Ok, so we can pretty much throw the "not Elusive" argument out the window now.

Nice find.

This.

A 40 yard punt return with 2:30 left in a blowout is an impact play?

Just stop with the cherry picking guys, we know he made a couple plays.

I save every highlight a player makes. Here's the sum total of McCluster's playmaking:

31-yard catch
15-yard catch
15-yard catch
14-yard catch
19-yard catch
11-yard catch
10-yard catch

22-yard screen

20-yard reverse
15-yard run

38-yard punt return
94-yard punt return

That's a big bag of shit for #36. And considering how many times he touched the ball on special teams, the lack of plays there is awful.

The point was to demonstrate his ability that GC has clearly made an effort to dismiss with his cherry picked Gifs.

I'm pretty sure that's been put to rest now.

And he also had a high ankle sprain that took away some explosiveness. He contributed in our first 2 victories.

Question:

Of the plays you listed, during how many of them did he MAKE someone miss?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2x06F...eature=related

What this video and just try to tell me DMC is not elusive. That shit is sick.

ROFL what a stupid argument

ROFL

That juke move was the best move he made all year.

Honest to God, you guys are beating your chests over a 12 yard run because he made someone miss?

Look at LaGarrette Blount highlites and you'll see an 'elusive' RB. He has his TD leaping into the endzone. He has his spin moves leaving DEs in the dust. Hell, he hurdles a MFing guy.

He also weighs about 50 lbs more than McCluster, is much more durable, stronger and just as fast in a straight line. Oh, and he was an UDFA.

You can get scat-backs with picks a hell of a lot lower than 36 overall. Hell, you can get quality RBs with picks lower than that. McCluster was a bad pick and some 12 yard run where he makes a DE trip over his own feet doesn't do anything to show otherwise.

LMAO

So he made a couple plays and now he has "ability?"

No, he doesn't. If he had ability it would show up consistently. Not once in awhile.

So how do his numbers stack up with everyone's "Golden" WR most here wanted before the draft?

G Rec Yards
2010 Seattle 11 21 227

Ok.

Special teams aside, he touched the ball 39 times. Of those 39 touches YOU counted 10 plays of 10 yards or more.

So he averages a play of 10 yards or more 1 out of 4 times.

Yeah.......nice argument you've made there.

No, a 12 yard run where he cuts past a DE is though.

Those ****ing DE's that are getting ready to engage a pulling guard are damn tough to get around.

Bullshit. /Charles...wait.

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Cool :thumb:


This is going to kick ass with McCluster at RB ! ! !

So who here besides Clay is calling McCluster a bust after 1 year?

LMAO

So he got caught in the backfield on missed assignment and now he has NO ability?

Can't have it both ways.

:LOL: OK.

6, if you count Tolbert slipping on the wet grass.

So since you can get league-leading RBs like Priest Holmes and Arian Foster as UDFAs you shouldn't ever draft a RB with an early round pick. :spock:

Pretty sure it's just clay.

But OTWP and DJ still seem pretty pissed about where he was drafted. I could care less about where he was drafted at this point, I just wanna see the Chiefs use the guy.

According to GC, he has no ability though.

He doesn't have #36 ability.

He has...Quentin Griffin ability. Right now a bunch of you are acting like Taco John when he compared Quentin Griffin to Barry ****ing Sanders.

This has turned into a petty, pathetic argument.

I'm kinda surprised this kinda argument is coming from you.

I understand that you are upset about WHERE he was picked. I can see your point there. But to knock this guy's ability is insane.

It really has.

Actually - "According to Gretz, Haley <font size="+2" color="red"><b>HINTED</b></font> that McCluster might be a third down back."

Nothing about the initial article posted says anything is definite.

NOTHING.

Let me repeat for the hard of hearing.

<b>NOTHING</b>

But, by all means, please go back to your kvetching.


Jesus Christ, if you're going to argue something, at least argue from a position of fact.

Are you seriously arguing this?

He had 280 yards from scrimmage in 11 games.

Second round picks should contribute more than 25 yards a game.

This isn't hard to grasp...but some of you are in love with the idea of Dexter McCluster rather than the actual player.

You shouldn't ever draft a scat-back with a 36 overall, no. You shouldn't ever draft someone that you know isn't capable of carrying an NFL workload at 36 overall so you try to convert him to a slot WR. And you damn sure shouldn't defend said pick when player gets moved back to RB after being proven incapable of making a legit impact at WR.

But that's a nice little straw-man you've assembled there.

Exactly.

It's a ****ing old quote from a few months ago FFS. Back then, I interpreted it as he was going to use Dex MORE as a RB then he did last season, not that he'd be STRICTLY a RB.

Not sure what has changed about that quote a few months later.

Haters gotta hate, dude.

