I'm going to respectfully disagree, considering that within hours of the Alex Smith deal being leaked, Geno Smith magically became worth a top pick, and everyone and their brother was screaming for Oakland to take him.

And FWIW, I'll gladly take "what if" over "we already know".

Have we truly gotten word from "football people," though? The Piolis of the world don't count, as he's a ****ing football moron.

I've said many, many times that although I would disagree with them not taking a QB at 1.1, I could accept it. What I find wholly objectionable is the manner in which they hitched the wagon to Alex Smith for the next 2+ years, because with the nature of that trade they aren't just passing on the QBs in this draft, but the next as well.

Not even then really. I think the Colts have won 8+ games something like 15 of the last 19 years. They were a playoff team each of the years before tanking to get Luck and Manning.

"Football people" have also said that the Chiefs have "won the offseason" several times in the past few years.

"Football people" said the Matt Cassel deal was a great move.

"Football people" say some really stupid shit sometimes.

I know. You are not a lunatic. You can back up your opinion with facts. Its a perfectly legitimate opinion. I agreed in the OP that we should have taken Geno and paid too much for Smith. It's done. There is no going back. The only thing we can do is make a choice on how to handle the new reality.

The vast majority of Chief fans are happy with the moves that have been made. If I was a betting man, In 5 years, I'd put more money on your views over the vast majority. That being said, for me personally, after years of being negative about this team, I'm going to chose to have a little hope.

Yep.

Which means they better knock the next three drafts out of the ****ing park, because by the time we have a legitimate QB, guys like Charles, Hali, Flowers, Bowe, Albert, etc will be on the decline.

Going to be hard to do when you're likely to use the 1st overall on a RT and don't have the 34th overall.

The two most valuable picks this regime will likely ever see, and they're wasted.

I agree. Most loyal KC fans will still give them some slack in that situation. The casuals will be back if they got it right. Two years of average then followed by a few learning years for a young QB is even worse for the pysche and stability of the fanbase.

The vast majority of Chiefs fans thought Cassel just needed more weapons, that Pioli just needed more time, that RAC was a defensive genius, etc.

The vast majority of Chiefs fans are ****ing ignorant about football.

Ohhh. Shit.

LMAO... :facepalm:

What a ride this fanship is, wouldnt miss it for nothin.

Great point.

For me, I can't handle a couple years of average QB play and no real threat or hope in the backup spot. That is too depressing and that's what I fear is going to happen. I understand your stance, but I just see us going down the road of decent QB that takes a while to prove clearly that he isn't the guy.

I think it's pretty clear no one is that impressed with this year's group. We're a month before the draft and the reviews have been fairly mixed. And I think that's being kind. Although I think guys will go in the top 10 because of the importance of the position. And furthermore, there will be guys in this class that probably have success. They just can't figure out who because the tape is so mixed.

I never put much value in how McShay and Kiper and Mayock rate people, but some of the comments and thoughts they have are obviously direct thoughts from scouts across the league, given the way they present them.

34=560
Mid second rounder (16th overall) is worth 420 points

The 16th pick is worth 1000.

If we win a few playoff games, it's a steal...if we go two years without making the playoffs, it was a massive fail of a trade.

How is his post speculation?

Harbaugh benched Alex Smith in favor of a second round pick for the previous draft and he lead the team to the superbowl.
I agree there. No question.

I just want to enjoy watching Chiefs football again.

Hopefully, Alex Smith plays out of his mind for a few years and the trade is a huge win...I just know better. I've seen this movie like 6 times already.

Hence the majority of my money on your opinion.:p

The other interesting thing is Reid and Dorsey don't have a track record of ***** ego-mania. They come from organizations and have track records of not being afraid to address the QB position aggressively.

They could be wrong here though. But I said this during the combine... I think their interviews with Geno and Barkley went horribly... because they came right out and finalized the trade for Alex Smith right afterwards. People laugh at that, but I wonder if they just had a panic attack and thought they better make sure they get someone they are marginally comfortable with.

