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An excellent point, but it also addresses the fact that the last two drafts were offensive line talent rich, and the Chiefs did virtually nothing to address that need, and even though we beat the Chargers tonight, it's still a major need. The O-line didn't look that good tonight and the Chargers have a lot of needs on defense, especially on their front seven. We'll see a lot better defenses as the season progresses than what we saw tonight.

We can only hope he'll be that good. I'll be happy if he produces like he did at Iowa. And McCluster is a nice player I'll wait for Clayton to show his ass saying he was comparable to Kris Wilson.

[QUOTE=Reaper16;7003735]Mecca gets called out for "not enjoying the win" because he defends himself from a poster that, instead of enjoying the win, starts a thread so he can enjoy trolling? I don't want to be posting in this thread right now, but here I am because stupid shit is being said. That's why Mecca is in here too.[/QUOT

I have not been here since the draft. What I remember is Mecca and other's killing the draft mainly because of the players that had a large impact in the win tonight. That is why dude started the thread, because of how extremely adamant they were about these being shitty picks. Feel me?

[QUOTE=Bunit;7003883]Please stop saying "feel me" and "holla".

Akeem Ayers>Von Miller.

ROFL

make it stop. make it stop.

Look I liked DeMaryius Thomas as a prospect but really calm it down a bit. He has to learn the NFL game coming out of that offense.

[QUOTE=Mecca;7003885]Feel me, really man. Are you that lame? Just asking Reaper if he's catching my drift. Feel me, Mecca? Holla.

He caught three passes ( I know, splitting hairs) and had a lot more than just one good block.

If we had a quarterback he would have had a much bigger game. But, yeah, I know that goes for the whole team.

For a rookie in his first NFL game, he played great.

Yeah, I get why Hootie started the thread (and it goes deeper than your explanation and into something more pathological).

The reasons why some posters "killed the draft" was for reasons that have little to do with the win tonight. Long-term thinking vs short-term thinking.

Considering that two of the worst situations that the Chiefs faced last year was in the return game and the nickle package, I thought that the drafting of Arenas was pretty savvy. The Chiefs got raped when the went nickle last year and almost every team we faced did just that because of it. As well, we couldn't gain shit on special teams. Our field positions absolutely sucked donkey nuts. Arenas cures both of those ills. He was solid tonight in pass coverage and returns, which really helped the Chiefs to the win.

I really don't have a problem with the Chiefs offensive personnel outside of QB, like I said if you give this team a competent QB and a legit pass rusher they're a playoff team.

I wish I had a DVR. I wanna' go back and just watch his blocking now. Maybe GoChiefs will GIF UP his blocks.

Yeah, but this draft may fit into long-term thiking.

Has anyone ever seen Hootie this excited? I haven't since they decided to build a WalMart in his town.

A 6'3'' 230 pound WR with a 40 inch vertical and 4.3 speed is Calvin Johnson type ability.

I hope so. I didn't, and still don't, think that McCluster and Arenas will be productive players relative to their draft slots in two years. I hope I'm wrong about it, though.

I'm watching the Tonight show but find you much more entertaining. Think I'm just going to turn off the TV and wait for you to post some more.

Did you eat mushrooms tonight?

I might have been one of only 15 or so people with the info I shared predraft about Ferentz' thoughts about Moeaki being the best tight end he had ever coached (even after coaching Dallas Clark) and got asked for links over and over about the comment and then a few weeks later an article arose indicating the endorsement he gave about the kid, but never saying exactly what he said, just that he endorsed him heavily. I shared that with the Planet because I have a bunch of friends with inside ties to the actual team and was told the info about an hour after the comment was made in private.

Kid is gonna be a stud and an absolute steal if he can stay healthy. Worth every bit of a 4th rounder and a late 5th.

I remember me and mecca having a long debate about the kid and how he kept asking me why I keep talking about this kid thats only the 18th ranked tight end in the class. If he can stay on the field, everyone will know why I keep talking about him.


Orakpo anyone?

