Originally Posted by Frosty (Post 8859740)

It's keg! I thought maybe you left forever or something.

Originally Posted by Frosty (Post 8859661)

http://anthonycolpo.com/?p=1743

http://anthonycolpo.com/?p=2028

It doesn't happen to everyone and it seems to be avoided by consuming about 50 g carbs per day.

When you go very low carb (VLC), your body tries to maintain blood sugar levels through the glycogen stored in your liver. Eventually your body switches over to ketones for fuel, reducing the need for glucose. However, not everything in your body can run on ketones, so some glucose is still necessary (about 50 g /day). If you aren't eating carbs that glucose has to come primarily from converting protein to glucose (gluconeogenesis).

Gluconeogenesis isn't very efficient, though, and it takes about 2g of protein for 1g of glucose. If you aren't getting enough protein or exercising too hard (like long distance running or biking) you can end up in a state of permanently depleted liver glycogen, which is a sign of starvation to the body. The body reacts to this by slowing the metabolism (through the thyroid).

Refeeds and diet breaks work because they replenish the liver glycogen, signalling the thyroid that everything is fine and you aren't starving. Also, I think some people are just better at gluconeogenesis and can keep their glycogen topped off.

BTW, if you do LC below 50g/day, you need to increase your protein intake quite a bit to avoid losing muscle while trying to maintain blood sugar levels.

Originally Posted by Buck (Post 8860043)

Just wondering how old you are.

Originally Posted by Frosty (Post 8860052)

Was 46 when started ZC.

Originally Posted by Buck (Post 8860062)

When I went to the doc he gave me a clean bill of health and said my thyroid was okay.

I'm wondering if age has anything to do with it.

Don't you have gluten-allergies too? Could your problems with zero Carb possibly be elated to some inherent issue with that sensitivity?

Originally Posted by jiveturkey (Post 8860097)

I've been on Paleo for a while now and I'm down 45 lbs on the year. My weight is below what it was when I was 19 and my performance exceeds what I was at during my physical peak in the military.

I recommend it to everyone that asks and to family members that don't.

It's lower carb than a standard diet but I personally eat fruit everyday and I eat veggies that are high in carbs. Going extreme low carb seems to f with me.

It's basically the elimination of sugar and grains (rice, wheat, corn...). One of the best books that I can recommend is http://www.amazon.com/Practical-Pale...balanced+bites

The recipes rock and she breaks down the diet in a very basic way. There's a lot of other books that get way more scientific but those seem to scare people away.

Sign up for this newsletter and get yourself his workout book http://www.marksdailyapple.com/subsc...#axzz24l6P4cJj

It's helped me simplify things. I no longer f around with long distance cardio and I regularly kick my own ass with his sprinting program. My friend who is a marathoner was blown away by basic sprints and we were both sore as a mofo after our first attempt. It's a great workout. I also dig the basic pullup/pushup workouts. I'm building muscle faster that I ever did with crazy weight workouts.

Originally Posted by jiveturkey (Post 8860105)

And I requested to join the group.

Originally Posted by morphius (Post 8860117)

For cardio I do prefer HIIT, it can be a killer compared to most other routines. I'm trying to work my way back into it as earlier this year I was doing 60 second sprints, 60 seconds rest 10 times.

Originally Posted by jiveturkey (Post 8860127)

I just started the sprinting and only do it once a week.

I do 6 x 50 meters at half speed and then 6 x 50 all out with a 400 meter warm up.

The first attempt left my lower body in shambles. The 2nd attempt was better but I was still sore for 3 days and my latest attempt felt really good.

I'm surprised that there's so many muscles that I wasn't hitting with distance running, swimming or weights in the past.

I'll start mixing in hill sprints and working up to 100 meter workouts eventually.

Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts (Post 8860171)

Love that picture. I'm going to do a weigh in on 09/01 for anyone who wants too. I already know my approximate starting weight, and I'm purposely waiting until 10/01 to find out where I'm at. I don't want a scale to be a part of this process for the first 2-3 months. I'm going to weigh monthly just to make sure I'm hitting targets and for adjustment purposes. The last time I did this I obsessed over the scale way too much. I'd like to find something else to obsess over this time around. :)

Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 8860215)

What kind of phone you have?

Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts (Post 8860291)

Samsung galaxy s3.

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 8860344)

Question since you're going keto.

What kind of recipes are you looking at? I'm trying to find easy things that don't require a lot of work.

Are you going zero carb or keeping it under 50?

