Personally, I like the idea Path (I think) had.

Sign Chris Hoke to be a stop gap while Powe develops, and draft another one in the next couple of years.

Hoke has probably two good years of productivity remaining, if not more.

I don't want to read any posts that shortchange Powe.

I'd be ok with that as long as Hoke is productive. We can't go another year with Edwards/Powe/Turbio it's a ****ing waste of time. I'm tired of seeing the Raiders fist **** us because we don't have a defensive tackle.

I'll take that and still draft Te'o next year.

I think it'd be funny if they signed Barrett Ruud. You all would hate me even more.

This shit is gonna go from full stop to pedal to the medal in no time.

If I'm reading this right, we will have like three days to get Gilberry and Carr signed or risk losing them for nothing.

Pioli better get both signed, if it comes down to it I guess I could live with it if we lost Gilberry...but not Carr.

Kids a stud that will only get better as our pass rush does.

I think restricted free agency will still be in tact. Thus, if a team wants Carr, they are going to have to pony up draft picks.

They gave Carr a one-year qualifying offer.

You are assuming that the franchise tag applies with the new CBA. There's a very good chance Harris becomes an unrestricted free agent. In which case, you dont' have to give up any picks to get him. It's not the same as Carr where you're picking off a guy who's under contract. Harris' original contract already expired.

As for Franklin, I'm not a Franklin lover. There aren't a lot of options and I love the idea of a stopgap while they develop Powe. I think he's more than good enough to stopgap for 2 years.

I'm assuming nothing. Every media report has stated that the franchise tags are staying in the CBA. There's no chance that any of the franchise players are available.

He's not going to be paid like a stop gap. He's going to get top 5 NT money.

There's nothing wrong with top 5 money if it's a front-loaded contract that doesn't weigh your cap down for the long-term. It's okay to overpay a guy if you have cap space to do it. I have a problem with bringing in a guy who's going to weigh your cap space down for 5 years. A guy like Franklin would have no problem taking the bulk of his money upfront, since he's only got 2-3 years left anyway.

If you have to give a draft pick for Harris, of course he's not worth it. But if the tag moves to a one-time use only, are they still going to apply the tag to him? My guess is they'd have a chance to re-evaluate.

Is restricted free agency not the same as right to first refusal?

What about Shaun Smith, Ron Edwards and Barry Richardson? I don't really have a problem letting Edwards go, if we find another NT or have that much faith in Powe. Shaun Smith could move inside to NT exclusively and let Edwards go. I like Shaun, but won't cry if he has to move on. I'm surprised you didn't mention Richardson though, seeing as how we have no other tackle on the roster outside of Albert. He has made great strides since I first saw him at his rookie camp. You want them to sign Clabo or what?

Honestly, I think there will be 4 or 5 OTs in free agency over Richardson.

I want a right tackle that will allow Moeaki to run more routes.

Richardson is solid as he'll in the running game...a real road grader. In the passing game though, he isn't dependable. When teams blitz off his edge, he seems to be lost as to who to block and IMO hasn't improved in that category.

Clabo would be worth every penny to this offense...so would Ryan Harris and a few others including Yanda.

I'd be fine with bringing Richardson brought back for another year to see if he can finally overcome his inconsistencies...but Im not in the camp that wants him signed long term.

RFA still applies to players that going into their 4th year.

Right of first refusal is an option the owners were hoping to have for players that have completed their 4th year.

I don't think the Chiefs will go after more than one of those free agents in the open market.

They'll re-sign Richardson if they can, and probably persue Matt Light.

I think Richardson continues to grow, so I'll be happy about that, but I'll be pissed when the only free agent they bring in is Light.

Here's another name that I'm surprised hasn't been brought up. Mathias Kiwanuka. It's a huge gamble given his neck injury, but this is the right kind of gamble to make. If he's healthy, he and Hali could be a pretty outrageous 1-2 punch.

We need a Pacific Islander.

MANTI TE'O!

If they bring in Matt Light, they should just go ahead and move Albert to left guard or right tackle. My preference would be to move him to left guard and give Waters his walking papers.