And I would've traded for Alex Smith, and probably drafted Geno Smith. Screw them... neither guy has really done enough yet to dictate terms to a GM. They need to throw as many options as they can at the position. I'll admit watching Geno and Barkley in those Mariucci interviews was really disappointing though. Both guys are knocked for their inability to process information, and they had a difficult time with softball Steve Mariucci. Geno's accuracy when he's comfortable in the pocket is tremendous though. He just needs to find a place where they will utilize him properly.

This amazes me, because you're way smarter than this.

Why trade for a guy who is about to be cut?

Had they signed Smith as a FA and drafted a guy for competition/development, I don't think anyone here would be upset.

But to commit to the guy for the foreseeable future based on the compensation you give to get him?

Spinning wheels.

Well the first pick in the 2nd round was way too high. That was terrible. But I would've considered a 3rd or 4th. That's still probably too high, but everyone talks about how important the position is and how this team should be more aggressive in acquiring one... that's what they think they were doing. I guess.

Smith is a #1 overall pick. He has talent. And we have a coach with a solid history of getting the most out of his talent at QB.

But at this point screw all these rules. We don't have to be tied to Smith for years on end, at least until we give him a stupid contract. But I like the idea of throwing as much as we can at the position. If you find the right guy it won't be a problem. No one's laughing at Shanahan for drafting 2 QBs last year.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...r-bowl-in-2012

Bleacher report, but still interesting.

8th ranked QB for PFF in 2011. 6 4th Quarter Comebacks/Game Winning Drives for the season. There is the first bit of optimism I've had on that subject thus far.

If Alex Smith can pick up where he left off in SF, I'll be fine with the trade. Lets break some numbers down and extrapolate some stats for the homers to preach...

Alex Smith completed 70% of his passes and had a 8.1ypa. He also threw a touchdown pass every 16.8 throws and an interception every 43.6 passes.

Andy Reids quarterbacks threw the ball 616 times.

(I know this is just totally irrelevant due to changing circumstances and all, but it's fun to think about when you want to ignore the reality of the situation.)

Here's what the numbers break down to...

432/616
4928 yards
37td passes
14 interceptions

Fire up those BBQs, Chiefs fans. We going to big games with a QB like that.

LMAO

And seriously, if THAT is what Andy Reid thinks he can get out of Alex Smith I hope he is right.

I bet that's EXACTLY what his hopes are from the compensation given up in the trade.

Some people just need to call it quits. Writing how much you hate this team everyday must make you an extremely grumpy person in real life.

If you hate this team and Alex Smith is Matt Cassel, than surely you know how this story ends, right?

So why waste your time if you're pissed off about it that much?

If Reid thinks he can get Alex Smith to throw for nearly 2,000 more yards and 20 more TD's than he's ever thrown in a season, he needs to be checked into the nuthouse.

Drew Brees 2.0 ROFL

I've bitched as much as anyone about it, but he has had some pretty ****ing clutch drives over the last several years. That is huge.

You want blind faith, find it elsewhere.

This place is for critical thinkers. STFD and STFU while the big boys are talking.

No shit.

There's optimism and there's realizing potential. That's just delusional talk.

Alex Smith will never throw for more than 3,500 yards and/or 25 TD's as a Chief. That's his absolute ceiling. Mark it down. Sig me up. Whatever. That's the best we can hope for. And that probably won't cut it in a pass-happy league.

He was on pace for 26 TD's last year and I believe that many yards in a conservative offense. Andy is going to throw the ball. Hey, I'm trying. Not sure how he was in the 4th in '12, but had some aces in 2011.

Thats nice in theory but when Alex Smith has been asked to throw like Reid wants, he fails.

It'll be interesting to see how Alex does w/o a running game. As we all know, Andy Reid isn't a running game kinda coach. In Alex's best years, he benefited greatly from an elite rushing attack. I'm not sure that Andy is going to offer him that kind of support.