Originally Posted by Saulbadguy (Post 8860368)

Breakfast-
4 oz Skim Milk
1 slice of toast (45 calorie Sara Lee)

Morning snack -
Banana
Light string chz

Lunch -
Chef Boyardee Spaghetti and Meatballs
1 Kiwi

Snack-
Apple

Dinner -
28 oz Light beer
1 Tomato w/ 2 tbps balsamic vinegar
6 garlic stuffed olives
"Smart ones" TV dinner
1 slice bread
1 single serving Broccoli w/ chz

Snack -
1 slice bread /w natural peanut butter
1 Edy's "fruit bar"

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 8860344)

Question since you're going keto.

What kind of recipes are you looking at? I'm trying to find easy things that don't require a lot of work.

Are you going zero carb or keeping it under 50?

Originally Posted by Buck (Post 8860625)

Why did you have to ruin a perfectly good day with Chef Boyardee?

Originally Posted by jiveturkey (Post 8860419)

Lunch-left over beef short ribs slow cooked in tomato sauce/balsamic vinegar and dates with a side of diced carrots baked with diced dates (I used left over bacon grease on the carrots).

Dinner- chipolte cubed chicken breast cooked in coconut oil. I then used butter lettuce and made wraps with avacado and grape tomatoes. The chipotle seasoning was nice and spicy.

Post workout snack-banana with approximately 1 tbsp of buckwheat honey.

I don't eat breakfast.

I'll likely sneak a small piece of dark/mint chocolate later.

Originally Posted by Buck (Post 8860619)

I don't know what my calories and shit were because I pretty much stopped counting, but here's what I ate.

Breakfast -
Coffee w/ 2 Tbsp Heavy Cream & Splenda
6 Slices Bacon
1 Egg

Lunch -
2 Pork Chops (4 oz each)
Salad w/ 1 Tbsp of Ranch Dressing

Dinner-
10 oz Carne Asada (marinated skirt steak)
2 Tbsp Guacamole

Originally Posted by luv (Post 8860837)

Did you know that having some type of protein within an hour after waking up gives you an extra boost of energy about 6 hours later? I quit drinking my protein shakes for breakfast for a little while (I'm not a breakfast person either), and I can definitely tell a huge difference come about 2pm.

Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 8860883)

I'm not seeing your five daily fruits and vegetables here.

Originally Posted by luv (Post 8860837)

Did you know that having some type of protein within an hour after waking up gives you an extra boost of energy about 6 hours later? I quit drinking my protein shakes for breakfast for a little while (I'm not a breakfast person either), and I can definitely tell a huge difference come about 2pm.

Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts (Post 8861212)

Done. Back was better this morning. Feeling good about my day.

Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts (Post 8861212)

Done. Back was better this morning. Feeling good about my day.

Originally Posted by Saulbadguy (Post 8861229)

link please

Originally Posted by luv (Post 8860837)

Did you know that having some type of protein within an hour after waking up gives you an extra boost of energy about 6 hours later? I quit drinking my protein shakes for breakfast for a little while (I'm not a breakfast person either), and I can definitely tell a huge difference come about 2pm.

Originally Posted by jiveturkey (Post 8861309)

I don't have an issue with energy.

Originally Posted by luv (Post 8861367)

For those drastically cutting calories, just remember that calories are energy. If you find that you're feeling more fatigued, then you may just need to try eating a bit more or drinking more water (don't want to cramp up).

Sorry, Saul, no link for that either.

Originally Posted by Saulbadguy (Post 8861380)

Coffee. 0 calories, UNLIMITED POWER

Originally Posted by luv (Post 8861414)

My coffee is 40 calories per cup. I haven't mastered drinking it black yet. No sugar, and one of those single serving liquid creamer thingies is 40 calories. I never drink more than two cups. So basically 80 calories and a banana has been my breakfasts as of late. Protein shakes start again next week, so no more coffee.

Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts (Post 8861394)

Guys, I love sharing info here but let's be positive with one another. We'll figure out what works for us individually. It's fine to disagree, just make sure we don't make anyone feel unwelcome. We're all reaching for the same goals.

Originally Posted by Saulbadguy (Post 8861430)

What kind of coffee are you drinking? I'd recommend a light roast, things that say "breakfast blend" or something like that. Also not folgers/maxwell house.

Originally Posted by Aspengc8 (Post 8861452)

Just my $.02 for your guys doing keto. Make sure your eating a lot of green leafy veggies. Sautee some brocc or spinach in olive oil and garlic, its very good and helps 'move things aloong'. Definitely take a EFA/fish oil supplement, especially with all the sat fat your eating. Try to stay away from prcoessed crap meats like pepperoni, salami, etc. Also remember that total calories ultimately count, and its very easy to go over your daily cals since fat is double the cals of protein or carbs.