Light
Albert
Hudson
Asamoah
Richardson

That could prove to be an outstanding offensive line IF Richardson can grow in the mental department and stop being clueless as to who to block in certain situations...he does that and he has a chance to be special....I don't have the confidence in him that milk does to get there though.

That line would be an upgrade at nearly every spot and would also provide a better versatility as well should somebody get hurt.

We would have no problems running up the a gaps either.

Matt Lifht is a better left tackle than Albert has been, so I guess I would be more open to his signing that some others around here would be.

Paul Solai in a trade with Miami.

ummmm ... Lilja?

Frankly, I hate the idea of Light.

He's never been quite as good as people make him out to be, but as Boss said, he is better than Albert, still.

That line with Albert and Asamoah at the guard spots is better than a line than includes Lilja, assuming Asamoah plays as well as many believe he is capable of.

Lilja is a solid palyer, but he doesn't possess the talent of either Albert or Asamoah.

I've been a big fan of Liljas and was pissed when we list him by trying to be slick about stuff, but if we sign Light and move Albert he would be our third best guard.

I don't think Albert would be a good right tackle or Lulja would be the starting LG in my scenario.

He would backup both guard positions and even though I really like him, that's a great situation to be in.

We would still need another OT though.

If Weigman doent return, sign that Zane Taylor for depth/competition at center.

so we just cut/demote arguably our best Olineman of last year? Lilja wasn't even playing his natural position last year.

gotta be a better way imo

Light
Lilja
Hudson
Asomoah
Albert


btw How old is light ... like 64? I want help at OT as much as anyone(except sac of poop) but surely there is a better option.

No to Light.

It's like a broken record.

You want someone that's stronger at the POA at the RT position than Albert.

His strength is his ability to get out in space, which plays well at the LG position when you want someone athletic to get out and pull.

Agreed. The move doesn't make sense.

Rather than pay a guy the world to force Albert to play out of position at RT, why not bring in an actual natural RT for cheaper? I don't think the Chiefs will have a chance at Clabo, but I'd be okay with someone like Ryan Harris who I think they can get for cheap.

I understand but seems to me that Albert's problem at left tackle has been working in space. Albert gets beat when a guy is quick enough to work inside or outside. I would think that having Albert work against stronger guys on the right would be an easier adjustment. Btw with our stretch running game, the power side issue isn't as much of a problem imo.

because so far Albert hasn't been good enough at left tackle.

If we want an offense line that can hold their own against playoff caliber defenses then i'm not sure we can have Albert at left tackle. He's not a bust but so far i haven't seen elite left tackle either.

The reason that Albert has struggled so much at LT is the fact that he hasn't been able to adjust to the techniqe.

He damn near trips over his own feet when he comes out of his stance he's thinking so much.

The primary reason, though, that Albert was seen as a potential LT was the fact that he does have naturally quick feet and the strength of his game at the guard position was his ability to work out in space.

Return him to guard, and his natural ability should return.

Light isn't that much of an upgrade if at all. And the Chiefs are completely stacked at Guard. If you move Albert to LG, his natural position, you're saying that you want to bench either Lilja, Hudson, or Asamoah. I want all three of those guys in the starting lineup for a long time (assuming, of course, Asamoah and Hudson are as good as advertised--I believe they will be). If you move Albert to RT, you're asking him to play a position he's just not going to do well with. So you're basically asking to pay a mega contract only to get small upgrades at LT for a few short years, probably pretty small upgrades at Guard, and force a promising younger player out of the starting lineup.

Plus, I don't think Albert is nearly as bad as you say. He's a terrific run blocker. And he continues to improve as a pass protector. He can handle fast pass rushers, he's just been really inconsistent.

Yup. And with experience, that overthinking should become less of a problem. Not to say he hasn't had time... But he is learning a very difficult position after playing an entire college career at Guard. He's a guy I'm willing to have just a little more patience with. He's entering year 4, but technically, feel his rookie season was a wash. I think he's technically entering year 3, which is usually the year you expect your LT to start hitting his own.

