What would be funny is if RG3 pulled a Eli Manning on their ass on draft day and say he wasn't playing there..

Thanks, although fake sympathy, or EVEN worse, really sympathy from a Raiders fan is a bigger kick in the balls then an insult.

And then chooses Cleveland over KC.....

iT'S NOT FAKE SYMPATHY, I never said I wanted you guys to build a dynasty, just give you someone behind center you can be proud to have.

A person familiar with the trade said the Redskins have a deal in place to acquire the No. 2 pick in the NFL draft from the St. Louis Rams. Washington will give up its first- and second-round selections this year, plus first-round picks in 2013 and 2014 in the trade, which can't be completed until the new league year begins Tuesday.

3?

The Redskins took a bold step Friday, shipping three first-round picks and a second-round selection to the St. Louis Rams in exchange for the No. 2 overall pick in the NFL draft. The stakes are high, as Mike Wise writes. Robert Griffin III could cure 20 years of bad quarterback play, or set the franchise back for years with the loss of draft picks.

3?

Man. I would trade 2 homies and maybe 3 bitch hos to see that happen.

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St. Louis will receive Washington’s first and second-round picks this year, and the Redskins’ first-round picks in 2013 and 2014, according to several media reports.

yes. 3.

Clearly, his brain cannot comprehend the equation as it stands. You must first convert 1st round picks to ass-capped homies.

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Like you said before, semantics. Techincally they are trading 3 picks. They are getting 1 back though, so they are only really sacrificing 2 picks. Then you consider that the pick they are getting back is going to be better than any of the 3 they are giving up and it makes the comparision of the 1st rounders this year better for Washington.

If you have 5 apples, give away 3 and get back 1, you have 3 apples. You have given away 3, but in the end your basket did not lose 3.

Just like a typical Chiefs fan, never willing to give enough up.

But the apples aren't equal - so they should be taken and merited individually. If the 2nd overall pick was equal to the 6th overall pick then, there wouldn't be this enormous discrepancy in compensation. So to allude that both picks are equal is silly.

Exactly. 1 homie is not like the other.

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And the Skins are getting the 2nd, while the Rams the 6th, so the swap of those apples favors the Skins....if I may mix metaphor with reality.

In fact, no two homies are alike.

Some homies are fat. Some homies are skinny. Some homies like porridge.

It's a freaking nightmare.

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But they also get a bitch ho.

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I keep forgetting to carry her in the equation.

Snyder is a moron.

This is worse than the NO trading away an entire draft for Ricky Williams.

At least in NO, this only effected one year's worth of draft picks.

A lot of players if not most players that are drafted in the 2nd day don't ever see the field, and don't play a significant amount of snaps. They may be camp fodder, projects, or practice squad guys. 1st days picks are usually the players that make up your starting core of your football team, the players that see most of the playing time. Obviously the team is highly invested in these players as they were chosen high in the draft.

Not having first rd picks for the following 2 seasons is ultimately going to cripple that franchise. The talent they have on that offense as it is, is sub par at best. As much of a talent RG3 is, he's not going to be able to do it by himself in his rookie season. Look at Cam Newton. Great talent, but the team as a whole was garbage. How are they going to build around RG3 if they're not going to get him weapons in the 1st rd of the draft???

Stan Kronke, Fisher and Co. just put clown shoes on Shanahan and Daniel Snyder. LOL Meanwhile, STL is now in a great position to build around Bradford. 5 first rd picks within the next 3 years (counting this year). They can surely do a LOT of damage in the draft with that kinda ammo. They need it too...

We want that for the raiders too. Wait... no we don't.

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I have to admit with the huge amount Washington gave up to move up three spots - Would it have made sense the team shows up unprepared and loses three more games, it's on the coach.

If the Rams are good at drafting, they're going to have a bright future.

Im not sure its possible to overpay or give up too much for a potential franchise QB. Especially for a hopeless franchise like the Redskins who have struggled for two decades. Good move by Snyder for once.

Excellent for a rebuilding team like the Rams too.

It depends on where you are as a franchise.

If you're like the Chiefs, where all you need is a QB to be legit SB contenders, then you go all-in for that prize franchise QB.

