Originally Posted by CrazyHorse (Post 7180132)

Truth is CP is incapable of deveoping a new QB. Matt Cassel is proof of that.

Originally Posted by ROR (Post 7178956)

lol, wut?! I guess he'll be "developed" by 32?

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 7180153)

When he was acquired: "He'll hit the ground running (literally) with this oline."

Originally Posted by stevieray (Post 7180163)

what they really meant.

Originally Posted by CrazyHorse (Post 7180132)

He's better than this time last year. Thats all I mean by that.

In other words, there is no reason to think it wont continue. Same as any developmental player that would come in. ]

Truth is CP is incapable of deveoping a new QB. Matt Cassel is proof of that.

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 7180168)

QBs who hold the ball too long, however, make an average line look poor.

Originally Posted by Samson (Post 7178987)

He's an average quarterback, and we still have a below average defense.

He's proved he can score a go-ahead touchdown, on the road, in the 4th quarter, against a division rival...but our defense has constantly proved they CANNOT consistently hold a team when it really matters.

He's an average quarterback, and we still have a below average defense.

Originally Posted by Norman Einstein (Post 7179057)

Too bad you can't see it right to give Cassel a chance with that faith. He is 9games into a new offense, a new offense for the 3rd time in 2 years. You expect a freaking miracle just because we have a better defense than we've had for many years.

What if....

the Chiefs somehow make it to the playoffs, is Cassel still crap?

the Chiefs win one or more games in the playoffs, is Cassel still crap?

the Chiefs make it to the Super Bowl this year and Cassel wins MVP. Is he still crap?

All of you on the left side of the fence will say yes and will be willing to ship him off because he doesn't meet your expectations. Have you ever wondered if he meets the expectations of the Chiefs administration?

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 7180168)

LMAO.

The o-line criticism is overstated, however. You don't have the top rushing team in the league (for much of the season) with a terrible line. QBs who hold the ball too long, however, make an average line look poor.

Originally Posted by Pawnmower (Post 7180181)

QB's who hold the ball too long generally dont have the fewest sacks in the NFL....

Cassel has done a decent job getting rid of the ball.

Originally Posted by Norman Einstein (Post 7179057)

Have you ever wondered if he meets the expectations of the Chiefs administration?

Originally Posted by ROR (Post 7180184)

Defense and Special Teams and even the running game can't win every game. When it's time to pass, you have to get those completions, even if you're not a "passing team". Now granted, last week's defensive anomaly( yep, I'm going with "anomaly" because I better not EVEN see that kind of "Pinkel Quit"-horseshit from this squad one more ****ing time)completely screwed the pooch, but the first half offensively speaks to the point.
Consistency and balance were sorely lacking against Dungver.



ROFLROFLROFL Oh....oh...ROFLROFL....thanks dude, I needed that.

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 7180168)

LMAO.

The o-line criticism is overstated, however. You don't have the top rushing team in the league (for much of the season) with a terrible line. QBs who hold the ball too long, however, make an average line look poor.

Originally Posted by patteeu (Post 7180251)

It's much improved over last year, but it's still a fragile work in progress.

Originally Posted by Norman Einstein (Post 7180177)

CP? Peterson was gone before we acquired Cassel if my memory is correct. Scot Pioli was in charge when Cassel was brought in.

Originally Posted by Norman Einstein (Post 7180201)

Didn't read the whole post did ya?

Missed the What if...

Just pointing out that no matter what Cassel might do people like you would dismiss his achievements. He might as well quit right now and find a team that has fans that would appreciate what his tasks are and how he is handling them, that surely can never happen in KC.

Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 7180300)

what team's fans appreciate shitty QBs more than the Chiefs?

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 7180313)

How can you possibly say this after he just threw for 475 yards and 27 TDs in a win against the Broncos?

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 7180313)

How can you possibly say this after he just threw for 475 yards and 27 TDs in a win against the Broncos?

