Why?

Guessing and making shit up is so much more fun. Paired with assuming the worst in all situations, and you've got yourself some golden posts.

Does RGIII owe you money? I swear your dislike of him is hilarious. You keep comparing him to Vick even though the only similarities between the two are the fact they are both fast and black. So is it because he is fats that you have issues with him?

Eric's a troll. Don't sweat him. His posts are always opposite of the popular thought.

How he's still around here though, that's the mystery.

Classic contrarian. If everybody hated RG3, he'd say "How can you deny this man's talent? You all are blind."

Here are couple a sobering facts: During Peyton Manning's LIFETIME, the Chiefs have a regular season record, on average, of 7-9. Peyton Manning has had as many playoff victories in ONE YEAR as the Chiefs have had during his ENTIRE LIFE.

People wonder why a lot of us want to draft RG3? That's why.

You're arguing semantics. Regardless of label, Ryan and gren are good ABS who likely need a good supporting cast to get to the next level. For most qbS, even franchise qbs, you have to also be effective in the draft to support him.

Every QB needs a good supporting cast to get to the next level.

Also lets not forget the Giants with Eli (whom they had to give up picks for) have more playoff wins this year than we have had since SB IV. Also they have as many SB rings with Eli (whom they again gave up picks for), as we have SB appearances. But lets not go big and get us a franchise QB. Lets keep doing it the way we always have and play it safe. Don't want to jeopardize the future.

Some say "wait till next year for our QB" Some problems with that though

1. We finished 7-9 minus Moeaki, Berry, and Charles with Cassel and Palko under center with one of the toughest schedules in the NFL. We get them back (hopefully not Cassel or Palko) and have an easier schedule, hard to think we will draft #11 next year.

2. This year's QB class was supposed to be deep, till it wasn't. Barkley and Jones went back to school making this QB very weak outside of the top 2 (hell Tannehill is looking like a Top 10-15 pick). Everyone thinks next years will be deep as well, but what if the underclassmen don't declare? Then it becomes weak again and we are right back in this situation again, except this time we might be trying to trade up from the 20's instead of #11.

No more excuses, this is the year to take the gamble. We have nothing to lose as the old ways do not work as our history has shown. Oh and I am agreeing with everything you have said. This response is not directed at you, just using your post to caveat on what you have been saying.

No sofa,Erics not a troll your one to talk. Im not here to be a robot and post the in popular thing.

I doubt it. Its hard to argue semantics with someone spewing gibberish.

I do not dislike. I dislike the fact you assume im a racist. Im saying you do not win running around as a QB like some jack rabbit. I said nothing about color.Im talking about the style. The style is NOT a winning formula never has been. A QB is paid to make pin point passes not to be a RB and run around like a jackass. This is not a white,black issue I could care less about that.Any qb can run when LBS drop in coverage that takes no brains.So in closing a QB is suppose to throw. If they draft rg3 cool thats awesome. All I said who I would rather have.

If you think RG3 runs around like a "jackass" or that he can't make "pin point passes" then you've obviously have never seen him play. You are the only jackass around here by making those statements. RG3 is a pocket passer with pin point accuracy that happens to run a 4.4 forty.

You are suggesting he is a run first QB, and that is far from the truth.

Now, I ask again.
Tell us all about this "street ball" he plays?

Yes I have seen him play. Yes all that cute crap works in college not the nfl. Yes he completed passes against big 12 defense,COME ON NOW. Take the rose colored glasses off and look at the big picture.

Then stop comparing him to Vick. They have only three things in common.

1. Arm strength

2. Both are fast

3. You know what it is

The guy is head and shoulders a better QB prospect than Vick ever was.

Texas A&M played in the Big 12 also, and you want Tannehill? You are a troll

He still hit guys in stride 20+ yards down the field. I could care less who is covering him, or how much separation the WR has, hitting them in the hands is hitting them in the hands. Our current QB can't do that beyond 5 yards.

Yeah, the cute crap like a 72.4% completion percentage and a 6:1 TD/INT ratio?

Considering that Tannehill only had a 61.6% completion percentage and a 2:1 TD/INT ration against the same defenses says quite a bit about the level of dropoff between him and the next tier QBs.

You want to talk about "silly" defenses? Look at what Luck faced...PAC 10 Ds. Yet you don't talk about his lack of a football acumen.....

