JC

Hey, I have one of those

Nope. 1.5 good seasons to his name.

Tamba

Close, but Bowe has had a better overall career.

You don't even believe the shit you type, you know you don't. If you do then you are as much a dumbass as Knowmo.

. ROFL

So you're gonna fault him for Todd not recognizing his talent sooner and a knee injury?

I love Bowe, but Defenses gameplan for JC, not Bowe.

Bowe has had 4 very, very good seasons.

I don't see any other Chiefs on the current roster who have done that.

JC might surpass Bowe. He's not there yet. He certainly didn't lead the league in TD.

Quite honestly, the disrespect for Bowe around here continues to baffle me.

I hope he never slaps a woman or anything, because everyone would hate him then.

No he has had 1 great season 3 decent ones and a turd.

36 TDs in 5 years. That's with a season at 15. So his other 4 seasons he had 21 for an average of 4.25 a year.

Wake up. I know Cassel and crew didn't help but you can't just give home some magic handicap.

It's not disrespect it's realism. And for the record Bowe doesn't slap women he imports them.

I don't dislike Bowe at all. Matter of fact, Id probably pay more for the guy than most would. I think he's a stud.

He's had an A+ season, an A- and two B+ seasons.

Hali comes close, but not quite.

The fan base should have immense respect for what he's done, but continues to shaft him.

Kindly name the team that's never lost a free agent or had a player ask to be traded.

Not asking Pioli to be perfect.

He needs to get this done, though. It's going to be a turning point for this regime, because without Bowe, Pioli's going to end up as one of the worst "GMs" to ever run this team.

I guess you weren't around for the mid 70's through 80's teams.

It's just hyperbole which is his true specialty.

the only other GM you've known is Carl Peterson. Moron.

Losing 75 percent of the time would rival even future GMs.

Of course you're not. You're just trolling and using everything you can pretend is a problem as an argument. We get that. Now, please name the team(s) that have never lost free agents or had a player ask to be traded.

Even for you, this is really pathetic stuff. Pioli's already taken this team from being probably the least talented in the NFL to the most talented in the division and among the most talented in the conference, and he's won yet another EOY title in the process. Bowe is sure as hell not going to be the definer of Pioli's tenure in KC.

Means nothing if we don't win.

Absolutely nothing.

Pathetic standard.

I would pay him 80 million over 7 years.

If he's asking 100 million... well. I'm not going to hamstring my team's future.

Yeah... But the Chiefs have lost A Lot since Pioli took over.

& had some very bad signings.

& most of the teams talent was picked up before he arrived, which really minimizes Piolis impact

It means quite a bit, as you know. After all, to use your own words, "That's part of the GM's job".

Yes indeed.

And if he doesn't do that part of his job, we won't win.

Most of this post is really stupid.

What bad signings?

Most of the teams talent?

Really?

JFC

He's already done it. You can't even keep your troll posts straight at this point, huh?

Sorry, but letting Bowe go will be a distinct fail in that department.

No apology is necessary. You're allowed to be wrong, even when you troll.

What do you think our record would be without Bowe? 6-10?

It's way too early to tell something like that and, if that had been the thought process, they likely would have gone after someone as a replacement, so it's really a question that demands either an artificial environment or a Bowe holdout.

Really?

See Todd Haley

See Mark ****ing Castle

You're just debating cuz u can old man

& yes, damn near all of the Chiefs good players were here before Scott.

I'm not saying... But I'm just saying...

DJ was trash
So was Dorsey, who was 40 pounds overweight and was looking like a total bust
Hali was average and seemed topped out
Carr and Flowers showed promise
Bowe was either ice cold or on fire and couldn't beat press

The people were here, but they became players under the system instituted by Scott.

All but the corners and Bowe were borderline lost causes.

Am I the only one that remembers how truly bad we were in 2008?

Most of Pioli's signings have contributed like 8 games and sucked the rest.

One of the biggest urban myths out there.

To get back to the question at hand, yes I'd give Bowe that money.



50 mil guaranteed should do the trick.

ROFL at "the system instituted by scott"

I'm not saying he had nothing to do with the turn around, but there were waayyy too many factors to give that type of credit to the GM.

The main factor being simple player development. Players get better in their primes. And if anything, credit is due to the coaches. (Scott did hire the coaches)

Still doesn't change the FACTS

KC has been a very bad team for most of his regime. And Scott Pioli has some very bad blemishes as GM of the Kansas City Chiefs

40 would do it.

Lavar arrington 2

Massive talent. Could cover receivers and blow up plays, but he also missed lots of tackles and was totally undisciplined in run defense. He was also very soft at the point of attack and totally disappeared for games at a time.

He was on his way out of the league on the same road as Arrington.

Big whiffa, no batta.

Now, he is one of the best defensive players in the league.

The actual catalyst was Pioli.

If you guys want to tear him down for his faults, at least be fair and credit him with what he has done well.

:spock:

So, you disagree with me, but you agree with me.

Ok.

Facts are facts and Pioli changed us to a 3-4 the moment he signed on the dotted line.

JFC just look who we took 3rd overall and waited all offseason for as dc (even though Romeo decided to take the year off and we ended up naming Clancy the dc for a year to wait for RAC.)

No, the catalyst was Todd Haley.

He's gone.

You're wrong and don't understand the term.

Being that Pioli hired Haley knowing full well about his motivational techniques, the catalyst was Pioli.

I don't think Scott Pioli knew shit about Todd Haley, and that's why he fired him in the end.

