Finally, a voice of reason. Pioli isn't going anywhere. I hate him but, he's here for a while.

lolwut?

We did not come out ok in the top 10. Tyson Jackson won't even be on this team next year. It was a dumb pick then and it's a dumb pick now.

Yeah, whatever. He's not impressive.

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Wait, what?

Are you defending the Tyson Jackson pick?

ROFL Where do these dumb ****s come from?

Tyson Jackson is a bust of Jamarcus proportions. Just because he trots out and gets his shit pushed in every Sunday does not mean he deserves to be on an NFL team. Pioli is trying to save face

If you took Tyson Jackson anywhere in the first round, it's an awful pick.

The Chiefs could have gotten adequate production from 4th rounders or journeymen at a fraction of the cost. Jackson is one of the worst draft picks in recent memory. He's not an impact player. He's not a difference maker. He's just a guy who's there.

The FA we got from the Jets is outplaying every DL we have. Think about that.

JJ Watt is a 3-4 end worthy of going in the top 3. Tyson Jackson sucks.

If you honestly think he's worth a top 10 pick, please stop watching football you stupid ****er.

That was a great pick but no one saw what Pete Carroll saw in him. Most though he was a 5th rounder. I am not defending Pioli and I think he needs to go but, I get why we don't have a QB. There is a series of unfortunate events and bad luck. Hopefully, we get one this year.

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In your tiny little mind Tyson Jackson was worth the pick because you cant fault Scott Pioli for not being able to recognize talent.

As to your comment about Pioli trying to trade down in that draft....BULLSHIT...The Dallas Morning News knew that Pioli was gonna take Tyson Jackson a couple days prior to the draft. If he wanted to move down, the chances where right there to do so.

The guy put Cassels ring on his finger and hasn't ever had the intent of threatening his job (for the better of the team) by giving him legitimate competition.

Freeman
Sanchez
Wilson
Dalton
Orton
Campbell
Hasselback

Thats probably just half the list of the guys that have been available if the intent to upgrade the QB position was there.

Excuses, ****ing excuses.

Series of unfortunate events and bad luck?

When your kid comes home with a failing grade, do you go to the teacher and make excuses too?

You are defending Pioli. Every ****ing post you make defends him you clown.

There's not one starting QB in the NFL I would take Cassel over. Not one.

Whats worse?

Shaun Smith (a guy off the street) was signed in 2010 and was worlds better that Tyson Jackson ever has been, but Pioli chose to let him walk FOR PEANUTS so that he wouldnt continue to show up his chosen #3 pick.

Kyle Orton + Shaun Smith >>>>>>>>> Matt Cassel + Tyson Jackson

And just think about the difference in the cost involved...

and you say i'm crazy Bad Guy. You must be black bob or whoever he is.

This.

It's close....but I'd still take Sanchez over Cassel.

We don't have a QB because the GM is a colossal ignorant buffoon, you idiot.

Woodchuck is BlackBob. Guaranteed.

ROFL We got a guy who made zero impact. Zero.

This.

Literally one third of the picks made in the first round that year are better players that have more impact than Tyson Jackson. Maybe half.

We have the highest paid GM in the ****ing league.

FAIL

Jason Campbell? **** outta here!

This board would be treating Sanchez the same way they do Cassel right now. The guy had four straight games where he completed less than 50% of his passes, which is almost historically bad... then they had a nice win this week but he literally threw for like 80 yards. Cassel would be getting destroyed for those kind of performances. And deservedly so.
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hahaha you are Black Bob. Chiefberger is black bob. Everyone is black bob. Shut the **** up. This whole black bob thing is stupid.

Sure sounds that way.

Comma placement with conjunctions is the tell.

Somehow I think Sanchez would be playing better with the talent in KC.

His best WR in NY is a rookie.

Thou dost protest too much, bob.

We had it backwards, this is bob, Driving Wheel is probably Hootie.

Don't ever compare me to that know-nothing ****stick.