Originally Posted by Sully (Post 7178173)

I'll need to see;
1) evidence of him being trusted to read a defense
2) him actually reading a defense
3) the ability to avoid pressure, and still complete a pass
4) the ability to step into a pass rush and complete a pass
5) the ability to throw accurately 3-yards +
If I begin to see those five things regularly, I'll begin to turn the corner on him. It wouldn't be the finished product I'd ideally like, but enough to show that he could one day be good enough. I'm rooting for him, but have seen none of these enough to believe he'll ever get there.

Originally Posted by ROR (Post 7180321)

Has there EVER been a greater argument for stats being absolute garbage?

Originally Posted by Brock (Post 7180402)

Grbac is fine, he just needs more time and better players - Cassel backers 10 years ago

Originally Posted by Brock (Post 7180402)

Grbac is fine, he just needs more time and better players - Cassel backers 10 years ago

Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 7180300)

what team's fans appreciate shitty QBs more than the Chiefs?

Originally Posted by Pawnmower (Post 7180181)

QB's who hold the ball too long generally dont have the fewest sacks in the NFL....

Cassel has done a decent job getting rid of the ball..

Originally Posted by MadMax (Post 7180437)

When you throw 2-3 yard passes that's a gimme.

Originally Posted by Micjones (Post 7180516)

He's averaging 7 yards per attempt (more than Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, Mark Sanchez, Carson Palmer, Ryan Fitzpatrick and Matt Ryan). Don't let that get in the way of your argument though.

It's quicker and easier to suggest he's only checking down.

As you were.

Originally Posted by Gif Horse (Post 7180531)

The Denver game is COMPLETELY skewing the statistics right now.

He averaged 8.8 yards per attempt on FIFTY-THREE attempts.

Before last week's game he was averaging 6.6 YPA which would be near the bottom of the NFL.

Thank you for playing.

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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 7180402)

Grbac is fine, he just needs more time and better players - Cassel backers 10 years ago

Originally Posted by Gif Horse (Post 7180305)

No one should ever listen to anything Norman Einstein has to say about Chiefs quarterbacks. For crying out loud, he went around supporting Tyler ****ing Thigpen.

Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 7180300)

what team's fans appreciate shitty QBs more than the Chiefs?

Originally Posted by Norman Einstein (Post 7180564)

5-4 record and #9 on the top 10 list of QB's in the league. Shitty? I suggest that your opinion falls short of being accurate.

Originally Posted by CrazyHorse (Post 7180289)

cp=chiefsplanet, einstein

cp is incapable of the patience needed to rebuild a team.

year 2 into a rebuild they are nit picking a program and players that are both showing progress from year 1 to year 2.

Originally Posted by Norman Einstein (Post 7180560)

Nobody should listen to you.

Originally Posted by Micjones (Post 7180544)

Sure, let's strike an entire game out... Wait...
Then we'd have to do that for the rest of the league and there's a chance that he WOULDN'T be near the bottom of the NFL.

Thanks for thinking.

Originally Posted by Norman Einstein (Post 7180564)

5-4 record and #9 on the top 10 list of QB's in the league. Shitty? I suggest that your opinion falls short of being accurate.

Originally Posted by Bewbies (Post 7180568)

LMAO

If you actually watch the games and still think he's anything more than barely backup material you're blind.

Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 7180576)

- ahem, shut your mouth - is a flaming d-bag

Originally Posted by Norman Einstein (Post 7180577)

Considering we don't have anyone on the team better it would be hard to think anything different.

Apparently you haven't been watching the games. There is improvement. IIRC he has fewer sacks than most QB's in the league and fewer interceptions than most.

I don't claim he is the second coming of Joe Montana in his prime, but he is certainly not the piece of shit that most here seem to think he is.

Originally Posted by Gif Horse (Post 7180570)

Well I certainly had Tyler ****ing Thigpen pegged, as he was summarily shipped off to Miami to rot as a third stringer.

I admit I was initially wrong about Cassel but I've changed my tune now that it's obvious what he was.

You, on the other hand, seem to suck off any quarterback that comes along.

First Thigpen, now Cassel.

Great track record, Tom.

