I think it's definitely safe to say that if Orton had been the starting QB this year, the Chiefs would easily be 2-3.

Will Quinn "Save the Day" like Orton? Time will tell. But if he doesn't, the Chiefs are looking at 2-14 top this year.

I'm not one to give advice unless it has to do with sex, money, power, music, art, and sports. However, people really should resist the temptation to compare Cassel with other professional quarterbacks. He wasn't even good enough to start in college. He is a level 4 sack-taking, interception-throwing, dinking, dunking doofus who does not belong in the league. Period.

He has no upside and his downside is lower than that belonging to the ass-end of a terrified, trembling, and terror-stricken baby hedgehog taking cover in the tiny, little burrow he dug deep in the sand.

He makes everyone around him worse ... if, that is, he doesn't send them to IR first.

He epitomizes incompetence and exemplifies ineptitude. He is the antithesis of all things good and right and nice and barely qualifies as human given that his brain function scarcely exceeds that of a fossilized, squashed protozoan.

So, no ... he should not be mentioned in the same breath as Alex Smith.

FAX

I don't know how you can't give them 3-2 without blinking.

We lost the Chargers and Ravens games exclusively due to horrendous QB play.

That's nothing more than a guess. Having Cassel on the bench doesn't change anything about RB's fumbling the ball 3 ****ing times.

That would be true, Mr. BryanBusby, had Cassel not touched the ball with his greasy hands.

FAX

I'm just trying to be magnanimous

:D

You just might be onto something here.

The RB's fumbled the ball 3 ****ing times and Romeo Crennel seemed uninterested in actually covering Antonio Gates. The Chiefs weren't going to win that game.

Trent Green was on 810 on the way home, and said straight up that he and the other 5 guys there at Arrowhead in the booth with him didn't hear cheering for Cassel's injury. He said they heard separate cheering for Charles getting the 1st, Quinn warming up, and the loudest cheer was for Cassel when he left the field on his own feet. He said many people were cheering seeing Quinn warm up, before they really knew Cassel was hurt. He said Winston should clarify, because he was clearly wrong.

All this looks like to me is the Chiefs turning on their fans. I am obviously angry that we are horrible this season, and that we have been bad for a long time. On top of that, we now have our own organization attacking the fans instead of trying to fix the team. I am fed up with this team.

And maybe if he could stop looking like such a ****ing douche, it would've been different as well.

Maybe.

The Chiefs' D stopped SD 3 or 4 straight times in the second half.

Cassel continued to shit himself.

Good QBs take advantage of those opportunities.

Awesome.

Why was Trent in a booth at Arrowhead? I know he works the preseason games but what else does he do?

I love Trent.

I wonder if he'd like to be a GM...

I think he'd be better suited as a Club President and not a GM.

Either way, lets get back on track.

Even 2-3 puts them within a single game from being tied for the lead in the AFC West.

The shittiness of this team is 100% on Hunt and Pioli. Hunt brought in Pioli. Pioli brought in Cassel, and the team has been shit since then. Pioli's reaction to this team once again being godawful is to get the national media to attack the ****ing fans of the team has been hired to run. This whole thing is ****ed up.

Sure.

Anything to rid us of the current cloak and dagger shit.

The Coaches Show on NFLN is gonna talk about us pretty soon.

Dennis Green and Billick took up for us.

They probably want the job knowing it's gonna be opening up soon lol

He didn't say why he was there, just that he was in a booth with 5 other guys.

The important part was that he made it very clear that he was on the side of the fans, and felt that Winston's comments were completely off the mark.

I'm not willing to give him another minute.

When you're a head coach, and you tell me that you don't have a clue what the problem is, when you are ruining Jamaal Charles for future yaers, and you continue to insult all KC fans intelligence by saying you didn't consider a QB change when this asshole leads the league in turnovers, then you can ****ing jump off a bridge.

This guy is far worse than Herm and Gunther. Herm and Gunther were inept, but they weren't insanely inept and actually attempted to coach the team. Romeo is a ****ing statue and a stupid ****ing statue at that.

He can coach a defense every other game. I want him gone yesterday.

The Chiefs are absolutely turning on the fanbase. It's big fish, small pond bullshit.

They act like it's a ****ing privilege to be at Arrowhead on game days. I can't wait until this team is 2-12 at the end of the year and when they pan the stadium you can actually count the amount of people in the stands.

Well .... Ya...but how do you really feel?