I'm notso do ii disagree
i never said he was bad, i said he wasn't elite enough.terrific run blocker, improving pass blocker? you just described a right tackle.
NO,NO,NO ... He handles power fine, he struggles against fast guys. When a guy is quick enough to line up and go inside or outside then Albert struggles with it. He's much less likely to face quick guys at RT than he does at LT.

btw imo we are just wasting our breath, i don't think Pioli is going to make any significant changes on the Oline. He will sign a backup swing OT and that will be about it.

Hell i even think Waters might be starting at LG again.

Pioli is not a big change guy

You know what's ****ed up?

I think Haley is gonna end up being a great head coach, but he has his faults as well.

I bet if he let Albert gain 15-20 pounds that he would return to his early, promising form.

He's going to have to do more than that, at least to get through camp.

IIRC, Albert and Richardson are the only two tackles on the roster, ATM.

Couldn't agree more.

The kid was much better at a higher weight.

Keep ****ing doubting Bobby Greenwood.

Don't ever forget that Cassel is Piolis golden boy, massive gamble.

That would be a glaring mistake, IMO.

If Pioli thinks Light has three or more years left, sign him and make the move.

Last year we drafted two players early that were drafted to be short field targets in Moeaki and Dexter. This year, we spent a first rounder on another receiver.

If we have to spend money, Light would be a good 3 year starter...not great, but pretty good.

I'd bet we do something to bolster the line and this would upgrade multiple spots.

Why would you think that?

When he gets beat, he's getting beat with quickness because of poor technique. He's not getting beat because of his size or strength.

And playing at a light weight has made him a terrific run blocker. Lost in all this conversation is that he's not just good at run blocking, he's becoming really, really good.

Run blocking on the Right and Left side are two totally different things. The reason you want your "quick feet" guy on the Left side is because you generally put your best pass rushers on that side. Well on the flip side, then you put your better run stuffer to line up against the Right Tackle. Because the offense typically loads the strong side with a tight end next to a RT, your defense is going to run right a lot of the time. You have to be strong, physical, and ready to move defensive player, who are usually bigger, stronger, and physical than those lined up against the LT. Different story to ask Albert to be a guy who has to covers, up his guy and block in space as he does at LT. Different story if he's a Guard who's either asked to hold at the point of attack, as he does at Guard, or to athletically move his feet to pull and block in space.

Again, his feet and arm length are ideal for a Left Tackle. He's not getting beat because he's slow. He's getting beat because his technique is inconsistent. He's still learning and I don't see why he couldn't get better. I'd be a lot more worried if he was just plain too slow.

His best pass blocking year was his rookie season playing with more weight.

He HANDLED Richard Seymour in his first start.

I'm fine with moving him to guard and signing Light and think there is probably over a 50% chance of that scenario unfolding.

That would give us a window to draft another left tackle of a couple years.

It would also improve the depth.

It would be spending a shitload of money for a mild upgrade at LT and a good not great upgrade at RT. If you want a RT, pay for a natural RT. Light isn't going to bring a whole lot more to the table than Albert, and Albert has both youth AND a ton of upside potential.

People forget that when Brady went down, the Pats' o-line looked like a complete mess until they went pure dink-and-dunk. Some of that is on Cassel, but a lot of that is because Brady is easily the best in the game at making adjustments that make the offensive line look good. It's very hard to blitz on Brady. And most of the time, he's going to get rid of the ball very quickly. Good way to make a good not great LT look like a pro bowler. I'm not convinced at all that Light is a whole lot better than Albert.

Damn. You beat me to it. That game in NE was exactly what I was thinking about.

1st game ever and he shut down one of the best DL in the league.

I'd say that Albert was a "b" as a rookie, but has regressed to a "c" quality left tackle since.

Light is a solid "b" quality left tackle.

I really like what that move would do to our interior line for the long term.

Albert
Hudson
Asamoah

That's a terrific and extremely young interior line.

I think this was truth 10 years ago but nowadays i don't think it applies nearly as much. Teams aren't nearly has 'right handed' as they used to be and the tightend position isn't the same anymore either. Although RDE tend to be quicker and more of pure pass rusher type and LDE tend to be bigger and have more power.