Too bad we didnt keep Thigpen, too. He is progressing pretty well in Miami. May never be more than a very solid #2, but that is more than we have presently.

Have you seen the guy play? He's a much more complete player than Miller is.

do you believe in the tooth fairy and santa claus too?


Dude didnt even run the 40 because of his foot.

I can show you reports where Myron Rolle ran a 4.4 ...doesnt mean it happened

I won't dispute that Thomas is gifted but he's no where near being someone who will do it this year.

His career if he ever becomes good will look like Vincent Jacksons where he didn't do much early in his career.

Let's be serious...Weigmann might have been the most underrated center/offensive lineman in the NFL over the past decade or so, but he's old for the NFL at this point and they could have addressed that position and both tackle spots in the past two drafts.

And we all know that while Cassel is a very dedicated guy, he isn't burning any barns down.

Next years draft could give them the pass rusher and the QB in the first two rounds that would help propel this team to the next level. It's just a shame that they pissed away a chance at a very solid offensive line in the process.

Interior lineman are not difficult to replace if you actually attempt to do it...there's also no need to be using high picks on RT's.

Honestly, after week one and tonight, do Hamas and Mecca have any credibilty left??

Jacksonville? Really?

Good work over there kid.

He's a nice player, but he isn't Miller. (And, for the record, if I emember correctly, Derrick Thomas had the same minor criticisms that Miller has about his game.)

Miller has a legitimate insane first step. It's one of those freakish things.

As far as a pass rusher goes, he's about as good as it gets as it relates to his level. That may or may not translate to the NFL, but he's the best pure pass rusher at the college level, and in a 3-4, that's what you want out of your ROLB.

I think he can be effective in the redzone and on deep routes. There aren't many CB's in the NFL who will win a one on one matchup with DT on a jumpball. He is just too big, too strong, and too athletic.

Maybe he does..but you know what kinda OLB's these NE guys like and Ayers is much closer to it than Miller is.

I would give him more credit than you.

Probably. And that's why we won't draft a left tackle, an outside pass rusher or a quarterback in the first round. The "Patriots Way" doesn't value the value positions.

I expect a OLB or a WR in next years draft...I still don't see this Cassel thing being over after this year.

Derrick Thomas (rip) does not play for you bundle of stickss. How many people have to tell you this?

If he has many more statlines that read like tonight's I'd imagine it will be. They won't win many games.

There are two things that suck about tonights win. #1 QB play was sub par. #2 If it wasn't for DMC return we would of lost on a last second FG by the Chargers.

It was bad, very bad. So bad in fact you could just see in the playcalling what Charlie Weis thought of him.

I really want the team to be good but we can't win with this QB.

Chiefs had a ****ing great win and this is the thread douchebag Hootie starts. What a piece of shit ****ing troll.

Agreed. Kansas City ripped the ****ing stage as a whole we showed why we're the best fans in the league. 6 wins the last 2 years and yet that place was so loud I heard that you couldn't even hear the announcers on the tv. Plus this rookie class looks ****ing good along with the 2008 class we all should be very proud to be Chiefs fans.

I didn't click on this thread last night cause I knew exactly what it was, and it is why I started my thread.

We won the game.

I don't give a rat's ass whe was right and who was wrong about any player, the draft, or anything else.

I could sit here and point out a couple players in that game that I've given my opinions about and say "Look at me, I was right", but I just don't care.

It was a win.

Only a douche needs to start this kind of thread after that win.

I will say this.

I won't point to a player that I have discussed about in negative terms who showed he is what I think he is in this game.

I will point to Javier Arenas, though, and say, if he continues to give us the field position he did last night, and he grows as the nickleback, after playing the position last night pretty well overall, then I will happily admit that I was wrong about that pick.

I like the crawfishing MFer :) has there been a Dane sighting today or did his negative vag explode with a win?

FWIW, the Patriots have invetsed very little in the way of high draft picks on OLine during the Belichick era.

Matt Light was a high 2 (2001).