Originally Posted by Norman Einstein (Post 7180581)

the talking ass is nothing more than a little girl with her panties in a knot. so fkg what, you don't like Cassel. Who you gonna put in? Broken Croyle? Hamhock Johnson?

Originally Posted by Bewbies (Post 7180584)

The only thing top 10 about Cassel is his contract. It's almost as bad as McNabb's new one.

He's horrible. HE IS THE ENTIRE REASON we will not win a playoff game. Not this year, not next year, not the year after.

I bet if we signed Jeff George you'd tell us how awesome he is now too.

Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 7180591)

t-o-m cash is a d-bag

Originally Posted by Norman Einstein (Post 7180599)

Are you aware that your opinion has no impact on anything other that the shit in your mouth?

LMAO

Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 7180602)

tom, we all think you're a d-bag

Originally Posted by Norman Einstein (Post 7180605)

I doubt that but your opinions still mean nothing. I guess you think more of your opinion than I do.

Good luck with that.

Originally Posted by Norman Einstein (Post 7180597)

You would lose that bet, but don't let facts deter you.

Quarterback Rating Leaders - Qualified
RK PLAYER TEAM ATT COMP PCT YDS YDS/A LONG TD INT SACK RATE YDS/G
1 Michael Vick, QB PHI 153 96 62.7 1350 8.82 88 11 0 15 115.1 225
2 David Garrard, QB JAC 180 125 69.4 1440 8.00 52 15 7 17 104.9 180
3 Philip Rivers, QB SD 329 215 65.4 2944 8.95 59 19 8 22 102.9 327
4 Tom Brady, QB NE 304 196 64.5 2176 7.16 65 17 4 13 98.8 242
5 Vince Young, QB TEN 140 81 57.9 1090 7.79 71 10 3 12 97.6 136
6 Ben Roethlisberger, QB PIT 158 99 62.7 1304 8.25 53 9 4 12 97.1 261
7 Kyle Orton, QB DEN 350 217 62.0 2806 8.02 71 16 5 21 96.4 312
8 Tony Romo, QB DAL 213 148 69.5 1605 7.54 69 11 7 7 94.9 268
9 Matt Cassel, QB KC 267 158 59.2 1881 7.05 53 16 4 15 94.5 209
10 Peyton Manning, QB IND 386 248 64.2 2663 6.90 73 16 4 12 93.9 296

Cassel is not as bad as you think. What are you going to do if he does happen to get the Chiefs into the playoffs? or further?

Basically my point is that none of the people proclaiming to know what is going on doesn't have a clue. If they did I'm sure they wouldn't sitting their ass talking shit on the internet.

Originally Posted by Norman Einstein (Post 7180586)

Thigpen played better than any of the QB's we had on the team when he was promoted. Cassel is not as bad as you want him to be.

Originally Posted by MadMax (Post 7180419)

Hell, Bono even had decent games LOL!!!

Originally Posted by Bewbies (Post 7180609)

Your list is very accurate. Anyone who watches football knows that David Gerrard is better than Brady, Manning, Brees, Rivers, Rodgers, Ryan and on and on and on.

How about this. Which current NFL QB's would you keep Cassel over?

Originally Posted by Norman Einstein (Post 7180628)

As I don't really have a choice it's a moot question. Regardless of who I would pick we would still have Cassel. All I can really do is hope that he get's his game on and if he stays in KC that he does the job we need. If he doesn't stay in KC then it again is a moot point.

As it is we have Cassel and some also rans. We are not getting anyone on the list this year. I don't think worrying about it is something that will help me, the Chiefs or anyone else.

Originally Posted by Bewbies (Post 7180638)

I'm sure Colts fans would give a similar answer to this.

Cassel is a top QB but I can't name anyone he's better than!! LMAO

Originally Posted by Norman Einstein (Post 7180649)

I didn't say there weren't any better, per your question: [b]Which current NFL QB's would you keep Cassel over?]/b] it is pointless as we have Cassel and none of the top 20, other than Cassel are coming to KC this year and most likely next.

