I agree 100%.

But right now, on December 2, 2012, neither would surprise me.

Yup.

It's will honestly be worst than last year if we **** this up. We were close to getting Luck/RG3 or Tannehill and if we don't end up with Geno or even Wilson, I am gonna be sad.

Especially if we take an ILB in the top 10. JFC.

Really is Geno or bust.....

I'm gonna cry if Geno ends up a raider.

DONT EVEN SAY THAT!!!!!

Chill out guys.

It's not the end of the world if we take Wilson.

No. But it would be if a) Chiefs pass on Geno or b) Raiders draft Geno.

personally I'd rather have Bray, Wilson has an injury history and has taken a shitload of hits already.

I'm actually a fan of Wilson. He's got a shit o-line and shit receivers and stills led plays. He is also as tough as it gets. But he does make some poooor decisions. The tape from the ole miss game is pretty bad

It's not the end of the world if we get the #2 pick then. :D

I don't know about Bray. He has the ideal set of tangibles.

But I'm not sure he has the emotional/mental mindset to be a top-flight NFL QB. The more I hear, the more I think Ryan Leaf or Jamarcus Russell.

See that's the thing, from my impression Bray could be like Marino in which it comes all together and starts tearing it up. He has a great bust value, no question but Bray's situation reminds me of Marino a lot that the pros may very well outweigh the cons.

How many Super Bowls did Marino win?

In many ways, Marino is the poster child for the "prick" QB that never could become a real leader of men.

I guess beggars can't be choosers, but I don't want Phillip Rivers or Jay Culter. Stats don't win championships, winners do.

Bray is a QB that will boom or bust. If he busts it will be quick so that we can move on and try another QB that we drafted during his developement.

So one of his "selling points" is that he'd be easier to replace?

ROFL

I don't want to make excuses for the guy, but Marino was one of the most clutch QBs of all-time that never really had a defense or a running game. I'd take him in a heartbeat. If Bray gets into a situation like Favre did with Holmgren, then he'll truly set the world on fire.

Honestly, yes.

If you draft a QB that is OK, you might give him a few more years.


I am a Chiefs fan, we must think out of the box. :D

Or set the locker room on fire, one of the two. :D

The Jags are gonna face a Jets team led by McElroy....so they could easily win.

Im not worried about the Jaguars.

Oakland has 3 winnable games left now.

Cdcox, give us an update based on the Raiders losing this game?

as of right this moment--about 48% 1st pick, 22% 2nd pick, 17% 3rd pick.

IF: we lose and the jags win (see also: shitty jets team), our odds go to:

65% 1st pick, 20% 2nd pick, 9% 3rd pick

IF we lose to the raiders along with the previous conditions:

93% 1st pick, 5% 2nd pick, 2% 3rd pick.

SO... the next two weeks, losing and hoping for just a BIT of help (COME ON, JAGS) and we all-but have the 1st pick sewn up.

If the Chiefs, Raiders, Panthers, Jags and the Eagles all finish 3-13 where do we end up? 5th? I could see that happening to us. We are the Chiefs! The Mighty mighty Chiefs!

Carolina and Oakland can't both finish 3-13.

In any possible scenario involving a bunch of teams tied at 3-13 we will draft no worse than 3rd.

It was just about to edit my post then I figured it would be pointed out pretty fast. No worse then 3rd. We can probably still snag a QB there but probably not Geno Smith.

To me it all comes down to that Chiefs Vs Raiders game if we can lose this weekend. We MUST lose to Oakland.

^

Update, love?

Chiefs- 2-11 @OAK ,IND,@DEN
Jags- 2-11 @MIA , NE, @TEN
Oakland- 3-10 KC, @CAR , @SD
Eagles- 3-10 CINN , WASH , @NYG
Carolina- 4-9 @SD , OAK , @NO
Titans- 4-9 Jets, @GB , Jags



Updated- Eagles and Jags game still going

What are the odds of winning a 2nd straight road game when we go from Cleveland all the way to Oakland the following week? That's rough.

Next week is huge.

Chiefs- 2-11 @OAK ,IND,@DEN
Jags- 2-11 @MIA , NE, @TEN
Oakland- 3-10 KC, @CAR , @SD
Eagles- 4-9 CINN , WASH , @NYG
Carolina- 4-9 @SD , OAK , @NO
Titans- 4-9 Jets, @GB , Jags


Updated EAGLES WON


Updated

We need to lose next week and we have this.