You're easily as dumb as he is. Maybe worse.

I don't think you're crazy. I think you're brain dead.

Interesting listening to harlan talk about Hasselback. Sounds like there wasn't much to it and it was said in passing. He basically said we wouldn't ever have been able to afford both QBs. He also said Hasselback never would have played for Haley. He said he didn't take criticism well and Holmgren had to treat him differently.

Nope, just you.

A lot of teams thought he was good, I'm sure. It was his height that kept anyone from giving him a chance. If he was 6'4" I would assume he's a top 10 pick.

heh heh heh

Bobtard, you're a ****ing idiot.

Furthermore, it wasn't just Pete, it was also John Schneider.

Yes, the same John Schneider that worked for the Chiefs before moving on to the Packers and ultimately, the Seahawks.

Heck we could have spent the money and kept a better QB in Orton this past off-season. But we weren't going to spend that money because we were already hog tied with Cassel's enormous contract at the QB spot. Orton was to much of a threat to Cassel in reality!

The interview with 610 sounds like its going to suck ass.

Geez, how many mults did that guy create.

I'm sure it will be the same stuff as the Star and 810.

Patriot way answers right there

yeah, it was...a tragic one

4 years prove it

that's because you are a ****ing idiot

If i'm not mistaken I think I heard Binkley say he asked how the Hillis injury has affected the offense. I'm hoping I heard that wrong.

What time is the interview?

It's coming on now;
http://player.streamtheworld.com/_pl...layer/?id=KCSP

There's a lot of truth to this.

The only legitimate criticism of the move is thinking of Pioli as a GM who can properly and accurately evaluate talent. It's not as though he was unfamiliar with Cassel. Just the opposite.

Contract-wise, it was handled very poorly. However, we can rightfully assume that Pioli gave him that deal on the basis of his belief that Cassel could deliver. It's the error in judgment in respect to Cassel's talent given Pioli's familiarity with the player that is damning. The contract is merely evidence that's what occurred.

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Thanks love.

:rolleyes::banghead:

Weak so far.

They asked him about the banner.
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Oh wow they mentioned the banner

He's learned that when there's success, you're never as smart as they say. When you're a failure, you're not as bad as they say. That's what he's learned. He acknowledges hearing the criticism.

He tries to make a point of criticizing the performance, not the performer.

Says that criticism that is personal and affects his family is tough.
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He's not angry about the criticism. Doesn't want to wallow.

He thinks there has been progress in the organization on every level, but even though it's in a better place, it's not good enough.
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He thinks it's his fault that fans don't know him personally. He's a private person and doesn't try to sell himself. He doesn't like the spotlight. One thing he had learned is that he needs to let people are who he is.
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That, my friend, sounds like Clark speaking.

"Scott, let them get to know you."

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Pioli's the general manager though, not Cassel's uncle.
Even if he believed he was the guy he should've handled it dispassionately and waited until he saw the production necessary to warrant such a deal.

I have no issue with the fact that he believed in Cassel.
My issue is with his prematurely extending him that contract.
There's no reason why he couldn't have allowed him to play for a year under the tag.

I have a feeling we're talking past each other, Mr. Micjones.

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I think we're both in the 300 level of the stadium, in different sections.
Errors in judgment concerning personnel aren't necessarily a big deal to me.
EVERY GM has them. It's when you couple those errors with 8-figure deals that it becomes problematic.

Had he only been wrong about Cassel under a one-year deal, it would've been nothing to write home about.

Well, perhaps this is where we differ; Errors in evaluating draft picks or FAs with which you are unfamiliar is one thing. Bringing in a guy whom you've watched for years is something entirely different.

That, I believe, is the troubling aspect of the decision to hand him that contract ... above and beyond the fact that is basically pre-paid 6 years of total failure.

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I honestly think it's easier to misjudge a player you're familiar with.
It's much more likely that you'll make an emotional decision about him.
And even when your evaluation is mostly objective, sometimes you can still just be wrong about a guy.