Seriously i can understand your point but there really isn't anything that can be done during the season. We need Pioli gone first and foremost.

I posted this in the other Winston thread:

Great, even my local podunk news here in North Florida ran with this bullshit story -- with the sportscaster setting it up as "instead of silence of a concerned crowd, fans booed the injured quarterback." Then showed clip of Winston exaggerating out his ass.

****ing bullshit story.

My point wasn't to support Cassel, far from it. Someone argued that there was more to the story this season than Cassel's ineptness and I agree. Coaching and talent procurement are also a big part of it. Those things were fixed in San Francisco, and now they're a SB contender. Point is, "fixing" the QB position isn't the only thing that needs to be addressed here.

I think we need to rename this place "Winstonisfullofshitplanet"

After watching the video there is no doubt in my mind this entire thing was blown out of proportion.

They took a guy who was filled with emotion and based an entire day of material on it.



****ing stupid, but that's how the media works. I bet less than 10% even watched a replay of that part of the game.

You know, early on a lot of the ChiefsPlanet was turning on Clay for his Decleration thread. Maybe not so much the actual thread, but what the thread stood for. The thread stands for the truth of the matter, and it was damn hard for some of the posters here to admit that sometimes the truth hurts. Many here that were chastising Clay are comming around a joining the reality of the situation.

Right now the Cheifs players are pissed at us. So be it. Once they win... with a real ****ing QB... and see what great folks we are... all will be forgiven. Maybe not publicly. But they will come around. Just like some of the posters here have to Cassel's Reckoning.

Clay can still go fist himself, hut only with one arm now.
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Why only 1 arm?

@ericwinston If you do show enough class to apologize to Chiefs fans, try not to do it in that bundle of sticksgy voice from yesterday, okay? #nttawwt

Eric Winston looks like the bad guy from Cobra, but a much more fem version.

Where is Sylvester Stallone when he's needed?

Winston loves the camera. Ask anybody in Houston. Thought he was a celebrity

Well, that certainly explains it.

What a ****.

Billick yes. Green no

Ha, likely making Expendables Part 5 with Betty White.

Isn't he a union rep too?

I kept thinking Winston reminded me of someone and you are right he looks just like the bad guy from Cobra. Just with a much bigger vag.

They usually introduce the O-line as a whole

I would take Billick in a second, especially if we could hire away Newsome from the Ravens to be our GM too.

FYI...

Here's Trent Green's response. Good listen. Regarding the Cassel Booing, start listening in at 8:20....

http://www.stationcaster.com/player_...c=375&f=765391

Why would Newsome ever leave the Ravens?

Did you see how poorly they played on Sunday? They nearly lost to..... us, and would have if Casshole had been greased a quarter earlier.

The end is near.... :)

You heartless bastard. You're what's wrong with society.

Same reason Pioli left.

To create on their own. To be truly and individually responsible for a product that is their own creation.

Newsome is the general manager. He's not moving for a lateral title.

He also built the Ravens. I don't know why you think he didn't.

I know. I'm a Bad American. :(

Misread. Thought we were talking about DeCosta. Of course Ozzie won't leave. DeCosta is who I think Fazrod was wanting to talk about.

DeCosta has turned down far more impressive jobs than this one over the years. Plus, he just got paid an insane amount to be the GM in waiting when Ozzie retires.

I am aware of this. However, that doesn't change the fact that DeCosta is the GM I desire. Pioli had also turned down more lucrative job offers than the KC one as well.

As for the money, it is nice but not the reason most are in it. Personnel jobs all start with insane hours, work demands, and low pay.

Romeo : "The peasants are revolting!!!"

Pioli : "You said it. They stink on ice."

Thanks, Mon!

And the n00b invasion has begun

Heather Evans just put in his two cents on NFL Total Access. Told us to:
I now know all I need to know about Heath Evans and his football takes. Was in New England for Cassel's entire time there, as well as Pioli. Would defend this asshat to the death it seems and obviously doesn't know what he's talking about. **** him.

Oh. My. ****ing. God.

Heather Evans is a piece of shit.

He's an opinionated homer.

Not shocked...

It never... even... happened. Certainly not like Winston said it did.

Show it on TV once. I wanna hear it.

Personally, I am 10,000 times more ashamed of any Chiefs fan that sent Winston homophobic slurs or sentiment in their Tweets based on bullshit hegemonic ideals of what a masculine voice is supposed to sound like than I am ashamed of any Chiefs fan that cheered Cassel's injury.