I think the biggest change would be switching your down hand and the direction you slide. That change is a concern and the Chiefs might not want to do it with Albert. Direction change is much more of a concern than Albert not having enough power. Power isn't Alberts problem, it's dealing with quickness for whatever reason(technique,focus whatever etc)

We'll see. I just think that the kind of power blocking he'd have to use is very different from LT and even different from LG. But you're right, the directional change is huge, especially given that even at Guard, he played on the Left Side.

I think most of his problems are due to technique. But he's making fewer and fewer every year. Of course that has to keep happening. I think we have to keep in mind that coming out of college as a Guard and playing his first season with virtually no technique, he's going to have a much steeper learning curve than most LTs. I still think we need to be patient with him as long as he continues to show improvement.

That's a bit of an exaggeration. Realize that it hasn't helped him much that his QB doesn't do very much to protect him.

First, you're talking purely about pass protection. In run blocking, he's improved from a C to about an A-. He just has to not necessarily improve in pass protection, but become more consistent.

And if you have a guy who has potential to play LT, you never put him at Guard. Stacking your interior line isn't worth it if you're weak on the Left side. And even worse when the reason you're making that move to LG is because you're putting in an old expensive stopgap like Light, who only has a little bit more to offer at the position than Albert (assuming Albert doesn't continue to improve, which I'm sure he will).

The big problem is that every so often Albert just whiffs almost completely and that makes for a nervous Quarterback and usually stops a drive. Just can't happen with regularity.

still think the power aspect of blocking at right tackle is being exaggerated big time.

I've actually been thinking about that interior line quite a bit lately. It would be a stellar nucleus to the line. Also, Richardson has always looked really good on the left side when asked to play there. Don't think that'd be an experiment worth trying though.

As for Albert's rookie season, you have to remember the offense itself hid a lot of Albert's deficiencies. The quarterback would almost always roll out to the right. Thigpen had wheels and used 'em.

One of the more interesting things about this lockout will be the Chiefs will likely have about 3 days to re-sign free agents and get everything in order. What happens to Brian Waters? Pretty sure Asamoha will be the starter and theres no way Waters will accept being a backup.

Retirement I hope.

I still contend the greatest issue for the line was not either tackle position; it was pressure coming right up the middle over/past/through Wiegmann.

Yeah, probably would have helped to have a pocket to step up into.

Randy Moss would be an ideal free agency option for the Chiefs.

Moss is familiar with Cassel, is supposedly in great shape, will be motivated to revive his career next season and will probably be had for a managable contract.

Rookie WR's rarely make an impact, so let Baldwin learn under Moss and Bowe his rookie year.

No he wouldn't.

He was awful in Seattle last year.

Waters is under contract.

Just stop.

This. People see the QB on his back or rushed and immediately blame the LT. If there's no pocket, you can't really expect the LT to have to defend both directions laterally for the whole play. He needs to be able to seal off the inside and ride the DE out and past the QB. In our case, a lot of the time, there was nowhere to ride the DE to.

Shut it.

What?

Santana Moss, yes.
Randy Moss, hell no.

Peter king just said chiefs have around 35 million to spend .

How did they "got" that?

Think "The Outhouse"

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Internal projections by cap guys I spoke to estimate the Cards, Bengals, Bucs and Chiefs will have to spend very big to get to 90% of cap

I think I was watching SportsCenter, and they said that the Bucs were $59M under the cap.

They'd have to spend over $50M just to get to the floor.

Bucs should just go offer Nnamdi Asomugha like 2 year 40million deal

The report actually said just that. Go out and offer NA a ridiculous deal.

So Namdi and Tulloch to the Bucs.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahaha

I saw that too. Wow.
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Lock up Tamba and the corners?

Please sign Deangelo Williams away from Denver.

It sucks bc they were building that team the right away with young talent.

Hali is about to be a rich man.

Chiefs can front load the contracts of their own free agents and make 35 million disappear into 'ink' in a heartbeat.

Next thing we see will be 'Chiefs sign own, have cap room for Draftees and couple of mid tier FA's'

followed by an adam teicher article listing the cap cost for the roster.

followed by weeks of people crying about how much cap space Cassel and Jackson are using.

no

Locking him up just gets us more room to spend i love it cause his cap number now is like 13million.Give him a nice fat deal knock that number down to like 8 million this year.

i seriously doubt they try to free up cap room