Mankins was the last pick in the first round (2005, I think it was).

Vollmer was a late 2, taken after we had 3 other 2nd round picks (2009).

And that, I think, might be it for OL picks used in the first three rounds over 10 years. 30 picks, and 3 on OLine.

They beileve in "coaching them up" and think that you don't need any kind of rare size/speed/power combo that is only available high in the draft to get a serviceable player.

It's also NOT where they have spent their free agent dollars. Instead, they let Damien Woody go when he was a FA and too pricey, and early in BB's years with the Pats they cut the high priced OLinemen that we had.

Don't think you can draw that conclusion from the Patriots draft, except maybe at OLB.

QB -- Pats haven't needed one since BB has been in charge and Brady was the man, which is basically his entire tenure. You think we should spend a hihg pick on QB?!?

Left Tackle has been all set since we spent a high 2 on Matt Light. Light is getting older and his potential replacement was another 2, SeaBass Vollmer.

OLB, yeah, no argument. In fact, many Pats fans are very, very unhappy about the lack of investment made in draft picks on OLB. Of course, we wouldn't be screwed if ADalius Thomas hadn't shat the bed, but whatever, that's where we are.

It's hard to take anything Hootie says seriously with that asinine way he posts
With one line...

and another....

with a bunch of stupid dots after each line....

Denver plays Indy, Houston and Sandy Eggo twice. You're already below 75%.

Monday Night Football Schedule for the Drafturbators (all times EST)

7:00 Turn on computer, turn on Jets game. Crack knuckles in preparation of typing in all the great things Sanchez does in the game.
7:01-10:15 Sit in silence. Post nothing in the Jets/Ravens thread.
10:16 p.m. Say a quick prayer that Cassel plays as bad as Sanchez so you can save some face.
10:20 "Cassel's first pass sucked ass".
10:21-1:15 a.m Sit in frustration as KC hangs to a lead. Occasional posts about Cassel still sucking, although having the lead takes away from some game enjoyment. Oh, if only Matt could take a sack and fumble the ball. Drat, they won.
1:16 a.m. porn search.
1:30 a.m.- 3:00 a.m. argue with Hootie that he can't just enjoy the win.

Careful. I made a joke like that last night on the game thread and that ****ing troll pos repped me for it. Dude should have his posting privileges suspended on game days.

JFC!

What a useless ****ing tool you are.

There isn't one single Chief fan here who isn't happpy that the Chiefs won.

Just shut the **** up.

Eat a dick.

There are people who spend 99% of their time on this board repeating ad nauseum - Cassel sucks, this organization doesn't draft a QB, blah blah blah. Even if it is true, every single god damn post has to have one of their comments. It doesn't matter what the conversation is about, it's always Cassel sucks. So yes, I think some of those people are much happier when things go bad so they can say "I told you so."

You're a useless ****ing moron.

You can still eat a dick.

I wouln't know how.

Perhaps you can volunteer to show me how it's done.

The actual fact is that every ****ing negative post about this game that I've seen is someone taking shots at the "drafturbators", and the "drafturbators" simply responding to those stupid ****ing posts.

Not a single negative comment I've seen has been a "drafturbator" pushing an agenda.

ROR's thread entitled "The weakest link?"

I don't think of RoR as a "drafturbator".

He's more like a groupie.

Yeah, the first pass was a shot downfield....he doesn't trust him at all.

Look, did Cassel light it up? No, but there were three drops and Chambers lost the ball in the lights on one and slowed up on the route.

I don't know if you noticed, but if not, Dilfer mentioned it a hundred times.... Rivers struggled as well.

The difference is that the Chiefs had a 14 point lead, and could be conservative, the Chargers were trailing by 14 points and had to pass.

If this were normal weather, or if the Chiefs were down 14 points, I would say it was an indication of how the Chiefs felt about Cassel.

But, neither were the case. The Chiefs were ahead. It was a sloppy, sloppy field, and they had no reason to open it up.

