Interesting trade there guys.

BCD gets flacco, sims walker, peyton hillis
weavers gets Drew Brees

Hopefully I pull off 1 more trade before Sunday. Still looking for another RB and have Welker and maybe something else to offer.

Why did you pull your offer to me off the table?

Check your PM.

I need a RB too. Both of my starters are hurt and I'm willing to give up a WR for him.

Only RB I have available is Steve Slaton, 2 years late.

Wow, big trade by the 3-0 teams. Bergers is looking stacked.

Yep, that was a monster. Took us a while to get everything all ironed out for it.

What was the trade?

SHOR trades LaDainian Tomlinson, NYJ RB to Bergers
SHOR trades Santana Moss, Was WR to Bergers
SHOR trades Bears D/ST, Chi D/ST to Bergers
SHOR trades Ryan Mathews, SD RB to Bergers
DUMA trades Jahvid Best, Det RB to Fubar
DUMA trades Lance Moore, NO WR to Fubar
DUMA trades Steelers D/ST, Pit D/ST to Fubar
DUMA trades Fred Jackson, Buf RB to Fubar
DUMA trades Legedu Naanee, SD WR to Fubar

I still think he got better end of the deal

Don't you guys?

To me it looks like he cleaned up. He got 2 starting caliber RB's and a a guy that would be the best WR on the some teams in the league. You got Moore who is probably a one hit wonder and Best has turf toe and may not even play this week. That's a tough injury to get over without taking time off in the season so even if he does play it's up in the air if he will be the same guy. You got a slightly better D, but the Bears are right up there as well so he didn't lose much on that move IMO. I can see why he backed out of the trade with me last week if this was in the works.

But you are doing a hell of a lot better then me so what do I know?

Slightly yes. On the other hand your team isn't exaclty a team full of Duds either. I mean your both in better position than my squad. He tried earlier to offer me Dez Bryant and D. Bowe for M. Floyd and B. Wells. I was already short on backs so it was a no go. I was really counting on Spiller coming up big this year, which now unfortunately doesn't seem to be the case at all unless it's in special teams. So I figure I have to hang onto Wells....especially now that he played last week I figure (or at least hope) it's only a matter of time before he takes the starting nod over Hightower. Lord knows Wells' potential is way higher anyways.

I'm such an FF nerd. I like reading shit like this.


Noose meet neck.

ROFL Aren't we all. I'm a glutton for FF myself.

I'm now hoping that Marshawn Lynch gets traded. Luckily I'm pretty good at waiver wire pick up

Left me really thin at Rb but I needed to make a move.

Shorman... you got ass raped without lube.
Doomy had no choice but to make that trade.

You basically got Best (a rookie inconsistent RB) while giving up Matthews (a potential all star) and Tomlinson (#1 RB in NY) AND McNabb's #1 target.

No Shit really im so pissed at myself. Dumas was annoying the **** out of me today

Yeah, I'm not in contention so I really don't care a whole lot, but that trade may have been borderline veto worthy. Crazy stuff can happen, but that may have just handed him a nice chunk of change.

Oh, give me a break. We were both sending trade offers back and forth the last two days. You wanted Best (as did a lot of other people based on trade offers), and he is far and away the best player in that trade to this point in the season.

Didn't you immediately start doing this same thing after your trade with wutamess pre-draft? Immediately thought you got the short end of the stick.

Are you kidding? This is two 3-0 teams making a trade. Obviously there is no collusion, so why on earth should this have even been considered veto worthy. The only way a trade should ever be vetoed is if there is suspected collusion. Clearly that isn't the case here.

You know you don't have to accept the trade don't you. I have a feeling you were feeling pretty good about the trade until you read what others thought of it.

This.

Doomy... you know you got him in the trade.
And Best ISN'T by far the best player... he and Mathews are/will be virtually equals when it's all said and done.

Of course I like the trade for me, or else I wouldn't have made the deal. Just like you probably liked your pre-draft trade for yourself.

However, Matthews hasn't done anything yet. Of course I like his upside, but Best has clearly outperformed him so far in the year, and is much more explosive.

Seriously, veto the trade?

Exactly.

I agree there was no collusion. I wasn't aware that was the standard for vetoing a trade in this league. It some leagues making such a lopsided trade without collusion can still be vetoed by a vote of the league members or commish. Like I said I'm 0-3 I don't care enough to fight over it.

Right and turf toe is a bitch to get over in season since you aggravate every week you play.