That's not the case in WAS, they have problems everywhere, and who are going to be RG3's weapons??? Santana Moss? Roy Helu??? LOL c'mon. They're not going to have any 1st rd draft picks to surround him w/ talent in the recent future. RG3 is going to be expected to virtually do this all by himself and that's usually a path to incompetence from the FO and failure, and leads eventually to coaches being fired.

This move is going to cripple that franchise.

I kinda feel like you should get the QB first, not last. You can win with a QB and a decent roster. You can't win with a really good roster and no QB.

Well that's exactly the situation we have here in KC. Like it or not. That's why we need to throw all of our cards on the table and get Peyton Manning. This team is ready to win NOW. At least getting Manning won't cause us to give up draft compensation.

It depends on the state of the franchise like I said before.

You need 1 of 2 things in order for a young rookie QB to be successful in the NFL. 1 - You either get him some weapons around him to take the load off, or 2 - You have a stud defense that holds teams to under 14 ppg, and you run the football and ask the young QB to just manage the game. WAS has neither.

I'm not necessarily saying that you don't go all in to go up and get your franchise QB, but I also think you have to be smart about it. Hell I'd rather pull a Ditka and sacrafice the entire 2012 draft and make due with some FA signings (you know Snyder wouldn't have a problem w/ that) and then still have a first rd pick for the next couple years after that. I mean the odds anyways that the players drafted this year (which is a thin draft btw) from rounds 4-7 aren't going to amount to much, if anything at all. Stats would show that they're probably not going to be with that same franchise a few seasons from now, and may not even be playing in the NFL at all. I guess it all depends on how you draft.

Don't get me wrong I think RG3 is going to be good, I just think they gave up too much....WAAAAY too much, and now they're not going to have any 1st rd draft picks in the recent future to surround RG3 with the talent he needs to be successful in this league (they don't have anyone on their team currently that they can trade to get a 1st rd in return either).

Just stuipid stupid typical Snyder. They better hit home runs on some late rd diamond in the rough draft picks or it's going to cripple them. They're already terrible as it is.......guess we'll see the outcome of this all.

You don't have to sell me man.

i'd do that deal in a heartbeat

amazing to me that after decades of winning jack shit, chiefs fans still care more about draft picks than QBs....unbelievable...

Scott Pioli wins the Draft Championship while trotting out Cassel for 4 years...

but ohnoes! it risky! to trade for a QB...let's draft DeCastro

three first-round draft picks. They are special.

Yeah, this is exactly why I was thinking we had no chance. Three #1s, all likely to be high picks? And that deal, big as it was, wouldn't have been enough to get us there. We'd have had to do even more. Possibly a lot more. They gave up that much to move four spots.

This is really a make-or-break move for the Redskins. If it pays off it pays off huge. But, damn, the cost. The team it really works for is the Rams. This may be their Herschel Walker trade.

Again with this nonsense.

When did we start rallying around this theme that a franchise qb is so important that it means the draft means absolutely nothing?

You have to BOTH draft well and have a franchise qb. You can't do one of those things and forget the other.

Number 1 pick in 2012, 2013, 2014, and #2 in 2012. That's a lot of high picks to give up.

Great move by Rams to move back 4 spots

we've done one without the other for 30 years...

can you guess which? you ****ing genious...

but keep telling yourself that boring story....we have no QB, but we've got draft picks...you must be thrilled

The Saints

Steelers

Patriots

All got their franchise QB's without giving up a super bounty of picks.

More times than not, these super trades back fire in the face of the people who give up everything.

Do that deal in a heartbeat?

jesus ****ing christ........

By the way, for those playing at home, what would it have taken for the Chiefs to beat this offer? The difference in known points is 410 points.

2012: First round, Second round
2013: First round, Second round
2014: First round, Second round
+probably another pick or two sprinkled in.

