DJ is a better tackler than Siler


there is nothing to argue...the only question is: are you reeruned or super reeruned?

and how are you going to make a bet about a bench player? bench player's don't play, because they suck compared to the starters...

What does betting DJ won't miss a single tackle do?

siler could have missed the same tackle, we would never know because he would be STUCK ON THE BENCH.
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But you're making two different arguments here, which is what a lot of people here are doing, and it's why BlackBob's not getting smashed. Being a better linebacker is not the same as being a better tackler.

They're both pretty shitty tacklers.

McGraw is a guy with questionable coverage skills who sucks at tackling so, he's gone.

And if you question this post, I have another post ready to rape you for doing so.

Want to test me, Lack Bob?

You aren't saying anything the same as me.

I'm saying you are knocking DJ for missing a tackle when the scrub you say is a better tackler would have been five yards away and not gotten the opportunity to miss the same tackle
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Again, for the fifth time.

He is missing tackles a guy like siler wouldn't even have the opportunity to miss because he wouldn't get there.

DJ makes the routine tackle as often as siler.
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What will it do? It will force people to say they really believe DJ is a fantastic tackler. I don't believe anyone here actually thinks it. I think I piss people off and they want to run the train on me. Quit being pussies and let's go one on one.

BTW, no Mults. Man up and bet.

P.S. I am going to watch TV for a while. Just letting you know before ten of you bitches accuse me of slinking off because you got nothing else.

it's hard, i gather, with cassel's balls ricocheting off your face...but both arguments are won by DJ, as anyone with eyeballs can see..

i don't even know how one could make the comparison given siler's paltry stats and lack of playing time...shouldn't being good enough to actually play be a precondition for being 'better' at anything?

how do you define better? what will we use to determine this?

I can guarangoddamntee every person in this thread believes 100% what they are saying.


Which makes me feel bad for you.
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It's amusing that you're trying to use the eye test to measure who's a better tackler between an all-pro and a special teams nobody.

And yet at the same time you also are trying to use the eye test to measure the elusive quickness (i.e. missed tackle forcing ability) of Jamaal Charles and a slow midget who couldn't outjuke a 12 year old who needs Ritalin.

In either case the eye test overwhelmingly proves you wrong, yet you cling to it like it's your only saving grace in this argument.

Oh, and in both cases, they focus on the same thing- MISSED TACKLES. Which you apparently can't spot.

That doesn't make him a better tackler. That makes him a player with better range. They aren't the same thing.

It's not about that. It's about missed tackles. Siler doesn't miss as many tackles. His fundamentals are better. Go start from the beginning before you say shit like this.

Look at the game film, man! It's there!

It's about that.


goddamn you are slow.
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shouldn't the idiots claiming siler is a better tackler be able to provide proof of such a painfully ****ing stupid claim?

Then someone ****ing man up and quit talking. DJ will miss a tackle. Especially against Michael Turner. I have seen it so many times that I know it's coming.

Again they are both making the routine plays.

DJ is making the spectacular plays, and missing on some of the tackles that would be spectacular.

Now people are knocking him due to that and propping up siler because he isn't missing tackles he never has a chance to miss because he sucks
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No we should just stop feeding the trolls.

I'm done with this thread. If anyone wants to partake in the bet, send me a pm.

Romeo should put Siler in DJ's place so Turner doesn't break any tackles, then.

I wonder why he won't. In fact, if DJ can't play on Sunday, it's going to be Cory Greenwood who gets the start.

again what will one missed tackle mean?
does that prove siler is a better tackler?
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Question.....who is judging and determining missed tackles?

You? The guy who couldn't tell the difference between Stanzi and Tanney? The guy who thought Pitoitua was playing NT?

who will have more tackles?

DJ or Siler?

LMAO

you are rocketing up the charts of dumbest poster on the planet ever...

The guy who says Mccluster is quicker than Charles
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So you are saying the 'tackle' stat is worthless but somehow you want to say the 'missed tackle' stat (with no other context) is the end-all-be-all of stats and you want to bet based on 1 missed tackle?

You are a moron

Leaving so soon, Jodie Foster?

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I'm doing neither. I'm pointing out that people are making one argument and acting as if they're making a different one. I'm not arguing that either is the better tackler, just that BlackBob's not getting killed on the issue. Johnson can be a lesser tackler and still be the better linebacker, but people are trying to equate the two.

He CAN be, yes.

But he's not.

nope, people understand the difference....but they also understand that DJ is simply better...there is no evidence that a guy sitting on the bench is a better tackler than DJ, because it isn't true

as usual, we get to watch a dumbass condescend...not black bob, you...

I'm not saying you're wrong, but the only comparison made (tackles per miss) actually favored Siler.

And I've explained why.

Some of us actually watch these games.

No offense but I would say you probably don't watch every snap ofevery chiefs game.

Most of us do.

You have been here long enough that you should know that if a member of every faction of chiefs planet are arguing and ON THE SAME SIDE you shouldn't saddle up the other side and ride into battle on their opinions in your white armor...
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It wasnt the only comparison made

But not at a level that would indicate anything substantial.