Right now it looks like alot of people are wrong about Jon Baldwin.
The kid seems to have all the talent in the world, but it's not translating to the field.
It may in time, but right now his biggest supporters are probably scratching their heads.

Interesting concept ...

You're paying a man 5 million a year ... with the expectation that that kind of money will be spent on selecting players with whom you are somehow "emotionally attached"? Regardless of their ability? And allows you to make decisions without objectivity? Ouch.

I submit that, if he was blinded by his "affection" for Cassel, it makes the decision all the worse. Far, far worse. Unforgivable, actually (and I am a very forgiving person, by the way).

That argument has backfireability in spades.

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It's never scientific though Mr. Fax.
Coaches swoon over players routinely. Players who never quite perform in a way that justifies such an endorsement. GM's are no different.

I think he genuinely believes that Cassel has the potential to be "the guy".
He was invested in the guy though and let his attachment to him inform his business. That's always a mistake. A wiser GM would've let Cassel play through the season under the tag.

I get it......Len Dawson brought us the only Superbowl trophy that we have.....but why the **** do people want Clark to talk to Lenny about what to do? JFC.

I grant you all of that. And well said.

I would simply add that, his "genuine belief" in Cassel was sufficiently flawed and so grossly mistaken as to allow for (demand, even) legitimate questioning of Pioli's basic evaluation abilities.

Regardless of how his opinion might have been colored by emotion or affection or history or relationship, he is paid to "get it right" and be objective in his player assessments.

I have, obviously, believed from the outset that Cassel's contract terms were nothing less than absurd and my prior posts will prove that out. It made far more sense to give him a short-term deal and go from there. But the issues are really separate. Cassel's contract terms don't negate the fact that Pioli should have been able to better anticipate the ability and ultimate potential of his quarterback of choice ... especially given his prior, intimate experience with the player.

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How can Pioli actually think this franchise is better off now then 4 years ago, and that Romeo is doing a good job the best he can. C'mon man Pioli has got to go!!!

This.

He can't. If he said that with a straight face, I'd be surprised.

He's blowing voluminous volumes of PR bunk out his patoot in the hope that it will appease the fan base.

The saddest part of all, Mr. clyde05, is that it probably will.

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Is the 610 interview up to be heard yet?

With all the interviews he did today, I think he just dug himself in a deeper hole, if anybody believes any of that shit they are crazy!

**** Pioli

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How much did he really have to go on though Mr. Fax?
There was really only one season on the books (his final season in New England). Looks like an aberration in hindsight, but it looked like a pretty solid season at the time. It certainly didn't warrant an 8-figure contract, but that takes us back to the root problem...the contract.

Would the evaluation be as heinous if he'd allowed him to play for a year under the tag? Cassel stinks up the place...you chuck two at him. Who'd be calling for Pioli's head under that scenario? Probably a precious few people.

In the ultimate sense, yes.
In every situation, no.

No GM is free of botched player assessments.

Intimate experience affords you a wider knowledge of a player, but it also increases the chance that you'll have an attachment to said player. An attachment that may affect how you evaluate him.

That said, we'll have to agree to disagree.
Always a pleasure, Mr. Fax.

**** you Scott Pioli.


Well.....at least we'll have the record for never holding a lead this year......EVER.

God ****ing dammit Clark. Don't let Pioli trade ANYONE. FIRE HIS ASS NOW.

Many will, Mr. clyde05. Unfortunately.

The desire to believe in something (even a false belief) is a force that powers the human condition. Chiefs fans cling to the thread of hope as though it were an umbilical cord that supplies the pride and glory of years past.

And ironically, hope is a very good thing. Perhaps the best thing. And it doesn't take much to bring it back to life. Sadly, evil people have used this fact to their benefit from time immemorial. It's how the Toss & Chop made millions at $19.95 a pop.

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Same.

EDIT: (I assume Pioli watched him in practice, too. For years.)

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