Heh, pretty much. That PoS is a coach killer.

Yet another gem from Dumbshit Dave again.

Co-MVP in 2003?

Leading the Titans to the franchise's first Super Bowl in 2000?

3-time Pro Bowl QB?

Amazing that Dumsbshit Dave has been posting on this message board for nearly 11 years now and hasn't figured out a way to dislodge his head from his fat ass to put forth a semi-coherent thought.

I'd rep you if you weren't a stupid mult.

FYP

The more and more I think about Fisher to the Chiefs the more and more I am taken back to those heady days of 1989. Shall we travel back to those days?

The franchise is in the doldrums. A string of failures at head coach has cost the team dearly. The owner gets fed up and cleans house. The team needs to make a splashy hire. Something to fire up the fan base. The team hires Marty. A proven coach who has gotten his team so close the Super Bowl twice.

And what did we get? A lot of playoff losses and no franchise QB. And we were so close, we were just a QB away.

So everyone that thinks that Fisher is the answer needs to ask this question; Do we really want to go back to that?

Why do you equate hiring Jeff Fisher to the Chiefs not getting a franchise QB?

Fisher has a proven track record, as a head coach of drafting a franchise-caliber QB in the first round, Steve McNair and helping to develop him into an MVP, Pro Bowl, Super Bowl-caliber QB.

What you don't realize is that Fisher sees the value in a franchise QB.

He drafted one QB who had a few great years and one co-MVP season. And even then they only went to one Super Bowl and after that the playoff record is marginal at best.

Willing to bet that Fisher wants to put a vet (aka another broke dick) at QB. I don't see Fisher or Cowher wanting to put in more that 5 - 6 years at a new HC job.

Fisher, twice in Tennessee tried building around a first round-drafted QB. Steve McNair was a success, Vince Young was not. The point is though Fisher's approach was to build around a drafted, young QB rather than go the stop-gap veteran approach.

And why don't you see Fisher wanting to put in the time to draft and develop a QB in KC? He is 53 years old... 11 years younger than Romeo.

Only one coach, Parcells, has gone from one team (NY Giants) to another (NE Pats) and drafted (Bledsoe) and franchise QB. Recent history points to this trend continuing.

Also, if we remove the whole "Fisher would draft a QB" discussion Fisher is still an overrated coach. His record is not that impressive and remove the Super Bowl run of 13 years ago and is playoff record is 2 - 6.

And let's consider his last "sucessful" season was a carbon copy of what we had with Marty. Team with a vet QB (Collins), strong running game, strong defense, had home field throughout the playoffs (record of 13 - 3) and promptly lost in the first round.

Having watched the last 6 years of the Fisher coached Titans (I have lived in the Nashville area since 2004) I know his coaching approach is play not to lose and not play to win. Again, this is what we had during the Marty era. Strive for mediocrity and hope for some turn overs and / or luck is not a recipe for sucess. You can win a few games, make the playoffs now and again but unless you get extremely lucky (aka the Music City Miracle) you will never get to a Super Bowl.

Fisher didn't want Vince Young.

The silver lining is that Fisher swung and missed last time around.

I gotta think that if Marty were to come back to coaching, the first thing he'd do is try to get a QB. I don't see any reason to believe Fisher is any different.

These guys aren't stupid - they watch more football than we do.

No he didn't and he acted like a little kid while VY was on the team. And when the ultimatium was either Fisher or Young and the team cut Young, Fisher left anyhow. Real class act there.

"mult" implies posting under multiple names. I have never done that. I've been tossed twice, and a few days ago, I got hacked and my poster name changed.

But I have never posted under two names at the same time, and would still be posting as TFG if some of the morans here weren't so touchy being outed as morans...

I would tend to think that is not the full story, because it implies VY was just a prince who did everything right on and off the field, and that wasn't the case at all...

I have very little doubt that Fisher recognizes the value of a franchise QB, and the fact is, he tried to find that guy twice, whether he wanted the one that was selected for him the second time around.

But the fact also remains that his coaching philosophy is a mirror image of Marty.

Play not to lose.

Will that change with a new team?

After 16+ years of that philosophy, I have strong doubts.

Not going to disagree with you at all. VY was just as much of a child as Fisher was during the whole ordeal.

This, just repeat this over and over and over when thinking that the Chiefs should hire Fisher.

Why would they hire someone with a 54% career record. Fisher is no Cowher. They have someone in Crennel who they know can get along with Pioli. Fisher would not be an upgrade over Crennel. Why anyone would want Fisher is beyond comprehension?

How about we put this into some language that everyone on this board can relate too?

Jeff Fisher is the Matt Cassell of NFL Coaches.

Was that Martys strategy in San Diego? Cam Cameron was pretty aggressive. If that dumbass holds onto the ball we aren't having this conversation.

I've been wanting Fisher since Vermeil left. Dude is nails. I like the fact he hasn't been getting soft sitting in an ESPN studio like those other clowns. I'd prefer an offensive coach (ala Vermeil) but he's a good cross between defense and offense. I think his teams are as balanced as Belichick's.