It wasn't some inspired hire. It was just Scott being Scott and deferring to the Patriot Way.

GTFO

Haley was Parcells prodige at NY and Dallas.

Parcells is SPs FIL.

He knew everything about him.

lavar arrington is no longer in the nfl due to injuries, nothing to do with his play. he WAS a bit of a freelancer, but not to the point that he was run out of the league.

You are taking stupidity to a new level.

Tamba Hali has excelled in the 4-3. Pioli brought the 4-3 to KC. That doesn't mean Pioli gets credit for Hali's success. It's not like Pioli hand picked a defensive scheme to maximize Tamba Hali. He picked a defense that he wanted regardless of who was on the team (see Glenn Dorsey). It just hapens that it was a better fit for Hali.

Same goes for DJ. His rise isn't the payoff of some master plan. Todd Haley didn't get a HC job because Pioli thought he'd get the most out of Derrick Johnson. To suggest as much requires a mind bottling suspension of common sense.

The statement was that most of our talent was already here before Pioli. That is fact without question.

Pioli has drafted Berry, a bunch of guys that we believe have potential, and a 2 first round dlineman in an attempt to justify his choice in defensive schemes. That's a lot more maybes than anything else, with one sure thing mixed in.

And right now his legacy in KC is a shitty w/l record with a bunch of promising young players obtained through a rebuilding process that Herm and Peterson did the dirty work for.

Clapping gif. Everyone knows the one.

Flowers
Carr
DJ
Hali
Dorsey
Charles
Bowe
Albert

Jackson
Berry
Houston
Baldwin
Arenas
Moeaki
Bailey
Belcher
Lewis
Breaston
Asamoah
Winston
Boss
Hillis
Hudson

Bailey, Hudson, and Baldwin have done jack shit. By what measurable standard can you say they are anything other than "yet to be determined". Same can be said for Boss, Winston, and Hillis regarding their time in KC. Moeaki and Houston are small sample size to be spoken of in the same breath as guys like Charles, Bowe, and Hali. Belcher, Arenas, and Jackson are middle of the road players who may not see a 2nd contract from KC.

I guess we can argue over what constitutes "talent" in the context of the conversation. To me, outside of Berry and perhaps Breaston, the stars of this team were already in place. Everyone else you listed is a combination of JAGs and maybes.

Except that Arrington was Pro Bowl/All Pro his first three years in the league. It took DJ seven years. So actually they are not the same. One had success out of the gate and the other is finally reaching potential on the backend of his career. Their "on their way out of the league stories" are not the same at all based on their talent level of play.

I love your selective memory. DJ was probably the most disappointing draft pick on the team at the time Pioli took over.

He was a train wreck that showed flashes at times. I thought for sure he was going to wash out and be done.

DJ even admitted later that he hadn't been very focused and had some off field issues effecting him. He was looking like a bust.

The urban myth is that because you make videos and post 1,000 times a day it means you have a clue about what you are talking about.

Boom goes the Dynamite...

Didn't people want him traded for a 3rd rounder?

And yet he was a decent starting NFL linebacker any way you slice it.

The idea that he was a total bust is not true.

Yes, because at the time Haley had him playing 2nd and 3rd string, and the thinking was "if he isn't going to get on the field, get something for him."

Most of the inherited guys hadn't done shit, either, when Pioli took over.

What's your point?

Dorsey, Albert and Bowe were massively overweight...that's a clear sign of laziness.

DJ was a borderline starter.

Hali was topped out as an average pass rusher that was a rag doll in run support.

The corners were talented, but needed coaching to get where they are today.

Charles flashed elite talent late 2008 as a rookie, but he was injury prone, small and fumbled a lot.

Some of you have very select memories about how poor that 2008 team was.

IMO the only guys that were directed stars when Pioli took over were

Bowe
Flowers

Everyone else needed a major overhaul to get where they are now.

Some of you have serious memory issues.

People wanted DJ gone after 2008.

He was in the same conversations as Pollard.

And you can't say those guys wouldn't have improved under another coaching staff.

The Patriot Way is not the ****ing midas touch.

That's a stupid ****ing argument.

No, it's not. It's common ****ing sense.

No. Not a wide receiver.

Anybody who thinks that Pioli hasn't improved the talent level on this team is either stupid or won't give into their own agenda. His one big fail has been Cassel.

Sure he has improved the talent.




Now it's his job to keep bringing in talent and keep said talent here.

From Jason La Canfora

http://www.cbssports.com/columns/sto...ight-get-deals

Great news!!

Good, we don't need that selfish diva and his flexing in practice!!!

I would never pay him because I'm truly worried about Clark and his money.

Next year is looking good with Pioli needing to secure long term contracts with Dorsey, Bowe and Albert. Plus Routt will be scheduled to make 9.5 against the cap.

The Gulfstream VII needs a new set of tires.

He's got to save some cash for Cassel's next extension.

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IF he loses both Bowe and carr that will be his second big fail.

Todd Haley

Tyson Jackson at #3

Dexter McCluster in the second round

More than 2 fails by my count

I thought he had the Citation X?

Wow that blew ass... They suck the ball sack of Cassel.

Here is the list of Pioli failings:

Matt Cassel

That's it in my book.

I understand that opinion is subjective but for you, what constitutes a fail by a GM?

No he sucked and was below average and you damn well know it.


So lets make this clear -

If they suck and they improve Pioli gets no credit because any coaching staff could have done that.

If they suck and continue to suck then Pioli failed?

Yup sounds like your usual shit.

I don't even like Pioli and can't stand your weak ass bullshit.