FYP

I don`t talk about luck because no chance of drafting him. But hell yes I think the same of him the defenses he faceed were worse. I do think luck is under prepared for the nfl. One reason newton was prepared is because he faced strong SEC defenses.

Who gives a crap what they can handle the first year in the NFL. Luck is going to be great in this league in all likelyhood, and RG3 has a great chance as well. Not sure how somebody can watch RG3 play and think he is only good because he is a better athlete than college kids. Then again I assume most people can spell correctly so anything is possible.

wat


And I'm fully aware you're not here to post the popular thing. Quite the opposite. You're here only to post the unpopular thing. That makes you a troll, troll.

Sorry if repost...

http://nfl.si.com/2012/02/29/who-mig...2_a2&eref=sihp


Kansas City Chiefs: Another team that met with Griffin at the combine, thereby at least kicking the tires on this possibility. Kansas City picks 11th, so the Chiefs would have to offer up a trade package even more lucrative than what Cleveland, Washington, Miami or possibly Buffalo could. Maybe they’d have to toss in a worthwhile player too — and since I’m wildly spitballing scenarios, I’ll toss out Jonathan Baldwin as a fit for the receiver-needy Rams if the Chiefs keep Dwayne Bowe in the fold.

The hurdles would be numerous for Kansas City to weave its way to the top of the draft, but remember that this is a team far from satisfied with its quarterback situation.

yes, yes it is

It'll never happen but I would imagine this place would implode I'd we somehow worked a deal to get RGIII.

....then kietzman would criticize the pick on Friday p.m.

NThen you would agree that rgiii alone isn't enough. We have to get him, be able to keep our own and continue to be successful in the draft. We can't draft a qb and abandon building his supporting cast trhough the draft. And our drafts mean nothing of we don't have a franchise qb.

And no, the elite qbs can win in spite of their supporting cast. We saw how bad pwytons supporting cast was. We've seen Brady and Rodgers win games even with a ton of injuries on the team. It's a rare qb that can do that.

Dog gone we're smart enough
we're good enough
& RGIII likes us

The problem is how the market for RGIII has exploded

It doesn't look like a couple 1st rounders will be enough and we will have to give up an additional pick to beat out Cleveland,Washington and Miami.

just for kicks, let's say we do tag/trade Bowe or Carr and get an additional 1st round pick.

our 1st (11)
bowe/carr 1st round(how high makes a big difference, let's say Dallas at 14)
our 2nd round pick
next year's 2nd

that's still probably not as much as the others are offering because we are at 11th. Would it be enough offer next year's 1st instead of the 2nd? I dunno

our 1st(11th)
our other 1st(14)
2nd round pick
next year's 1st

:shrug:

Can't do that. It will set this franchise back 5-6 years. Too expensive. We just need to hope he falls to us or hope a good one falls to us next year, or the year after that, or the year after that etc.... Until then we will start someone else's backup or washed up veteran.

Fisher loves him a good thug
Damn Pioli & his right 53

We can pick up RGIII when he's released in 2022. Championship....

i would still consider it

RGIII would be our 1st round pick this year
lose our 2nd
lose next year's 1st and 2nd
lose Bowe or Carr

sign a FA wr to replace Bowe
we already are losing Carr

not having a pick until the 3rd round next year would hurt but it's not going to destroy the team. We have enough money to fill more in FA.

I completely agree with you, just posting the inevitable argument before it is by someone else does.

If you wanted to really try and tag and trade Carr, we need to try and do it with a team that is above us int he draft.


If you could do it with Carolina for instance you would really have a chacne to get up to the 2 pick.

yea, that's true but would a team that high be willing to give that high pick up for Bowe or Carr?

Cleveland has #4 and #22

if we got the pick from Dallas we would have #11 and #14

don't know what the value comparison would be us vs cleveland in that scenario.

Dunno, thats the question.

With the old value chart it would be really close

Cleveland:
#4 - 2400
#22 - 1050
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total 3450

Chiefs
#11 - 1700
#14 - 1450
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Total - 3150

300 point difference = low 3rd round draft pick

If you could do that, it would be a pretty good deal.