Balance is the key.

Yes, it's possible that Fisher can change his stripes.

It only took Marty 25 years, so I guess that Fisher might get it, as well.

But I ain't hanging my hat on that hope.

Fisher has 100+ more career wins than Romeo as an NFL HC, but he isn't an upgrade over Romeo?

The Romeo lovers need to get a grip.

Me either. Still think he's a better choice than RAC though.

per Jason LaCanfora Rams to fire Spagnuolo, pusue ex-Titan Fisher

The Rams can have him!

During Fisher's tenure as HC in Tennessee he showed he can adapt his approach, based on the strengths of his personnel.

During his initial years, the Titans were run-oriented with Eddie George as McNair developed into an NFL QB.

During the early 2000's, the Titans became more pass-oriented, especially during McNair's Co-MVP season.

When he had Vince Young (and his mediocre QB abilities) and Chris Johnson he went back to a run-oriented approach.

Spagnuolo was a ****ing disaster. Dude won 10 games in three years. Herm laughs at that shit.

Steve McNair's highest number of passing attempts was 492.

Steve Bono, in his first season as the Chiefs starter, attempted 520 passes.

The Rams tuned into thug central?
CAN'T WAIT
The Raiders by the Mississippi

Its ****ing hillarious that dude that has a raging hard on for Al Saunders and wanted Josh McDaniels is pimping the shit out of Jeff Fisher. ****ing golden stuff.

The ghetto is one block north of the Dome anyways.

Lawrence Phillips may make a comeback

If thats true I feel bad for the Rams.

I do to but if we can win a Super Bowl 2-0 I'm good with that.

I hate retreads!!!

During a three season period... 2003, 2004 and 2005 the Titans ranked in the top 10 in passing yards, including as high as 5th in the NFL in passing offense during McNair's 2003 Co-MVP season.

What makes you think that Fisher wouldn't implement an aggressive passing offense with the Chiefs?

When McNair was in the prime of his career in Tennessee, the Titans were an aggressive passing team.

Fisher didn't want to draft Vince Young, and had very few options but to run the type of run-oriented, conservative offense the Titans ran with Young because of his limitations as a passing QB.

One thing most Chiefs fans don't even realize about Fisher is that he liked to go deep.

The stats support that.

From the 1999-2003 seasons, the Titans were in the top 10 in passing yards/attempt, including leading the NFL in passing yards per attempt during the 2003 season.

Too bad he didn't like to go deep into the playoffs.

Bam

ROFL

He went to a Super Bowl.

That's deeper than any Chiefs coach has taken KC since Hank Stram.

How far did Romeo go in the playoffs with Cleveland?

ROFL

And that's related to Jeff Fisher how?

With Cleveland? With ****ing Cleveland?

JFC, the Romeosexuals are dumber than shit.

Houston/Tennessee was just as shitty of a franchise as Cleveland, when Fisher took over.

Fisher still managed to build them into a Super Bowl participant.

Romeo couldn't do anything in Cleveland except epic fail.

Fisher always used the vertical passing game. He always used trick plays, onside kicks, etc... people make fun of him for the Music City Miracle but Marty never would've attempted that play. I would never paint him as Sean Payton-aggressive, but I think all the people calling him Marty will be a little surprised when he comes back and cherry picks himself a spot with a QB.

Romeo didn't get over a decade and a half to do it either.

Fisher is shit, Romeo's history is irrelevant to that fact.

You can't support a pile of garbage like Romeo and then say Fisher is shit.

Fisher's resume destroys Romeo's in every way possible.

Also Fisher got Tennessee to the Super Bowl in his 5th full season as HC, Romeo was fired after 4 crappy seasons in Cleveland... basically the same time-frame.

And Romeo didn't have to deal with the adversity Fisher had to contend with during his first 4 years as HC... moving from Houston to Tennessee, including multiple seasons of virtually having no home games.

:doh!:

Hey, Milkman Neville, you ever get that berry removed from your face.

"I don't know much, but I know you're a dumbass. And that for me, is all I need to knowwwwww. . . ."

We need to make a big splash in the coaching circle. This team needs leadership and direction in the player department as well as coaching. The constant roller coaster play has been because of coaching and lack of players that take on a leadership role. Or at least players that can walk a big game too and not just talk.

Spagnuolo is going to the Eagles anyways.....

OK, I can let a lot of this go because you've got stats to back up your opinion, but this is just flat WRONG.

The Oilers were 70-37 in the 7 years prior to Fisher taking over - 33-15 in the 3 years directly prior - including 12-4 the season before Pardee got fired and Fisher was named interim HC.

Fisher's first 4 seasons as HC were 7-9, 8-8, 8-8, and 8-8.

Time for a little history lesson...

Fisher took over as an interim coach in the middle of a horrific season... the Houston Oilers were 1-9 at the time.

Many of the players from that 7 year run were either washed up or gone (Warren Moon).