He was playing with a high ankle sprain since the end of October. Those can take months to heal.

Maybe you should take his number of touches into consideration. You're trying to hang onto Dj and OTWP's nuts, but you're shitty arguments.

If you wanna argue his draft value at #36, fine whatever. But stop trying to knock his skill.

His ability is overstated by many to justify his selection.

If you want to say he's an okay return man and a potentially nice 3rd down back - fine, whatever. I'm not going to argue that; there's at least a good chance he can be just that. You can get those in the 5th/6th round and or UDFA. I'm not impressed. I also don't think he's particularly excellent at either of those roles. No, he's not going to be as good at his job as Kevin Faulk is. And no, I very much doubt he ever makes a PB as a special teams player. He's just a mediocre player that we're trying to salvage by making a marginal contributor out of him.

Don't try to argue that he's anything more than that to justify his draft position. I've said all along it's a bad pick and that absolutely takes draft position into account. You can say you don't care where he was drafted, but we're going to use a 1st or 2nd rounder on a position that we could've addressed last year with his pick very easily. Draft position is HUGE.

That run isn't something that you don't see in essentially every NFL game. He made a nice cut and made a guy miss him. He weighs 170 lbs, that cut isn't all that amazing. It's not like he reversed field or anything, he simply planted his foot and went straight. Okay, so he's more elusive than Kolby Smith. Fantastic.

He was still a bad draft pick.

1. Chris Johnson is a "Scat-back". Went the 1st rnd.
2. Charles would've been a 1st rounder had people known what they know now. He's a "Scat-Back"
3. We dont actually KNOW what the Chiefs are doing with McCluster. The OP is very misleading.

How would you know? You've pretty much had your fingers in your ears whistling the whole time anyway.

We're arguing different things here.

I'm not trying to justify his draft position. Like I said before, I don't care about where he was drafted. I just wanna see the Chiefs get the most out of him. What's done is done and I'm not gonna sit here and mope and be all pissy about it. It doesn't matter anymore. All that matters now is that he becomes a productive player. Which I believe he will be.

The initial argument was that he didn't have the ability to be productive. I highly disagree. That turned into a rant about how he wasn't "elusive". Clearly his highlights show otherwise.

Why?

Part of the reason his touches suffered is because he lacked the ability to get open as a wide receiver.

The Chiefs had to get him the ball mostly on crap out of the backfield.

Now, I guess you can pump three-yard passes to McCluster all day long. But your offense is not going to move the ball that way.

It's a moot point anyway. If McCluster is going to be a running back instead of a wide receiver, his touches are not going to explode. I actually had some hope he might learn how to be an NFL wide receiver and be a 50-catch guy someday....now....he's probably going to be a 30-catch guy who carries the ball a couple times a game.

He will never, ever live up to his draft position. And I'm guessing the love for him will never, ever end as long as he makes one exciting play a month.

He does have a point about being in love with the idea rather than the player.

Some of you are completely overselling his NFL ability to justify the 36th pick in a ridiculously deep draft.

You don't take this kind of a player with that valuable of a pick.

He's not what you all claimed he was. He's not Wes Welker. He's not DeSean Jackson. He's not Percy Harvin. He's not Devin Hester.

He's a guy that you can get in the later rounds of almost every draft.

He's an even smaller, slower version of Jacoby Ford who was taken in the 4th.

Just one example off the top of my head.

This argument is moot because he was doing the same shit before the injury. They tried to get him the ball in Indy and Houston and he couldn't make people miss to save his life.

I don't think I've seen anybody espousing any sort of 'love' for McCluster, unless you equate 'love' with 'not burying the guy'.

Chris Johnson is no scat back and was no scat-back. He's a speed rusher that, IIRC, broke the 40 time record at the combine. He also showed a solid power game as a full-time rusher at UCF. If you honestly want to compare Johnson and McCluster, do so at your own peril. As far as I'm concerned, it only serves to undermine your credibility.

Charles is also not a scat-back. Even when he was taken people marveled at his balance and the fact that he was actually pretty sturdy off-tackle (by all means, review the thread). The concern with Charles was his experience and the fact that he ran tall. No, he was not seen as a scat-back. Even still, he was taken a hell of a lot later than 36 overall because, again, you don't take guys you don't think can shoulder a legitimate NFL workload at 36 overall.

300 yards /= productive

I haven't made a single argument for or against WHERE he was drafted. My argument is over his ability to be a play making contributer. He's shown the ability to do that.

And we can't sit here and use this "But blah blah blah was taken in X round" argument. If people knew what Ford would've been, he would've been taken higher. Hence the "draft is a crap shoot" blah blah blah.

I hate that argument actually.

Great thread.