I think alot of the reason the Browns are considered favs is that they can trade and still allow the Rams to get one of the blue chippers in the draft, like Blackmon or Kalil.

yep, but some people insist that the Rams are in a terrible cap situation so maybe the Rams can't afford a top 5 pick.

maybe 2 mid 1st round picks would work better with their cap room :shrug:

I think they have cap room to sign a pick, with the new wage scale.


Maybe they could cut Stephen Jackson, drop to 11, get another pick at 14, and take Richardson?

excuse me they are in the SEC

Is this guy serious? ^

That's not too expensive. That's actually a really good scenario, Laz.

Proof you are a troll. That response was totally pointless. He said "played" that is the past tense meaning that they were in the Big XII at the time regardless of where they are now. This is why others say you purposely post the opposite of what everyone else posts.

Carr and Bowe are going to cost a hell of a lot more than a top 5 pick. Top 5 picks are very reasonably priced right now. It's not like it was in the past. I highly doubt St. Louis makes the trade for several reasons. #1 - teams rarely trade out of the top 5 pick for a veteran. #2 - it's not just about clearing cap space to sign Carr. It's about clearing cap space so you can start rebuilding your team. Remember that the Chiefs had to systematicallly purge the team of dead weight before we could even THINK about getting aggressive in free agency. St. Louis is in that mode right now too. You can bet that they are much more interested in bringing in cheap rookie talent than they would be one who puts a strain on their long-term cap like Carr or Bowe.

I'm intrigued by your scenario of trading Carr to Dallas for their first rounder, though. Very good thought.

My goodness, is the world about to end? A scenario to get RGIII that you support.

If you read the thread, I want to trade up to get RGIII. I am supportive of any trade up that doesn't force us to abandon a bunch of our picks. I really like Laz's offer because the extra first round pick we'd be giving up is one we only get because we traded away a player we were planning to lose anyway.

Man you have me ROFL. Are people honestly this clueless? You sound like a Raider fan.

lol, Apparently not!

Did we get RG3 yet?

RGIII or:

Poe
Allen
Stephenson
Wylie
Menzie
Gray
Long

Yeah, that would have been an awful trade.

The 2012 draft class was far too important to the franchise than to trade it away for Griffin.

Good thing Clark is going to give Pioli a 5th chance

Good to see that Chiefzilla was on the wrong side of the argument.

What else is new?

If we ended up at eleven this year I'm on record saying we should sign Bowe and Albert and trade the next two drafts for Smith
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good thing we have no chance at signing Bowe or Albert and will have to play unproven turds like Baldwin and Stephenson to surround our 1st round rookie QB

thanks Scott you fat idiot

Fortunately, there's no way that happens.

:D

The Chiefs will pick top three, although I think number one overall until proven otherwise.

You guys are reeruned. The Redskins gave up two firsts and a second to swap up from the sixth pick. It would have taken at least an extra first for us to move up from #11, if not more simply because it would have been so far out. that is worth a shitton more than our entire 2012 and 2013 draft picks put together.

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At this point, RGIII is showing that he would have been worth whatever you had to trade for him. That kid is incredible.

Albert i think we can sign, Bowe, he's gone.

Yep that team was complete ass last year. They dont have any big name players BUT him and he's carrying the team. Thats what great qb's do.

I didn't say it wasn't worth it. I said it was infeasible for the Chiefs to match that offer. No one rang the RG3 bell harder or earlier here than me.

Moron.

I'm not the idiot spewing garbage about how we should have traded our entire 2012 and 2013 drafts when it STILL wouldn't have been enough.

I'd have given up the entire 2012 draft along with first rounders in 2013 and 2014 to get RGIII.

Who did the Chiefs draft this year that have made a difference? Who, outside of Houston in the 2011 draft, has made a difference?

The 2009 draft was a ****ing complete joke. No one should value these schmucks over RGIII.

You have reading comprehension issues.

So, what's your point?

:D

I don't know off hand what picks you guys had available to give.

All of them

That's what I was thinking.

Good to see that you're sniping me out. Why do you call out Clay for picking on every little mistake you make, and then you go out and stalk comments I made 6 months ago?

How in the world can you say I'm right or wrong on this issue? I was a huge fan of RGIII. But people on this thread acted like we had to match Washington. We didn't. We had to BEAT their offer and it would have amounted to one of the biggest draft day trades in NFL history.

Fantasy and delusion