You're a ****ing idiot

Haley wasn't bad at making adjustments in the game, and most of the blame he gets for game management were due to being overly risky and not getting plays called in on time. But he took less risks in winning seasons and didn't have play calling problems when he had Weis as coordinator. Again... would have liked to have seen if he would have been a better game manager if the GM gave him a better situation to work in.

Wouldve loved Weis to stick around.

I wanted to like Haley and did for a time a lot, but his halftime adjustments were non existent. You could point to his staff and spread the blame, but his petty ways of dealing with players and silly games were all on him. It may have been interesting to see him under a different regime, but I suspect he would have been the same ahole

Under Haley, this team was devoid of minor injuries and were a very disciplined team that was well conditioned and didn't get a lot of penalties.

Since he was fired, all the tubs have stayed full and we are close to the league lead in penalties.

He was a great strength and conditioning coach.

And a shitty offensive coordinator and head coach.

Romeo said a few days after Haley was fired that he was going to pull the team from the weight room and get them more film study. That makes a big difference.

As milkman always said, he was a flawed coach, but he showed enough good that we should have seen if he could grow his way into learning from those mistakes.

Nobody knows how good an offensive coordinator he was because he was crippled by our shitty quarterback. And we know clearly that he didn't want that shitty quarterback.

As a head coach, he had a lot to learn from a game management perspective. But I don't get the BS idea that he didn't make his players better. I don't know how anyone can compare his 2011 team to 2012 roster, see the same exact players turn into undisciplined ass clowns, and not acknowledge that Haley did a good job getting his players to play.

The great apologist strikes again.

A convenient comment when you have nothing to argue back.

Convenient that you consider talking about Haley, a guy we fired, and bashing the shit out of our current GM being an apologist. Especially after you've spent the past 2 days accusing me, for some bizarre reason, of being a Pioli apologist.

I am a Haley apologist. And I hate Pioli for it.

How can you possibly call him a bad OC when he was handcuffed to Matt Cassel? He sure didn't have any problems with his coordinator responsibilities when he had QBs in the past.

I think time is gonna show you to be dead wrong about Haley, but who knows...maybe it's me that will end up wrong.

I think it's pretty clear that Haley was not without some pretty serious flaws, notably game management.

I also think it's pretty clear that he fielded a much more disciplined and conditioned team-which kept that team competitive much further into games than we are seeing now.

I thought it was time for Haley to go; but I'll bet in a few years he'll get another shot and do a better job. Probably in Pittsburgh if that defense should falter, which was always his dream job anyway.

I'd like to see DeCosta come here. I'm not sure about a head coach, but what about someone like the 49'ers d-line coach for a defensive coordinator?

Nothing? Mike Goff over Wade Smith? Larry Johnson over Charles? Leonard Pope?

JFC, you really need to shut the **** up. Haley sucked.

How? Proof in the pudding.

He's not exactly setting the world on fire in Pittsburgh, either.

Every coach is guilty of playing a few of the wrong guys. If over 3 years, those are the only 3 you're going to point to, that's not a bad track record. Unbelievably petty to use those as some kind of criticism of the guy.

LMAO

Haley was angry and loud and stern.

That's it.

Name that one player drafted, or signed, or traded for while he was HC that made us a better team...

There are plenty of things Haley didn't do right. Claiming he was bad at evaluating personnel is an unbelievably weak argument. And pointing to less than a handful of guys in 3 years on a roster bare with talent is nothing to get riled up about.

His 3rd and long draw plays aren't winning much favor there either...

Pioli signed Goff and let Wade Smith walk...Larry Johnson was getting the money and had close to 900 yards in 12 games the previous year and Charles had 2 fumbles in only 67 carries as a rookie and was only about 190 pounds.

It took Haley 7 games to make the switch from LJ and Goff to Wade and Charles and that was after a full offseason of emphasizing to Charles that "you cant ply if you don't protect my football".