That's the whole ****ing point.

And because Siler isn't even a starter, and in fact plays less than 40 percent of the snaps DJ plays in a given year, it's an even dumber comparison.

If Siler played 1,000 snaps he might very well miss MORE tackles because he's not a guy who's good at making open-field tackles. He's a line-of-scrimmage thumper.

The whole thing is ****ing stupid and based entirely on 2009 Derrick Johnson, who was a real shitty tackler.

DJ isn't that guy anymore.

What other substantive comparison was made?

To put it in baseball terms, you were arguing range v. glove and acting as if they were the same. Also, while I've watched most of the Chiefs games in the past few years, that's not really at issue here since I'm not saying that BlackBob is right in his claim.

here is the thing Black Bob doesn't want to address or talk about

the real issue: stops

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the one i just posted AGAIN

This black bob fellar is and idiot.

Ok let's talk baseball.

Escobar and DJ fight the same problem illusion wise.

Both get to the object when others wouldn't have a chance. Why knock them if sometimes they don't bring it in.

If another player could get there they might miss and not finish either
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That doesn't seem to do what you claim it does.

The ability to get to the ball is one thing. The ability to field the ball is another.

The ability to get to the runner is one thing. The ability to tackle the runner is another.

You keep trying to equate them. They aren't the same.

What did I claim?

Lol

I think you are being willfully obtuse here
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So...who practiced today?
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nobody

Couldn't resist...

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more coming soon

No, you're just making a bad argument. It's meaningless though. My only point was that BlackBob wasn't getting owned on the tackles topic. This really isn't anything worth getting worked up about, so I'll just bow out of this.

Have a great night.

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It's always good to know that a troll can unite us all. It's like Black Bob is the terrorists and DJ is the towers.

To 'merica. To Chiefsplanet.

dj misses some tackles BUT also makes more stops -- and makes a ton of tackles --- because he is flying around the field.

Yes he misses some tackles but id rather have a dude get there 80% of the timeand have a 90% chance to make the tackle than a 45% chance to get there and a 93% tackle rate....

dumb argument imo

Someone gets it
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I still can't get over this board being called a terrible bunch of homers. Not to mention from a guy saying Cassel is going to throw it down the field this year. Is there more of a homer thing than thinking Cassel is going to have a good year?

Show me the LB that misses zero tackles.

Thats very well said. Might be a little too complicated for some though.

This was in 09.

Try again.

No amount of gifs will prove siler is a better tackler
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check the attachment for one vs. Buffalo

This is exactly what I have been saying all night. **** YOU


There isn't one. Never said there was.

i'm still waiting for evidence that Siler is a better tackler than DJ

from either black reerun or cassel's cock ring...

In no way did you ever say that.
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Well, DJ missed tackles gifs are REALLY easy to find. I had some requests for DJ missed tackle gif so I posted them. It's pretty easy to see how bad he can be. Anyone would have been crazy to take my bet. That's it in a nutshell.

And the 93% number is due to him only getting there 45% of the time...

(I know the% were just a random #)
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show the siler missed tackles.

Hell show us some siler MADE tackles...

and like I said earlier no one here is going to bet like that with you.

You have to earn the right to take someone's planet away for a year
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I like how we have gifs of arguably the best Chiefs linebacker, a pro bowler last year.

I can't wait for Brandon Siler gifs.

Assuming these exist.

your bet?

that Siler is ia better tackler than DJ?

prove it you dipshit....we've been waiting all god damn night

Show silers tackles per snap and also STOPS per snap as well...

there are some awesome gifs of him standing on the sidelines while DJ sets a franchise record for tackles...

proof, of course, that siler is a better tackler...

HEY ASSHOLE.

THOSE CLIPS ARE FROM 2009.

YOU ARE A ****ING reerun.

**** this troll

Special teams, baby.

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the stops ARE a big factor if you as a player have a choice to:

1) take a risky angle where you may not be able to make the tackle, but make sure you get there and at least have a chance to make a play that stops them from getting yards on your ass

or

2) take a pussy angle and make a sure tackle 5+ yards from the line


It plays into missed tackles....to say it doesn't it just as bad as saying 'the guy with more tackles is a better player'

HEY LOOK

MORE GIFS FROM 2009 YOU ****TARD

That's it guys...

Brandon Siler is a better block and special teamer than DJ.

GC posted proof.

It's not all Matt Cassel's fault you ****ing homers. Why doesn't Derrick Johnson execute on every single ****ing tackle attempt?

Sheesh, no wonder we lost to the Ravens in the playoffs!

that same SEC that had midget turds like Dexter McCluster run all over it for 1000 yards.

yeah every one can tackle there. not.

Well here is the issue. You show a missed tackle, then say you know that every LB misses tackles. HELLO! You are admitting that there is a need for quantifying these stats. Missed tackle % lists exist. Go compare the two if you want to actually make your point.

So, Siler = bench captain AND better tackler than DJ.

Got it.

You did predict us to be 5-0 correct? How can you possibly call somebody else a homer?