesus ****in' christ man........get a ****ing clue. You can take your hours and hours of watching Pride fighting and shove it up your mom's whore canyon of an asshole.

No dipshit, Lesner was was dinged, but not badly hurt. One again, you look like a complete low test, talking out your ass, slack jaw dumb ass. Give up your fly by night, rat soup, Mickey Mouse, MMA takes and take up video games, or water polo, douche bag.

Shhhhhh, how dare you question the all mighty Guardian in anything MMA related!!!!!! I mean he's been watching MMA since your father was a child!

Its obvious that he knows all.

cung le vs scott smith I

What position do they play?

Not a huge fan of either, but why argue over a decission?
None of us were the ref, he made the call.

I'd personally like to see Tim Silva and Brock go at it.

Oh yeah, Guardian, your a ****en tool btw :D
Relax son, or go join the ****en MMA and show us all how it's done Its a sport, just like NFL where sometimes teh dudes implementing the rules don't call it the way you/me/we like it.

Ya need to F.O.C.U.S
(**** off cuz your stupid)