That's completely assuming that the Rams don't assume that the Redskins with RGIII are not going to be nearly as good in 2013 and 2014 as the Chiefs with RGIII. I mean, they have old and bad receivers, and their defense is nothing special. Even with RGIII, the Redskins are a bad team. They're probably going to be 10-15 picks ahead of the Chiefs the next 2 years. Let's assume VERY conservatively, that the Redskins with RGIII average a #10 pick the next 2 years while the Chiefs with RGIII average about a #20 pick. That's 900 points in value for the next 2 drafts, which means the Chiefs may have had to match Washington's draft compensation AND account for up to 1310 points. Want to know what that looks like? Here's a few scenarios:
Scenario 1 - 4 first round picks, 2 second round picks. Hell no.
Scenario 2 - First, second, and third round pick for 2012, 2013, 2014. Hell no.

Washington's trade value was pretty much unmatchable for the Chiefs.

hey dumb guy...when are we drafting a QB?

we haven't for 30 years.....but we saved our draft picks to get Dorsey and Jackson, which according to you is more important...

Give me a ****ing break. Yeah, I forgot that in all those 30 years, the Chiefs were outstanding in the draft.

There are 3 stories for the Chiefs' history:
1) Drafted like shit AND had no franchise QB. This is pretty much the majority of those 30 years.
2) Marty era. There was a 9-year span where we had an outstanding team, but no franchise QB. Let's not rule out that bad playoff coaching was also a huge culprit here.
3) Vermeil era. We had a top-tier QB but were one of the bottom 5 drafting teams in the NFL. You don't ever wonder how history would be different if the Chiefs drafted Polamalu instead of LJ? Freeney or John Henderson instead of Ryan Sims? 1 or 2 picks would have been good enough, probably, to move our defense from 32 to 20-25.

You are oversimplifying by saying the ONLY problem KC has had has been not having a franchise QB. We've also had bad coaches and have been mostly horribly ineffective at the draft.

Poor RGIII.

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You got a point there! We screw up draft picks no matter where we pick!

Next year you are going to see multiple teams obviously tanking towards the end of the year. There are a few qb's coming out who could get a haul of draft picks just like this.
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Dorsey was a no brainer. We tried to trade out of the Jackson pick but had no suitors.

Trading away your entire ****ing franchise for a guy with two years in a simplified offense is ****ing dumb. PERIOD.

If the Skins were a team like us, that was already stacked, and they were trading up for Luck, I'd agree with you. But that team is completely void of talent. Shit offensive line, shit WR's, shit RB's. Now, they won't have anything to put around their "franchise QB". Eveyrone know FA doesn't work in that regard. The draft is how you build your team.

So yeah, you don't throw away your drafts for QB's. The Saints, Steelers, Packers, and Patriots have won SB's the last decade without giving up their drafts. Generally giving up all those picks back fires in the face of those teams.

I'll remember this post in a couple of years, "smart guy".

Seeing what the Redskins gave up, ahhh...I want RGIII, but wow. I don't have enough faith he'll be a franchise QB to give up more than that.

The big difference is the Chiefs would have had to give an even much bigger haul to pull this off. They never had a chance at RGIII. It's Cleveland fans that should want to leap off a bridge for getting jumped like this. I don't see after looking at this deal that any rational person could say the Chiefs had a shot at RGIII.

As I pointed out in my above scenario.
The Chiefs either would have had to give up four firsts (technically 3) and one second. Or they would have to give up the first 3 picks for 2012, 2013, and 2014. That is way too ****ing much for RGIII.

No no no. there is no such thing as giving up too much for a first round quarterback.

:rolleyes:

All of you calling this a horrible move, are just butthurt, which seems to be going on a lot around here. Oh and they aren't trading drafts away you reeruns. Just first round drafts. The 2nd rounds for the next two years are safe, which I think is the most important round anyway.

lol wut

Actually look at the history of all 2nd round picks and get back to us. Then look at the 1st round.....

No.

Read my scenario above. I've said it twice. This couldn't be further from the truth.

Butthurt?

I was against this kind of trade from day 1, dumbass.

It was an awful move by a team that desperately needs more talent on the roster. Lining up a QB with two years in a simplified offense in college out there, with no talent around him is a recipe for disaster.

