Unless he plays well, I don't see how the guy makes it through this season.



But I've been wrong before.

Cassel has 1 more game winning drive than Orton LMAO

Well, according to our Iowa friends, Pioli already has drafted that guy.

Yeah, I know, but given Cassel or Orton, I'm taking Cassel. He would have the shortest leash out of the two. No way would Orton come back and only play a year.

With our D and running game he wouldn't have to lead a game winning drive very often.

We would rape faces.

He would put it in the end zone more with our talent. No question. He's never worked with our kind of talent.

Orton would drive us down the field, running game and huge ass receivers take over in the red zone.

Beast **** mode on the entire league.

Just going by what I've been told.

Doesn't usually happen, but I agree with this.

Seeing as how Orton is one of the worst QBs in the league in the redzone, I'm pretty sure it would happen more than you think.

There's Cassel 3:16.

And there's Orton 1:5. 5 redzone possessions (IIRC all of them inside the 10), yet only one touchdown.

This is true, and the only acceptable argument I will entertain for not signing Orton.

Too bad it didn't occur to Pioli.

That's why you ahve Charles and Hillis.

ROFL ROFL Yeah, he'll suddenly become a redzone machine after a whole career of being bottom 5.

There's a reason he's a backup right now Clay.

He never had a running game and two receivers like we have, plus Moeaki.

We would be an incredibly productive offense.

He wouldn't *need* to be a red zone machine.

The machine would be the talent around him.

There would be no pressure on him.

He failed in Denver because ALL the pressure was on him.

Yeah, that's nice, but then we're back into the Cassel zone where the QB has to rely on his teammates to bail him out.

Why should Charles and Hillis have more responsibility in the redzone than the damn QB?

Oh, a QB that can't handle pressure.


SIGN ME UP!

Who cares? We'd win 11 games and be a top 10 offense.

Orton couldn't **** this up if he tried.

Orton would be as good as Trent Green was in Vermeil's offense.

We all know what a douche Trent looked like when the talent around him was lacking. He kinda sucked in the red zone.

You guys are arguing between ass cancer and lung cancer.

People said the same things about Trent Green before he got in the driver's seat of one of the most talented offenses in the league.

All Trent had to do was drive the machine, and let Tony and Priest do the heavy lifting.

Orton would drive the machine and let Charles, Bowe, Moeaki and Baldwin do the heavy lifting.

It really is a fool's gold argument, because Orton would lose to Tom Brady or whoever in the playoffs, but it bugs me that anyone would say Orton and Cassel are the same guy.

We would have beaten the Ravens with Orton.

Thank you.
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Just think last year we had ass lung throat AND brain cancer.

Cassel Orton Palko Haley
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Like I said, the babysitter is gone and Pioli doesn't trust Bowe with an overpriced contract because Crennel is not the type to continually keep giving Bowe a "performance colonoscopy check" every week.:shrug:

Orton sucks in the red zone. That's why he is only marginally better than Cassel. He'll move it up and down the field all game and settle for FGs or throw a pick.

Clay is kicking the shit out of this page.

I can't believe my eyes.

I totally agree that the chasm between Orton and Cassel is as big as the grand canyon.

Orton moved the ball and the offense immediately showed up.

Our defense rested and were able to adjustments because Orton extended drives.

The most impressive part of that, to me, was that he did it without a running game.

The absolute best option this offseason was re-signing Orton...cutting Cassel and drafting a kid in the first round with full intension of sitting him one full year before opening a competition for starter in year two.

Then, they wouldnt have straight lied to us with the whole "increased quarterback competition" talk.

Giving us Brady Quinn is a slap in the face and insult to the fanbases intelligence.

Sorry, pest.

When your redzone targets are:

Dwayne Bowe
Jon Baldwin
Tony Moeaki
Kevin Boss
Jamaal Charles/Hillis

All of those guys are big and can get open.

It's gonna be awfully hard to "suck"

Exactly. He give the D some rest and generally better field position, but not scoring is not scoring...

true and he has always had problems throwing tds in the red zone, but

Jackie Battle
Thomas Jones
Pope/that guy

Peyton Hillis
Jamaal Charles
Tony Moeaki/Kevin Boss

That's a huge red zone ammo upgrade.

LOVE ME.

LOVE ME HARD, AND LOVE ME NOW.

YOU'VE NEVER BEEN HOTTER.

OH MY GOD.

I'm going with the, "always" had that problem, and he has had some stud WR's that he still couldn't hit in the red zone. I'd rather have one more year of failure from Cassel, than being teased by Orton for a few more. I see it as a lose/lose longer situation.

Orton wasn't in KC long enough for the honeymoon period to wear off. The guy is waaaay too cautious with the ball and has zero pocket presence. He sucks in the redzone because he isn't willing to throw the ball into tight spots. Orton had to have led the league in passes thrown out of bounds.

There was actually a point in Orton's career in Denver where I kind of envied Matt Cassel's mobility. Orton didn't earn the name "Pocket Sloth" for nothing.

Despite this, he is sacked less than Cassel over the last 37 games.

Cassel's pocket presence is worse than his passing.

You will learn to love Stanzi.

I disagree.

I firmly believe that if the Chiefs were to get into the playoffs and get their asses handed to them the same Ravens-style 2010, Cassel would be back next year, even if his level of mediocrity was lower than the level of '10.