For me, the two second round picks kind of took some of the shine off of the first pick. They were WTF!? moments, when there were so many players on the board that would fill some needs very well. In fact, one of those players, hurt JC in the playoff game once he pancaked him. (Cody)

I'm not comparing Johnson to McCluster. Not sure where you got that from. We're talking about "Scat Backs".

Johnson identifies as a scat back much more then he identifies as any other type of back. And Charles was considered a scat back. He came in with the same kind of concerns as McCluster.

If McCluster had gone to a Big XII school instead of an SEC school, we wouldn't even be having this thread. Everybody would love him.













I don't actually believe that, I'm just tossing a grenade into the room as I leave for work.... [/evil laugh]

Sorry, didn't mean to imply you specifically, Clay's post said "some of you" and I thought I typed the same thing. I've edited to clarify.

Plenty of Chiefs fans are madly in love with McCluster. He's little and cute and exciting.

Just check out his facebook page.

But here's the problem:

If McCluster is taken in the 6th round, EVERYONE likes this pick, yes even Clay. He can say he wouldn't, but that's not true.

The angst over McCluster, from everyone that's ever knocked him, is where he was drafted. So when this thread gets rolling and people like BCD come in trying to call out the wolves, they're tacitly defending the where of the pick because said wolves were only ever angry about where he was drafted.

You can't try to get a group of people riled up about something, mis-characterize their position then deflect when they make the same point they've made from the very start.

I would love McCluster if he was taken in the 6th.

He's little and cute and exciting.

Bingo.

How many of those people post on this site, much less this thread?

Typical GC post when he has nothing left to say.

I am sure there is crossover.

Y'know what, I don't really care.

Get the boobs thread updated with real pictures of your avatars cans already. Those alone are all the proof I need that God hates men. Or maybe he really loves us. Hell I dunno, just show us yer tits...

I would have been content with him in the 3rd. Not thrilled, but content.

Then again, I'm not one of the mouthbreathers that actually thinks Philly was going to take him, when everyone on the ****ing planet knew they wanted a safety.

That argument is just more rationalization.

ChiefNJ2 nailed it during draft weekend last year:

Maybe all he has to do is one exciting play a month? **** YEA a play making difference that changes a game in our favor. Much better than a 2.2 ypc as of Jones gives us. That could be 4 to 5 extra wins this season, that Dexter helps us achieve in this stacked deck against us schedule. Maybe he can give us a few more exciting plays a month, YOU don't know he wont. I don't know that he will, but am exited that he is going to get the opportunity. It was the break out plays that JC had last year that was the difference makers in most of our games, but he didn't get those all the time.
Never knew when JC was going to break one but we knew sooner or later in a game it was bound to happen.
So if we can add a player that is capable of those type of break out plays and not put the pressure on JC for that I am for it.

If we can get Jackie Battle some reps and less Jones, I am for that too.

Dexter is capable of being a dynamic RB, just have to wait & see how it pans out.

McCluster in the 5th round, okay. #36th overall just is what it is, an EPIC FAIL.

I'd bet it's way less than you think. Either way, you were complaining about something that isn't actually happening here.

I'm going to say it. I liked the McCluster pick, I still do. The league is changing, and guys like him are becoming more, and more, and more valuable.

Wow, Jackie Battle. I'd forgotten he was even on the team.

who are "these guys"?

because he's worthless

Nah, Kolby Smith was worthless.

Jackie Battle is of nominal worth. Not a lot, mind you, but slightly less than zero.

GREAT question.

There is more truth in this than you may have intended. Mizzou fans still think Daniel Chase is an NFL QB :p

Smaller, quicker guys who make people miss and are a threat to score every time they touch the ball. Those kind of players are becoming very, very valuable.

I understand people wanting us to take someone else there though....we had, and still have, a lot of holes. I am interested to see how Cody turns out though, but if you read about his rookie year we got way more out of DMC. :doh!:

I wouldn't call him that. Jackie Battle was a STer and partly why he didn't get the reps at RB. I think he could have done better than Jones especially later in the season when Jones was breaking down. Coaches generally tend to play out the older proven vets than giving a kid the opportunity. I think that was the case for Jackie Battle not getting RB reps. It's a brand new season (hopefully) so Jackie Battle better take advantage of the opportunities he gets so he can prove himself. I'd rather watch a younger player struggle but get better than an old vet continue to degress as the season folds.

Gotta love CP. LMAO

The eve of the 2011 draft and there is a 300+ post debate arguing 1 of the picks in last years draft.

Tomorrow is going to be so fun.

****, I'm just happy to be talking about ball again.

This.

And F/A better be right around the corner.

You spelled it wrong. It's Daniels Chase.

:thumb:

ROFL

You like the idea of McCluster, not McCluster himself.

I guess so. When he's on the field I see an over-sized fat guy who runs like he has cement in his shoes and has been in the league for 10 years and never developed.