Wtf is wrong with this Jags fan..? Seriously does he have nothing better to do than trolling a chiefs site calling us butt hurt? round 2 is the most important round?? LMAO

Rob Gronkowski. Aaron Hernandez. Jordy Nelson. That is all.

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Wow. Case closed. No one could come up with equal or greater players from the 1st round. You win.

That's your argument? ROFL

How about this. You go get Gene Smith. I'll get Scott Pioli. We'll work out an agreement where the Chiefs will trade their 2nd round pick for the Jaguars 1st round pick in perpetuitiy.

This is the most humorous thing ive seen on chiefsplanet for a long ****ing time..

His post made baby mecca cry.....

# of Hall of Famers drafted in round 1: 96

# of Hall of Famers drafted in round 2: 29

I think this guys just mad cause his teams likely to be non existent in a few years time.

Well that's settled.

Even with this dumb argument that 2nd round picks are most important, you left out the part about how in order to match Washington, the Chiefs would likely have given up the first, second, and third round picks for 2012, 2013, adn 2014 to get RGIII.

So you're getting into a bad argument that's made even worse because it's completely irrelevant.

A couple of slightly above average TE's and a good #2 receiver is your argument?

I aim to please. :D
He won't do it. He won't do anything that shows any kind of backbone.


They won't be until the GM is gone. I expect this fully.

I would list the 1st rounders to trump your post, but it would take all day to list them.

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I know. I'm going to play SWTOR though. I think I've made it possible for the people that stayed up so late to actually get some sleep.

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2nd rounders are very important.

Peyton is like the hot chick in a room full of nerds. It makes it hard to think straight, and sometimes judgement is skewed a little bit, especially after an all-nighter.

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According to the NFL network, Washington is still the 3rd most-likely destination for Manning.

I guess we'll see what happens. The Deadskins better hope he doesn't turn out to be a bust.

Yup but sometimes you gotta get out of your comfort zone.... I have no idea if this kid is worth it but but it's price you pay to get who you want.

They filled a need with a good pick

Bold, bold move by Washington. If he pans out no one will remember what they gave up for him. If he does not, then heads will roll. Hopefully we win a SB in the next couple of years with the picks we kept though since they are far more valuable than a potential franchise QB.

Heads where probably on their way to rolling without this move. They don't have a QB. Now, the coaches & management have given themselves a chance.

Good for them for making a bold move for a QB.

RG3 definately has an uphill battle in front of him. The Redskins roster is pretty shitty as it stands now, and they just sacrificed the next THREE YEARS of first round picks. So they get RG3 this year, and then rounds 3-7 to do something to help him out this season.

Pretty scary prospect to think that the future of building your team for the next few years rests on free agency.

Im glad the Chiefs didnt do something so risky. Football God help the Redskins if RG3 gets injured for any length of time.

Theyre gonna put in his contract that he cant wipe his own ass without assistance for fear he could injure himself and not be available for the season.



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Rush Limbaugh approves this thread. Obama, even more.

I would laugh so hard if RG3 said, "Screw this; I'm not going to the 'skins," and then sat out a year to go to law school and re-enter the draft next year.

which is just stupid.

Manning is not going someplace where a team is going to use a 1st round pick on a QB replacement instead of player that will help win while Manning is at QB.

Uhhm,... actually the Rams.

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Dammit 22 pages of replies. I ain't reading all , but reading the first few it's funny some of you guys even thought we had any ammo and chance to trade up to two. Just because you are in man-love with RG3 does not mean the Chiefs had an ice cream cone in hell's chance to get him.

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If Manning were to sign with the Skins, he would disprove the belief that he's the smartest guy in the room.

They have no chance of winning in the next 3 years.

The thing is, they can use free agency to find him a weapon (Vincent Jackson) and a LT to protect his blindside (Demetrius Bell) this year.

They can fill some holes in the 2nd and thrid rounds, and later in the 2013 and 2014 drafts.

In 2015, they'll be in position to really compete as RGIII is just hitting the earliest stages of his prime years.

This is a move for the future.

They now have hope for that future, unlike the Chiefs for the last 30 years.

There's no way the Chiefs could have competed with the Skins offer, but this deal isn't nearly as crippling to the Skins as some are making it seem.