Fisher literally had to rebuild the franchise from scratch, which included a move from Houston to Tennessee.

Aside from the brief run with Warren Moon/Jack Pardee and the "Luv Ya Blue" era under Bum Phillips, the Houston Oilers/Tennessee Titans were a mediocre until Fisher became HC.

ROFL

There's no way to twist it, despite how much you desperately want to.

The Oilers won 9 games or more in ALL 7 of the seasons previous to Pardee's firing.

They didn't have a winning season until Fishers FIFTH year.

Look, I get what you're trying to do here. I really do.

But to say that the Oilers were "mediocre" before Fisher is a bold-faced lie. Period.

I'd say the Oilers in Pardee's waning years were analogous to the 2003 Chiefs. How did Roaf's subsequent retirement and subsequent Green's concussion fare for us over the next 7 years? If Herm had somehow gotten us to the SB by 2009, would he be a mediocre coach then, too?

There is probably no worse organization than the current Cleveland Browns. I know they claim all the old franchise records, but that franchise is now in Baltimore. This franchise is the old Browns in name only. In the 13 seasons since they came back they've had two winning seasons, just one in the playoffs. Crennel has the only 10 win season in their history, and Romeo is the winningest coach in their new franchise history. Crennel also has 5 Super Bowl rings as a coordinator.

It's not about Fisher himself being mediocre. It's about people trying to make Fisher into some kind of savior and suggesting that he resurrected that team.

It all boils down to 2 guys - Warren Moon and Steve McNair. With Moon, they won 11, 10, and 12 games under Pardee. Moon gone and bam - 2 and 14 season, Pardee gets fired. They didn't have a winning season again until McNair's 3rd year.

It really had nothing to do with Fisher OR Pardee.

Herm could never get to the level of mediocre. Evenif he had won a sb as a coach.
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LMAO Pure ownership.

How exciting!

Pretty much define his whole career, a shining beacon of mediocrity.

NFL_BridgeMarc Lillibridge

Me too RT @DaveRazzano: Shocked to see Jeff Fisher only has 6 winning seasons in 17 years as head coach.

Move over Fisher, they're starting to tear down Chucky now
Woot

Which is why he'll be the front runner for the Chiefs position. :doh!:

People are making way too much out of this 6 of 17 crap.

Needing to rebuild the Titans and then have to contend with Vince Young obviously meant a few losing seasons.

Also, 8-8 wins the AFC West. :D

6 Winning Seasons
5 .500 Seasons
5 Losing Seasons

Herm had delusions of adequacy.

Herm Edwards has same amount of playoff appreances as Jeff Fisher.

WTF are youalking about?

You may want to check Vince Youngs win loss record again.

If it weren't for him, Fisher wouldn't have as many winning seasons.

Dude stepped in his rookie year and the team turned everything around and went on a big win streak...same thing happened in his third year...team only had like 1 win and 5 or 6 losses and the owner wanted Fisher to play Young and the team started winning games again.

I'd have to check, but those may well be 2 of his 6 winning seasons, not sure if they got past 8-8 the second time, though.

VY was a far cry from a really good player, but he deserves the credit he earned.

OK. LMAO

Vince Young has NEVER thrown more than 12 TD passes in a season.

If you actually look at the Titans winning streak that year it was pretty much their defense doing the heavy lifting, and the same was true in 2007.

http://www.pro-football-reference.co...s/oti/2009.htm

http://www.pro-football-reference.co...s/oti/2007.htm

He is not a good QB. Fisher would probably still be the coach if the Titans had picked Cutler.

The Titans were 13-3 without young...because of their defense, and because Kerry Collins was halfway decent instead of being shitty like VY.

Here is Fisher in the Vince Young era:
Vince Young - 30-17
Without Young - 15-17

You cry that haley gets blown out in games have you seen some of fisher teams?

It's a shame th Fisher sat all his really good players until Young played.

Think of what he could have done if he played all those guys when other quarterbacks started for Tennessee.

Haha

No way Cutler goes better than 30-17 during that span.

Fisher was lucky his owner forced him to play the guy that won games.

ROFL JFC, this dumbshit refuses to comprehend basic facts.

The talent that won 9 games or more during the 7 seasons prior to Pardee's firing was washed up or gone by the time Fisher took over.

Is it really that hard to comprehend? Fisher took over team at the beginning of a massive rebuilding job.

To make matters more complicated, Fisher had to rebuild while the franchise was in a messy relocation process from Houston to Memphis and then to Nashville. This included multiple seasons of playing "home games" in empty stadiums.

The fact Fisher was able to maintain a .500 level team during this turbulent time was and still is considered a great coaching job on Fisher's part.

Do yourself a favor and review the history of the Houston Oilers/Tennessee Titans in the mid/late 1990's when Fisher took over.

Right now you look completely ignorant on the subject, which explains why you are getting whored in epic fashion.

Amazing. LMAO

He doesn't fit the mold.Next topic.