There is no way this team is beating Indy or Denver.

without bowe?

0

Baldwin is as good as Julio Jones, so we're good.

55% right now.

It bumps to 78% if we can lose next week.

Odds for top-3 pick?

Nearly locked up, right?

our passing offense:

Quinn
McCluster
Baldwin
Newsome
Copper


and maybe brokaki

4 years of pioli

I couldn't even think of Newsome's name. 4 years in, and the best players were still picked by Herm and company.

Pioli!

To think that we celebrated when this sack of shit was hired. And to think that we were lectured about his greatness by other fans.

What's the percentage if they win?

Yeah, at least 98%.

Thank you.

Then we have a QB. Ideally it's Geno, but if we end up taking Wilson or Barkley, that's fine.

it doesn't matter. this is an exercise in futility.

even if the chiefs get the #1 pick they're not going to draft a QB.

About 15%. We'd need to lose out while both Oakland and Jacksonville picking up a win somewhere.

I agree unless the Donkeys don't have anything to play for and rest Manning

That's what I figured.

Honestly either way this team is going to be in a position to draft a QB. But it'll be interesting to see if they shoot themselves in the foot for the #1 pick. You never know with the Raiders.

You guys are bad fans.

After dealing with Pioli, Crennel, and co. I would be doing myself a favor.

LMAO. Wanted to. Just couldn't.

:D

Right now winning or losing in week 17 makes a 0.55 seed difference for Denver. I'm pretty sure their situation won't be solidified going into week 17.

I can see it now: Crennel puts his super-voodoo jinx on Manning again, we win in Donkland AND get the number 1 pick.

I could live with that.

Yeah, Baltimore's loss today might have sealed that. If the Ravens won today and then beat the Broncos next week... the Mannings would've had an uphill battle for a bye. Now they're right in the mix.

Thanks. Hope you are right I don't want the Chiefs lucking into any wins

Again: Isn't it really hard to win a road game when it's:

The 2nd straight road game.

On the opposite coast from last week's game?

Seems like there's some history behind teams usually losing in that circumstance.

Road teams playing their second strait road game after losing the first cover the spread 55% of the time.

http://sportsgambling.about.com/od/nfl/a/nflroad.htm

Yes.

The first pick is all but ours. It is our destiny...

Chiefs concerned Dwayne Bowe may have two broken ribs.
— Jason La Canfora (@JasonLaCanfora)

The Raiders can score 20 points. The Chiefs can't score 10 without Bowe.

The spread does not equal actually winning the game.

This team has no prayer against Oakland. They can't play on the road.

This.

****ing Jags.

Yeah-I thought they would win. God damn C**ksuckers! :mad:

I have no doubt this team will cover - it's Oakland, it will be close as always.

Yeah I am still worried about the Jags.

This has nothing to do with the Jags anymore.

We lose to the Raiders we got this.

If we beat them the Raiders are probably gonna get the #1.

Only if the Jags win one.

KC has this. Oakland is too physical for KC. We arent playing Kyle Boller

Yeah, and I think traveling to the west coast is really gonna make it tough.

Can't see the Jaguars winning another game. Chiefs need to lose out.

Watch Charles have a career day...

Raiders 10 Chiefs 30

We don't match up well with Oakland. For whatever reason, their defensive line destroy our offensive line every time, and our playcalling isn't sophisticated enough to recognize strengths, weaknesses, and matchups.

Knowing Chiefs luck, Quinn will get hurt - ****ing Cassel comes in and beats the Raiders thus ****ing us out of the #1 draft pick.

We would lose if Oakland had to travel to Mars to play us.

They could beat Tennessee but I wouldn't put all my eggs in that basket

I'm sure it's been discussed somewhere, but if the Jags get the first pick would they go for a quarterback? If not, we could be saved by all the whining that Geno's not worth a #1 pick, because if that's true then no one will trade up for him.

We need the #1 pick. Both Oakland and the Jags could take a QB. We need to identify our QOTF and pick him #1.

I don't give a shit that our QOTF is slotted on mocks to go at pick #5. We have blew two top 5 picks in the last few years. Get the best QB and go on to round 2.

yep, Tennessee looked good today.