If you want to clown Haley on personnel moves, use Mike Brown, that one was all his fail.

Ben Rothlisbergers QB rating is up 10 points from last season.
His TOTAL QBR has gone from 63.6 up to 74.9 (good for 4th in the NFL)
his completion % is up a point and a half
his yards per game are up 25 yards per game.
His TD to INT ratio has gone from 21td 14int to 10td 2int

Yeah, no improvement, at all.

Cmon man.

Now, tell me how all this had nothing to do with Haley.

You talking Haley or Pioli?

Haley.

Unless at some point Pioli was HC of the team....

Haley didn't want Tyson Jackson. He didn't want Matt CasseLLLL. And I hardly see how this is a knock on Haley. It's a knock on PioLLLLLi that he should have expected Haley to win on a team that refused to spend money and wasted top picks on PioLLLLLi's pet players. Why would you blame bringing in talent when we've been told Pioli micromanaged most player decisions.

As for how he improved players... forced Albert to lose weight and learn technique, got Bowe so dedicated he started working out with Fitzgerald in his off-time, asked Hali to shed pounds and become a dominant force at OLB. There is a laundry list of players who improved under his watch. What players regressed besides CasseLLLL? Nobody can seem to answer that question.

You were talking about things a GM does.

Signing, drafting or trading for players.

Only when you have reeruned top-down nazi management does the HC have no say...

If Pioli was halfway objective about Matt Cassel, he would have obliged Haley on Hasselback and when Cassel went down in 2011 the difference between Palko and Hasselback would have been the difference between playoffs and a division title and what actually happened.

But Haley didn't go with the status quo in regards to Tyson Jackson and Matt Cassel, so he got undermined and ultimately fired.

Let me ask you guys a real question:

How much better would this team have been if we had re-signed Shaun Smith (who was loads better than Tyson Jackson) and had brought in Matt Hasselback?

I expect this post to be dodged.

I wonder how many game day decisions Haley gets bashed for was the result of Pioli's micromanaging? Hell it wouldn't surprise me if he had a headset on in the booth trying to call plays.

Haley had his flaws, but you could do worse. Let's just hope Pioli is gone and the new guy brings in a quality HC.

Exactly....ahem.

I bet it was a mix of 90/10 Pioli/Haley as far as personnel moves go.

We have and likely will...

For all we know, the reason the plays always came in late was because they had to go through Pioli....Muir was taking a nap in the box. I wouldn't be surprised to hear that Pioli was talking to Matt during the games.

It sounds absurd to suggest such a thing, and Im not saying I believe that actually happened, but I wouldnt put it past him, either.

There's so many reasons why Pioli needs fired its pathetic

Lurker not troll

Haley goes 19-26 in KC and people still hail him as some great Messiah.

While flying banners that read "We deserve better" we've got fans clamoring for trash. :facepalm:

NNobody hails him as a Messiah. Rather, it's a symbol of a how low pioli went

Pointing his track record yet making no mention of how much he was undermined. That seems fair. I'm just saying hey never got a fair shot. It's comical that we all say nobody can win without a qb then skewer a guy for not winning with a shifty qb he was powerless to change.

JFC...

Not much. We might have won the West and then gone one and done in the playoffs. Hasselback would have gotten hurt with that o-line just like Cassel did. Shaun Smith would have helped but, we would still be missing Berry and he's the difference in the defenses ability to stop the run.

Losing Charles and Berry killed us last year. Haley was bad too. Maybe having Hasselback and Cassel could have helped? Either of those guys would have been a better back up than Palko. I think losing Waters was the biggest loss. The line just seemed to lose it's chemistry when he left. We definately could have ran the ball better if he was a Chief last year.

Great post. :clap:

Both Pioli and Haley suck, wtf does it matter? Zilla are you Todd Haley? You are his biggest c*ck sucker on here!

No, THIS^

I'll be honest:

Your wife, sister, or significant other can suck my ****ing cock.