I'll give the guy some credit, though. He has polished some far worse turds than Alex Smith in the past.

The guy got a second out of AJ Feeley and a second and a high pick corner for Kolb ....he coached Vick up to the best year of his career...he got his team to the championship game with McNabb a bunch of years and even to the superbowl (which he would have probably won if it weren't for spy gate)...when McNabb left, he got a second for him and McNabb didn't do anything without Reid.

So you're not gonna trust arguably the best and most proven QB coach in the entire NFL with the position?

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This team should have a ridiculous PA pass/screen game. The boobs we've had at QB/coaching couldn't pull it off the last several years. Can Andy?

LMAO

Gotta add this to my thread.

Post of the offseason.

Charles will get his touches. Bet that.

I wasn't thrilled with the Alex Smith trade, but have liked most of the other moves made. Most importantly Cassel and Piolli are gone. I am feeling a little optimistic at this point, but really interested to see what happens in the draft. No question this team is better than the shit we put on the field last season.

IF, . . . we don't pick up Geno as well, I wouldn't be in the least surprised if we didn't have 2-3 playoff wins before we find out with objective evidence how he pans out, taking in the field somewhere in 2016-2017 a la Aaron Rodgers.

:BLVD::bong::Pinky:

QB rating by quarter

1st 99.1
2nd 109.6
3rd 122.7
4th 67.4

Ha

RAC is a good DC, not HC, otherwise this post is pure BS. I can't recall the last time I talked with a Chiefs fans and it wasn't '**** man, Cassel, and that A-Hole *****,' followed lowered eyes and shaking heads.

Maybe I just have smarter friends than you.

If Alex Smith were a band, he'd be Air Supply.
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I voted for option 2.

I just think that as Chief fans in general we all live in the past way to much. Now, that may be because the Franchise hasn't given us a whole lot recently to brag about. But, when we have a new turn around (again), I think we should embrace it. We have a new GM,HC and probably Franchise QB. I say probably cause currently he is only under contract for two seasons.

But really folks, I am already tired of 610 radio doing another Scott Pioli interview "looking back" wanting him to own up to his mistakes, blah,blah, blah.
I'm sure the Matt Cassel cut, signed by the Vikings, QB controversy in Minnesota threads are gonna live on here all season. Enough already! Let's focus on the Chiefs and move on.

Are we going to start flying banners on the new regime and QB already?
Hey, Alex Smith wasn't my first choice at QB either but guess what? This is my 40th year as being a Chiefs fan and I learned a long time ago they don't ask me on personnel decisions. So if you don't like it or can't live with it, either stop bitching about it or change teams. It's real easy.

"Tip your cups with me fellow Chiefs fans! And drink the nectar of life.

What? Don't worry about what's in it. Yeah, it smells like chemicals. That's just the happy, fun-time tailgate party pills I put in there.

No, it won't make your stomach hurt. Just ****ing drink it already".

**** you Alex Smith!!!

lmao....****in' Post Rock...
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IMO They've upgraded the team pretty steeply in one offseason that is for sure.

This is true. But the vast majority a fans don't make the Chiefs/Football their lives like a lot of us on here do. They may catch a few games here or there during the season and see all the "Highlights" and from that feel as if they can make a judgement on how the team should be run. Also, a lot of people just have a feel for the game and watching talent and seeing how it will pan out.

I've watched every game Pre-Reg and Post season since 1989. (Ironically, the year I got married and I'm still married to that same women) and before that I listened to Chief games on the radio.

I'm not patting myself on the back here, just agreeing with you in saying that I know where you are coming from. I talk to a lot of Chief fans out there, and it usually takes me all of about 2 minutes of talking to them to figure out whether or not if they know what the hell they are talking about.

Well, bye then. LMAO

Then you are not watching any Chief games this season right? So why do you still post on here and waste your time?