Why spend the energy wishing for something that will never happen?

Originally Posted by patteeu (Post 7178825)

Of course it is, but in those games even poor QB play is enough to win it.

Originally Posted by Micjones (Post 7178910)

There's no balance to this discussion about Matt Cassel.
It's either extreme right or extreme left.

There are people who claim he's unable to hit an open target.
The same people fail to give him credit when he does in a game like last week. They say it's because he's facing softer coverage, but why should that matter if he's so inaccurate?

Then on the other side there are those who never criticize him. They ignore the over/underthrows. They ignore how quickly he gets uncomfortable with pressure around him. They turn a blind eye to him hanging on to the ball too long.

I'm not a fan of Matt Cassel, but I can criticize him when he deserves it...
And praise him when he deserves it.

QB's stink up the joint against Prevent defenses every week.
It was maddening to see people ignore a 4 TD game (with no INT's) entirely.

I'll be the first one to tell you that that success should've come earlier in the game, but I'll never turn my nose up to that kind of performance entirely.

He's not the answer long-term. I think this team should draft a QB come April, but I also think he's done good things this year.

He has just as many TD's as he did in '09...with only a fourth as many INT's.
And there are still 7 left to play. He's also completing just under 60% of his passes. Give credit where credit is due.

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 7178927)

Chris Chambers would be a pro bowler with Sanchez?

There would be a better pass rush? The D wouldn't completely cave in like they did against Denver and the Texans? Special teams would suddenly return to the level they played the first two weeks of the year?

Originally Posted by KC Fish (Post 7179079)

I agree with this. Especially the bolded part. Except, I don't think there's any chance in hell that they'll change up what they're doing and let Cassel try and throw farther down the field. If he were capable of it without hundreds of sacks and INTs, then they'd be doing it. The only reason they would have for holding back the vertical passing game is if it were a direct detriment to their progress. The coaches aren't going to put Cassel in a position where they feel he might fail.

And that's my main criticism of Cassel. I don't want a QB with this expensive of a contract, that requires the rest of the offense to be scaled back to a level that makes us easier to defend against. We've seen over the last few weeks what kind of position that can put us in. Right now, the way we're playing, unless the running game is working well, our offense is fairly neutered. And while Cassel isn't bad enough that he's single-handedly losing games, he's still not good enough to overcome any kind of struggles in other areas of the offense.

Originally Posted by sportsshrink (Post 7178940)

We spent a 2nd rd on this guy and it must be understood that when Pioli brought this guy over they saw him as a rookie "NOT" as seasoned veteran. This is how upper mgmt is looking at this guy and why they are so patient.

He had only 1 season under his belt with a very superior cast around that allowed him to show his potential. "IF" Cassel doesn't take advantage of that superior cast around him then he is just a b/u QB. The problem is that his first yr here he went from a superior O-line to a "high school line" which would scar "anybody" and would take time to trust your line even if you get the time. This is why I feel he misses WRs so wide open when there is no pressure. He got spoiled in NE and was in the shotgun much of the time which didn't help. Also we must remember he just doesn't have that many snaps under center from a legit O-line until this yr.

Does he play like a back-up? Yes! And like alot of you I just sit back and shake my head. He needs to start working through the pressure of being an NFL QB.

Originally Posted by Bewbies (Post 7180676)

Who is Cassel better than? You said he's a top 10 QB and you won't tell anyone who he's better than.

I'll rank him.

1-28
29. Cassel
30. Fitzpatrick
31. Arizona QB of the week
32. Carolina QB of the week.

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 7180757)

As much as people want to bag on the defense, if it weren't for them we would have lost the Buffalo, SD, and Cleveland games going away, and the Indy game would have been an epic shit-kicking.

If the defense had played at the same level as Cassel, we are 3-6.

Originally Posted by Norman Einstein (Post 7179057)

Too bad you can't see it right to give Cassel a chance with that faith. He is 9games into a new offense, a new offense for the 3rd time in 2 years. You expect a freaking miracle just because we have a better defense than we've had for many years.