The defense played well, the special teams played awesome.... and Haley and Weis knew that the odds were with them if they played conservatively.

The Chiefs didn't go into a shell offensively until it started to rain.... and this wasn't a slight shower.... it was a freaking downpour.

So, no, it doesn't say that Weis has no confidence in Cassel.

Please show me any person on this board who actually posts opinions and hasn't been wrong.

Now, the problem is that some guys admit they were wrong, and some guys continue to make excuses for why they look wrong at the moment.

The reality is that we are fans. We all see things differently, and that allows us to be right about something that everyone else misses occasionally and we hold onto that, and think we have some 'great' insight.

But, their credibility is about the same as everyone else's on here. Of course, they still act like they know more than everyone else.... but that is more of a character flaw than anything else.

Light it up? Downfield he wasn't getting within 5 yards of a receiver.

Rivers struggled and threw for 300 yards and 2 touchdowns.

a) Rivers is a much better QB.
b) San Diego's D didn't let receivers go completely uncovered - Gates in the first quarter, TD pass and the long ball that Berry screwed up. You probably have about 100 yards passing there.

Downfield, he had three drops. He had a back shoulder pass that Bowe should have caught. He had two other 'contested' drops. But the Chiefs don't have any guys that are going to get great separation.... so, most of the downfield passes will be contested.

And, one that you probably thought Cassel overthrew, Chambers gave up on. It would have hit him in stride. He just couldn't find the ball in the air.

Rivers had to throw. I don't know if you noticed. I am not saying that Rivers and Cassel are equal. I would rather have Rivers, obviously. But, Cassel had no reason to press the issue.

The other part here is that the Chiefs didn't need to push it downfield. They had a lead in a monsoon, at home, on Monday Night with a defense that was playing well and special teams that were outstanding.

Once again, to balme Bowe for two "drops" is incredibly stupid.

the first "drop" was a fluttering rainbow (not Cassel's fault, he was hit as he released the ball) that Bowe adjusted to and nearly made a great play on between two defenders, but the trailing defender was able to get his hand in to knock the ball down before Bowe could secure.

The second "drop" was a well thrown, well placed ball that bowe simply could not plant his feet into the wet turf in order to adjust to the ball, and all he could do was throw his arms back in a attempt to swipe the ball out of the air.

If he had been able to make that catch, it would have been a spectacular catch, given the conditions.

I am curious as to where Dane is? He predicted Mathews would run for 170 and catch for another 50. Strange how those guys forget what they post after they are wrong.

The inability to go downfield almost cost them the game.

Cassel did not play well, bottom line, he also didn't play that bad all things considered. He needs to play better for KC to reach their potential.

Is this sarcasm?

Post #196 in this thread.

I completely disagree. Good teams, teams that win championships, go for the throat. They don't sit on a lead, go 3 and out and place their D in bad situations again and again. They needed to push the chains.

Odd, no mention of the run defense.

That.

No, Cassel didn't play well.

But in the plays I'm discussing here, while I think it's stupid to blame Bowe for the "drops", I want to be sure that people understand that Cassel was in no way at fault either.

he took his ball and went home

he showed up...

but it was respectful dane with no cursing or being a dick..

because he was not only wrong...

he was COMPLETELY wrong...

You play to win the game!

Exactly, it isn't fair to give Bowe drops on those two. The one he caught, was a poor throw as well. Hopefully this QB will learn to put the ball in spots, instead of just in the area.

The reason they killed the draft is that they wanted short-term fixes. The biggest bitches were that a team in our position can't waste picks on luxury players. Maybe those picks weren't made because of our position. They were made because they were the most talented players on the board.

Do you pretend to be Mecca when you jackoff?

**** you. I was in this thread last night and said I was wrong his numbers. Of course, I don't check the KC weather and if I had any idea it would be raining, I would have revised that prediction.

Matthews only accounted for 75 yards on the ground.

Now go **** your mother, Assclown.

He had half our receiving yards, our only TD, and at least a couple of great seal blocks. That's a great debut.

Who are you?