I dunno....it seems mostly just treading water...almost like they see what most of us saw at the beginning of '12....that we 'should' be able to compete for the division.....It seems like a lot of the moves are banking that we underperformed last season and wanting to win now.....I just hope that it isnt too much of a set back when this doesn't happen.....

How is it speculation? Because Alex Smith had the best QBR in the league before his concussion. He was kicking ****ing ass up and down the field.

You can't say that "he needed to be replaced to get to the Super Bowl" because there was absolutely nothing to indicate that the 49ers were anything other than a Super Bowl team before his injury.

They were in the NFC Championship game, scored as many points as the Patriots did against the very same defense, but took them to overtime.

Jesus ****ing Christ, my mind is a spinning from all of the pure ****ing outright bullshit that's been spewed about Alex Smith, whether it's from dumb****s or GoChiefs.

And anyone that says Alex Smith = Matt Cassel is ****ing ignorant about football.

Post from another thread, cited for posterity

:facepalm:

Yeah, you're right.

Dunta Robinson: Not an upgrade
Anthony Fasano: Not an upgrade
Mike DeVito: Not an upgrade
Sean Smith: Not an upgrade
Donnie Avery: Not an upgrade
Alex Smith: Not an upgrade.

They might as well not even ****ing show up this season.

You don't think Peyton and Tom are surrounded with so many pieces?
Do I have to name them all? Holy crap.

Anyone that says theyre vastly different is a god damn phony

Didn't like the trade at all comp. wise, but there is no question in my mind they've upgraded the QB position in a measurable way. The secondary as well. Since they aren't taking a QB, they need to grab a pass rusher with their 1st round pick. Hell, I don't care if it's another D-lineman if he can get after the QB.

So they have Hali coming from one side, Houston coming from the other, and they need to grab a pass rusher with their 1st round pick. Okay then.

+1

Aside from Sean Smith, who ARE these ****s, anyway???
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LMAO

You're quite the football fan.

Team needs interior pass rushing from the D-line in bad way. Rather have a RT? Why do you think we've been beating the Geno/QB drum for so long. It was the only pick that really made sense. Now time for Plan B.

I love the new and abused Pawnmower. Awesome!
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We've gotta trade down and restock the picks. Alot of depth in this draft to load up spots.

And yes, we need a pass rusher from the DL.

I don't know if it's worse than Cassel, but it's certainly as bad as. So much to give up for a guy nobody else wanted.

We can't expect casual fans to know free agent players that aren't scoring 20 fantasy points a week or defensive players that aren't superstars.

All solid signings Mr. Sweet Dick. Gave up too much for Alex, but that's the price you pay for acquiring QB's.

Hali is slowing down and he's at a point where a replacement/depth player would be more than helpful. If you can rotate a similar player to Hali & Houston, your pass rushing will be far more efficient, especially in the 4th quarter.

See Osi Umenyora, Michael Strahan, Justin Tuck and JPP for proof over the years. It works.

And you're quite the Lateral Pimp.
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Typical 2013 Dane, the only way you can win arguments is by making shit up. I never said none were upgrades, I said most seemed like treading water to me.

I didnt realize you lost your balls to cancer bro.

Hate to burst your bubble, but they're most likely still in a 2-gap.

LMAO

Trading down would be ideal. Takes a willing suitor though.

Someone said this on twitter today. Made alot of sense.


"Game is all about the QB. Get one, protect one, get to one."


We'll like it or not, we've got one who our FO thinks is pretty good. We need to either get someone to protect him, or get someone who can get to the other ones.

Eh, if you say so. I can't trust Dame's word for shit anymore.
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Oh, just shut the **** up.

Moeaki hasn't been lost for the season. DeVito is a far better run stuffer than Broke Dick/Never Was in Dorsey.

Robinson is not replacing Stanford Routt. LMAO

Alright, who do you think they should take outside of QB?