It's obvious at this point that these people (a) never actually watch the Chiefs play, or (b) are taking marching orders from somebody. Cassel is absolutely horrific, and on top of that, has no confidence in himself as a player. Our entire offensive strategy (if you can even call it that) is nothing more than skirting his weakenesses, sort of like Scotty bypassing the main energizer like a Christmas Tree. Now that he's not healthy, perhaps Charles can stay healthy, because how much longer will it be until his legs fall off from getting a hundred ****ing carries per game?

These ****ing people. It's like watching politicians lie. :shake:

I seriously can't believe he said that with a straight face...I dont even...

Calling a quarterback that's own team devised a game plan to pretty much eliminate him from doing harm, yet still managed to turn it over 4 times, an ELITE QB and backing that up with 2 mediocre, yet still incredibly deceiving seasons is embarrassing.

He's making himself look like an ignorant dumbass. Wow.

I can't get behind that either. It's not accomplishing anything beyond reinforcing the thought that KC fans are awful to Eric Winston.

So uh, congrats on giving him motivation to continue shitting on us for those that did it.

Honestly I think this whole incident is a good thing for us. The national media never pays any attention to the Chiefs, which makes it easier for Pioli to get away with trying to enter an NFL season without a quarterback. Anything that brings national media attention to our situation is a good thing imo.

[QUOTE=aturnis;8994506] Actually, the Texans were no worse than 6-10 when Winston was there. So you suck even more, Heath.

No, he's a former Patriot.

Oh wait...

Hey Heath - Derek Anderson, Steve Bono and Elvis Grbac all made the Pro Bowl too. Your argument is invalid.

Inside Edition is interviewing Fescoe about the Winston rant. Inside ****ing Edition.

From Elliott Harrison's (NFL.com) description of the Chiefs power ranking:

"Home fans cheering when their own player is seriously hurt is never cool. Lamar Hunt must be turning over in his grave."

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap100...module=HP11_cp

sorry; one at a time. Lamar is currently rolling in his grave over the status of the team. once that's fixed, he'll get on with the 'cheering' for Cassel's injury

Vince Young...:doh!:

No no no, Winston got it all wrong. Here's what he MEANT to say, he just got things out of order:

LMAO

Kansas City media takes issue with Eric Winston’s rant
Posted by Mike Florio on October 9, 2012, 1:44 PM EDT


A day after Chiefs right tackle Eric Winston should have gotten a paycheck from ESPN for all the time his face and voice went out over its airwaves, folks in Kansas City are pushing back against the notion that fans cheered the head injury suffered by quarterback Matt Cassel.

KCTV5 has raw video and audio of the play and its aftermath. And while the article at KCTV5.com suggests that Winston’s perception of cheering was inaccurate, the video and audio are at best inconclusive.

First, there are several points where the tape skips ahead, making it less than a comprehensive picture of the events that transpired after Cassel sustained a concussion. Second, the background noise when Cassel is laying on the ground seems much louder than “silence or close thereto,” which would have been the preferred setting under the circumstances. Third, it’s hard to see what the fans in the stands are actually doing while Cassel is on the ground receiving attention from the trainers, since the camera focuses mainly on the field.

Fourth, and perhaps most importantly, it sounds like there’s a delayed reaction after running back Jamaal Charles is tackled at the end of a 16-yard catch and run. Arguably, the crowd cheers the play, followed by a brief lull, followed by another cheer when it’s obvious that Cassel, who had completed nine passes and generated three turnovers, is flat on his back.

Some have ridiculously suggested that the fans were merely cheering the arrival of backup quarterback Brady Quinn. (To that we say, “Brady Quinn.”) Others have in slightly less ridiculous fashion justified the indiscretion by explaining that fans were merely venting their frustration with the current regime.

Though Winston may have swept too broadly to include fans who didn’t cheer the injury to Cassel, Winston was a first-hand witness to the incident, and the passion he displayed after the game — speaking from the heart and without notes — shows that he honestly experienced something he genuinely believed to be sickening. No matter how upset the fans are with the current direction of the organization, there’s no excuse for celebrating injury, especially now that we know as much as we do about concussions.

:whackit:

yah

The guy is married and had a kid. Where would anybody get THAT idea???

http://tinyurl.com/7bn7lnc

It really irritates me that the fans in KC seem to always get negative media attention and nothing about being fans for all these years that the chiefs/royals have been terrible. Like when ESPN calls us bad fans for booing Robinson Cano at the home run derby and this time.