The players I traded to him have put up 240 points so far this year. The players I got from him have put up 147.2.

This is not nearly as lopsided as some of you are making it out to be.

And so are high ankle sprains, which is what Matthews has. We are both taking a risk there.

I said borderline. Apparently in this league collusion is the only reason for vetoing a trade, but in others it's different and being this lopsided would probably at least need a vote among the members.

Which way is it lopsided? 240 points vs. 147.2 points.

Come on man. This was a lopsided trade no matter how you spin it. Just be happy you are on the better end of it.

Lance Moore is not putting up 40 pts ever again and Best already has his best game of the year. You sold high and bought low guys that are more consistent week end and week out. Smart move, I'm not sure why are trying to convince everyone you got the short end of the stick here. Maybe this trade would make for an interesting poll in casino planet.

I guess I view it a little differently. I dont think it is as lopsided as some of the other people, but I definitly think doomy got more upside on his end. But between Lance Moore, who can put up numbers and fast, and Best-when healthy, has good upside too.

Thats the name of the game.

Somewhere Herm is saying "You play to win the game"

I'm not trying to convince anyone I am on the short end of the stick. If I thought that, I wouldn't have made the move. However, it simply isn't as lopsided as what you guys are saying. I have received MANY good offers for Best in this and other leagues. And he wanted Lance Moore. Originally it was for Dez and Bowe. But last time Bush went down, Moore had a great season.

I'm done commenting on this trade, but I just don't like people acting like this is an awful trade or anything, and then ignoring the actual production so far. Yes, I sold high. But, if Best ends up having a Chris Johnson type year, which he could have, then I shouldn't have sold high.

I agree 100%. Great trade for Doomy, barring anything crazy he has the league locked up now IMO. I'm not sure why is so upset, I would be happy if everyone was saying I made a Ricky Williams for an entire tems draft type trade.

That pre-draft trade was pretty even.
Yours aint even in the same ball park.

BTW: I'm not for vetoing the trade just bustin your balls.
It takes 2 sides to make a deal.

Who's to say I didn't already have it locked up before the trade? :D

I was pretty much killing it already. Hopefully this doesn't mess up my locker room chemistry.

It's funny you want to look at it that way, but no, it really wasn't.

That's why someone started a thread on the ESPN site saying you raped him on that. Of course, it probably was more even than people gave it credit for at the time. Much like this one.

Doomy... BCD makes a great point.
We should have the option to vote for trades since we all have a vested interest.
I wouldn't have voted against the trade but since so much is at stake the option would be nice.

Something like you have 24 hours to approve or deny the trade.
majority wins.

I suppose we should have talked about this before you made a trade, or BCD made a trade.

Also, just so everyone knows, shorman specifically asked me to get this pushed through for this week's games before he would accept it. He wanted this pushed through.

You had a hole at WR2 and Cutler playing in Chicago come playoff time. You may have been pretty close already, but you for sure increased your chances.

Yeah I know. That's why I almost accepted your deal last week for Brees and Welker.

You know, the one that you thought the other members would be upset about you making, even though you liked it for your team.

I thought the site gave you the option to vote. That's fine, but because someone wants to trade me AP for James Stewart doesn't mean it's fair to the league.

You're right.. just wondering.

I didn't say I liked it. As a matter of face I said you were getting the better of it and I wanted to explore other options first that were more beneficial to me. I see why you backed out though once I said that if you had this in the works.

"Looks good to me. Let me see if I hear back from this other person before I accept it. Can you give me until tomorrow?" BCD, last week.

I ended up rejecting it because I was coming off a 250 point week where Best went off, and didn't want to make a deal.

This deal wasn't in the works in any way until shorman made me an offer at the beginning of the week this week.

What about my quote about it being a "desperation move , me being 0-3". You have that quote too right? :)

Anyways. Here is what the email I got said.

"This trade will process at approximately Oct 1, 6:34 PM ET pending a veto by the league members.To review this trade and cast your vote to veto or allow it, click here:http://games.espn.go.com/ffl/pendingtrades?leagueId=204748"

Yes, that is the ESPN default. I pretty much hate leagues where people veto trades simply because they don't like it for THEIR team, which is what is going on here.

I am trading players who have put up 100 more points over 3 weeks.

I am getting guys who will hopefully live up to pre-draft expectations in Matthews, and upgrading at WR2.