And yes, 27-7 notwithstanding, make no mistake, 2010 was a mediocre year for Cassel.

Orton would not get the same consideration.

As for red one efficiency, Claythan is right.

Elite QBs can overcome the lack of threat of a running game that can punch the ball in.

2nd and 3rd tier QBs can not.

Cassel is an old GMC Gremlin with no tires sitting in trailer thrash's front lawn.

Orton is the old Ford Maverick that still runs and gets trailer thrash to Wal Mart.

Pretty big difference there, IMO. At least one, ostensibly, was contracted through a somewhat enjoyable act.

Orton loses more yards per sack than Cassel does. Cassel also has much more rushing yards than Orton. Cassel had more yards in 10 games last year than Orton has had in any season. Orton wishes he could have Cassel's mobility.

A sack is a sack. The less it happens, the better.

No one gives a **** about rushing yards. Cassel only racks up rushing yards because he can't/won't throw the ball to someone and panics.

Any extra rushing yards Cassel adds, Orton compensates for easily with his stellar 249 YPG average.

How much would our offense have raped in those 3 games with Orton if Jamaal and Tony were healthy?

And Cassel is compensates with more TDs.


Cassel wins the handicap olympics.

Wrong. TDs are the same.

And Orton would produce more TDs with the Chiefs' talent, we all know that.

Let's all be reminded and reminded!

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Career TDs: Orton- 80 Cassel- 76
Number of Starts: Orton- 69 Cassel- 54
TDs per start: Orton- 1.16 Cassel-1.41

He sucks. Hell, he could only get 20 TDs in 2010 playing the NFC West ROFL

You keep trying to bring Chicago and New England into this. It's not relevant.

Over the last 37 games? In Kansas City and Denver? Identical TD production.

Yes it is relevant. You don't get to pick and choose what years you want to throw in this. It's no coincidence that you want to stop counting years the year Cassel threw for 3600 yards and 21 TDs while Orton had 2900 yards and 18TDs. I'm including every year. No bias in my stats.

And over the past 3 years, Cassel has 53 TDs to Orton's 50 so...

Of those td passes Cassel had, I'd like to see how many came on short throws that guys took the distance or fades that a guy made a crazy catch on.

Orton is a different player than he was in Chicago.

Not really, he was a backup in Chicago too LMAO

Tapping out. Concession offered.

How many of Ortons TDs are of Brandon Marshall/Brandon Lloyd making crazy catches or catching fades? How many are on short throws that Royal and Lloyd took the distance?

How was it a tap out? He wouldn't be sitting on the bench right now if he was truly good. If he is a much different player, he wouldn't have been benched for Tim Tebow and then cut.

Good QBs are the hottest commodity in the NFL. If he was a good QB, he'd be a starter right now.

No, you misunderstand.

You've outlasted me. I've reached my breaking point. My debate-o-matic is burned out.

I am tapping out.

Congrats.

BINGO !

I can't argue stats or anything, but just by seeing Orton play and Cassel play, Orton just looked like a better passer to me. However, we're a team that hasn't won a Super Bowl in over 40 years and hasn't won a playoff game in nearly 20. To sit here and say Kyle ****ing Orton is the man we need on the job would just be idiotic. Neither Cassel or Orton are winning a damn Super Bowl for us, so who gives a shit.

Living out here in donkey country I saw every game he played and his redzone play sucked because he had no talent around him good enough to make it happen when the D's tightened up. Orton would have rocked here IMO but Pioli got scared as shit imagining just that point you make with the above guys mentioned and it would have been too controversial for Cassel because Orton would have shown him up big time and especially with the arm accuracy and strength.

Dollars to donuts that Orton would at least get us to the AFC championship and possible win it depending on who we played whereas Cassel shits his pants the first playoff game as usual.

Orton is better in my opinion than Cassel. So I agree with you there. However, to say that he would "at least get us to the AFC Championship game" is pretty bold considering there are teams besides us that could use an upgrade at starting QB and meanwhile Orton is a backup for Dallas.

Orton would take us to a SB?

LMAO

Someone should tell Jerry Jones ASAP that he's starting the wrong guy.

Hey if Grossman could get there and IMO Orton is a helluva a lot better than Grossman, and with the right offensive weapons healthy around him and better than average D maybe in the top 10 he at least could get us to the AFC championship IMO. I think he would be like a kid in a candy store with JC and Hillis in the backfield and able to throw to guys like Bowe,Breaston,Baldwin,Moe and Boss. But hell, if JJ is offering 6 mil a yr at bu and Pioli doesn't even come close then well....... do you blame him?

Would love to see Orton get a chance to light Romo's ass up somehow now that he has some talent around him down there and time to really learn the playbook.

Don't do drugs.

I feel sorry for the folks getting advice from this guy. Is he really a shrink?

Yeah. I really do see a Qb who averages less than 20 TDS a season winning a Superbowl.

And Romo could break both arms and he'd still be better than Orton.
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I've heard that the suicide rate in the mental health profession is one of the highest of any profession.

I have to believe that number is wrong.

Law enforcemant and coroners have to be mischaracterizing accidental deaths as suicides, because, if Sportsshrink is any indication, they have to be too stupid to go through life without accidentally killing themselves.