What if....

the Chiefs somehow make it to the playoffs, is Cassel still crap?

the Chiefs win one or more games in the playoffs, is Cassel still crap?

the Chiefs make it to the Super Bowl this year and Cassel wins MVP. Is he still crap?

All of you on the left side of the fence will say yes and will be willing to ship him off because he doesn't meet your expectations. Have you ever wondered if he meets the expectations of the Chiefs administration?

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 7180751)

But he can obviously do it. He carved up a Cover 4 when we were down by 35 points.

Originally Posted by Brianfo (Post 7180780)

Ya. The fact that we were down by 35 points was his doing. You suck as a fan. Pretty sure you're not a fan but you play one on tv. I so wish that you would did in a fire while holding onto your weak football knowledge. You=Idiot

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 7180784)

Actually, it was. If not for him, we would have only been down 21.

Originally Posted by Norman Einstein (Post 7180597)

You would lose that bet, but don't let facts deter you.

Quarterback Rating Leaders - Qualified
RK PLAYER TEAM ATT COMP PCT YDS YDS/A LONG TD INT SACK RATE YDS/G
1 Michael Vick, QB PHI 153 96 62.7 1350 8.82 88 11 0 15 115.1 225
2 David Garrard, QB JAC 180 125 69.4 1440 8.00 52 15 7 17 104.9 180
3 Philip Rivers, QB SD 329 215 65.4 2944 8.95 59 19 8 22 102.9 327
4 Tom Brady, QB NE 304 196 64.5 2176 7.16 65 17 4 13 98.8 242
5 Vince Young, QB TEN 140 81 57.9 1090 7.79 71 10 3 12 97.6 136
6 Ben Roethlisberger, QB PIT 158 99 62.7 1304 8.25 53 9 4 12 97.1 261
7 Kyle Orton, QB DEN 350 217 62.0 2806 8.02 71 16 5 21 96.4 312
8 Tony Romo, QB DAL 213 148 69.5 1605 7.54 69 11 7 7 94.9 268
9 Matt Cassel, QB KC 267 158 59.2 1881 7.05 53 16 4 15 94.5 209
10 Peyton Manning, QB IND 386 248 64.2 2663 6.90 73 16 4 12 93.9 296

Cassel is not as bad as you think. What are you going to do if he does happen to get the Chiefs into the playoffs? or further?

Basically my point is that none of the people proclaiming to know what is going on doesn't have a clue. If they did I'm sure they wouldn't sitting their ass talking shit on the internet.

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 7180803)

QB rating is the most useless measure of a QB's performance imaginable.

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 7180803)

QB rating is the most useless measure of a QB's performance imaginable.

Originally Posted by Brianfo (Post 7180780)

Ya. The fact that we were down by 35 points was his doing. You suck as a fan. Pretty sure you're not a fan but you play one on tv. I so wish that you would did in a fire while holding onto your weak football knowledge. You=Idiot

Originally Posted by Norman Einstein (Post 7180649)

I didn't say there weren't any better, per your question: [b]Which current NFL QB's would you keep Cassel over?]/b] it is pointless as we have Cassel and none of the top 20, other than Cassel are coming to KC this year and most likely next.

Why spend the energy wishing for something that will never happen?

Originally Posted by Hog Farmer (Post 7180818)

Wishing someone to "did in a fire" is dumb

Originally Posted by Brianfo (Post 7180812)

Did you even look at that list. Ur fb knowledge just went down the tube. Look he's not Peyton manning, but he could be worse.

Originally Posted by Brianfo (Post 7180812)

Did you even look at that list. Ur fb knowledge just went down the tube. Look he's not Peyton manning, but he could be worse.

Originally Posted by Brianfo (Post 7180802)

Explain that shithead. Did you actually watch the game or just sit in the corner and just beat off to Cassel's pic. It's obvious that you don't like the guy. Did he fuk your mom and sister or just punch one out on your forehead. Hamas=FAIL!!

Originally Posted by Brianfo (Post 7180826)

Jerking off pigs for a living is not my cup of tea!