This simply isn't as lopsided as you are making it out to be, and should not, under any circumstances, be vetoed. That's why I pushed it through. Well, that and the fact that the person I made the deal with asked that it be pushed through immediately. Plus, we haven't voted on any trade so far this year, and won't vote on any trade this year, unless there is a question of collusion.

Dude I didn't want to do this trade and you know it. Plus you would have pushed it through anyways because it favor you so heavily. Also, how many email you sent me after I said no for the first three times? I got tired of the annoying bickering between emails. Just be a true sport and do something about it.

I don't understand how you can't say no. I said no to a trade from him earlier and it ended there.

No one makes you accept trades. This makes no sense to me at all.

I agree. You(Shorman) are the one that checked the accept box. It was a poor decsion and now you have to own up to it. He didn't hack your account and check the box for you.

Dude you can't be an indian giver.
No matter how much he bugged the shit out of you you still had the final say-so.
[/Sending multiple emails your way after I submit this post.]

I don't think you want me to post our email chain to show that you're a liar.

I have dealt with many/most people in this league in trades in years past. I'm not some asshole who forced you to take a deal you didn't want.

By the way, is showman= chiefscafan?

Guys, i'm sorry how I acted. I'm tired about 10 hours total of sleep for three days in a row. Stress because of college. I'll move on from this and who knows LT 31 he could get injured.

Don't sweat it man.

Trade you Brodie Croyle for Mike Vick????? :)

I'm curious, how many people think that:

Chris Johson + Mike Tolbert/Cadillac < Best + Deangelo Williams

If you are talking a trade, Best and Williams will probably be better over the long haul IMO, but with that toe Best scares me a little. Tolbert won't be playing much once Matthews comes back and Cadillac's numbers are horrible and about to get worse since they are wanting to get Blount involved more.

Yes, in this instance I would definitly say that the combo of Best and Williams is a lot better than CJ, Tolbert, Caddy.

With Best and Williams you get two starters opposed to having to play Tolbert/Caddy, which have zero value right now. I wouldn't start either of them at a flex let alone a RB2.

Caddy has been under productive and will more than likely stay that way. Tolbert maybe...maybe has one more relevant week left in him, but I doubt that too since Matthews practiced today and is slated to start.

CJ is good, we all know that, but I would hate to have to start one or even both Tolbert/Caddy.

Not knowing your team Best-Williams sounds like an upgrade.

Best's toe scares me tool. I guess I have a terrible ffb mind or something but I just can't pull the trigger on any of the 50 different offers around this I have been getting from doomy all week.

You know Best is starting this week don't you?

What is your team name?

It's a different league.

You know what I went through. Harrassing SOB.

But he didn't pull the trigger.

Did you tell him that you weren't interested in trading? I would rather be harrassed that ignored.

Oh, just shut the **** up already. You have got to be the biggest baby ever to play fantady football. I'm not sure how it is "harassing" you when you keep sending counter offers, or ranking the trade offers I am sending as 4 or 5 stars and saying, "let's keep trying. We're getting close." Or, "Are you going to be online in 15 minutes so we can chat about a deal some more?"

You are being a complete liar and are making an ass out of yourself. If I were you, I would quit while you are behind, or else I can post all the emails you sent me to show everyone the liar you are.

And as far as Josh, I'm not harassing him at all, and have dealt with him before. His exaggeration of 50 offers is a bit much, but at least he's s good dude.

No, he never said that. We countered back and forth and he was ranking trade offers of 4 or 5 stars. He just wants to make a fool of himself in this thread.

Dude your whole intent of trading with me was too basically rape me. Can you admit that? I know it was dumb to say yes too, but still if I would said no like I did the first time. You were like wait thought there was a deal all annoyingly. I know I made mistake but damn you wouldn't budge which got annoying. I guess that you strategy and it worked.

I have no idea what you are trying to say, but please quit lying. You wouldn't have been sending me counters and ranking my trade offers at 4 or 5 stars if you weren't interested in trading. Quit being dishonest, and move on.

This is a money league and you accepted a trade because he was bugging you?

You're a ****ing reerun.

Dude I have more shit to do then play fantasy football

That's the dumbest excuse I've ever heard.

If you don't have the time....then why are you investing $100 into a league? And seriously? You accepted a trade because he wouldn't stop bugging you? If I was the commish.....I'd boot your ass from the league.

Dude 100$ isn't that much in my pockets lol.

That's not why he accepted it. He wanted to do the deal and now he's being a lying douche.

Whatever, I'm done responding to this bullshit.

FYI I think shorman is chiefscafan.