I used the metabolic diet (CKD) for about a year to get weight in check. It is a great diet, but absolutely sucks if your trying to lift any reasonably amount of weight, play a intense sport or build muscle. Takes a couple weeks for your body to adapt to fat as your main source of energy instead of carbs, so the first couple weeks suck, you have to push through it.

Good luck.

Originally Posted by Saulbadguy (Post 8861380)

Coffee. 0 calories, UNLIMITED POWER

Originally Posted by Saulbadguy (Post 8861430)

What kind of coffee are you drinking? I'd recommend a light roast, things that say "breakfast blend" or something like that. Also not folgers/maxwell house.

Originally Posted by CJizzles (Post 8861352)

Breakfast today -- sugar free Amp. I also have some bananas, an apple and an orange.

Lunch with be salad with a little bacon ranch.

Dinner will be grilled chicken with corn.

Dessert will be more grapes and strawberries.

Originally Posted by Big Smoke (Post 8861814)

That sounds delicious. I can honestly say I wish I could afford to eat like that. Being a recent college graduate out on my own I can't afford much...

Originally Posted by NewChief (Post 8861828)

None of that food is expensive.

Originally Posted by Big Smoke (Post 8861859)

It's expensive enough. How are you going to sit there and tell me what I can and can't afford to eat?

Originally Posted by Big Smoke (Post 8861814)

That sounds delicious. I can honestly say I wish I could afford to eat like that. Being a recent college graduate out on my own I can't afford much...

Originally Posted by NewChief (Post 8861864)

I'm just telling you that I don't see how that food is more expensive than any other food, especially if you're eating out.

Originally Posted by Saulbadguy (Post 8861869)

the AMP is probably the most expensive thing.

Originally Posted by Big Smoke (Post 8861883)

So everyone in the word can afford $10 worth of food everyday? That's assuming you eat two of those meals a day and drink water.

Originally Posted by NewChief (Post 8861889)

That "meal" was all 3 of his meals, the total cost of which I estimate to be around $5.

Originally Posted by Big Smoke (Post 8861894)

Yeah I caught that now.

Originally Posted by NewChief (Post 8861904)

But I do understand that proteins and fresh fruits are a luxury for a small segment of our population, and I sympathize with them.

But there are way more people out there who don't know how to shop and prepare their own food and vastly overestimate the amount of money it costs, thinking instead that it's cheaper to just buy dollar meals from the nearest fast food joint (not counting you among those people, of course) or boxes of mac and cheese/TV dinners.

Originally Posted by CJizzles (Post 8862057)

I bought the 4-pack of AMP on sale. :) They were like $8.99.

But, it is a pretty good meal.

My parents got me a Foreman grill -- $40.

You can buy Tyson Frozen chicken breasts for like 7.99 a bag.

Anything is cheaper than eating out.

I think I spent $63 on groceries my last trip. This oughta last me a week or week and a half.

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 8862196)

Another excuse....but it was so much ****ing easier to lose weight when I was single. I could buy groceries and eat the same shit for weeks on end. It usually consisted of salads, soups and sandwiches.

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 8862196)

Another excuse....but it was so much ****ing easier to lose weight when I was single. I could buy groceries and eat the same shit for weeks on end. It usually consisted of salads, soups and sandwiches.

Originally Posted by CJizzles (Post 8862220)

I'm not married.

But I can't imagine coming home and saying "no" to my wife after she fixed country fried steak and mashed potatoes or something or the sort.

Originally Posted by luv (Post 8862222)

At the same time, your wife would surely know about your diet and try to assist you by not cooking stuff like that (when you're around).

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 8862196)

Another excuse....but it was so much ****ing easier to lose weight when I was single. I could buy groceries and eat the same shit for weeks on end. It usually consisted of salads, soups and sandwiches.

Originally Posted by luv (Post 8862222)

At the same time, your wife would surely know about your diet and try to assist you by not cooking stuff like that (when you're around).

Originally Posted by Buck (Post 8861491)

Agree with most of what you're saying except the part about pepperoni and salami. That stuff is fine.

Originally Posted by NewChief (Post 8862199)

This is very true. It's much, much harder to regulate my diet when I have to eat with my family. I saw someone post about buying lunch at a restaurant, eating half, then eating half when you get home for supper. Clearly a single man's strategy.

Originally Posted by Aspengc8 (Post 8862307)

Fine maybe once a week. There's no way I'd eat that sh1t every day. I don't have a problem with the fat or protein content.. its the damn nitrates/nitrites they use a preservatives.