no ****ing around

he just keep the ball low and let them get themselves out

Not bitter. We're the bad news bears. Its happens.

I don't share Hamas thoughts on what he is, but him in this situation, isn't worth Wong.

Nice to see our bats come alive late in the game.

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I would have responded to Hamas directly, but I didn't want to disrespect the Cards thread by shitting on the NL. Didn't think that would be appropriate, and I do think that it's MUCH easier to pitch in that league.

'13 Santana is a legit #2. If he's the difference in a team advancing deep in Oct., he's well worth whatever the price might be.

Santana going to the NL i'm sure would make him even better. Look at R.A. Dickey coming to the AL and getting shelled, it seems the NL pitchers #'s go up in the AL

Been excellent all year. He's just an outstanding baseball player. Every team in MLB would love to have him. We don't have many you can say that about.

Luke in te pen is pulling a Davis. Maybe we can find an idiot gm to pawn him off on in the hopes they will convert him back to failed starter like we did with Davis

Any way we can convince lewdog to start tomorrow's thread with Wanksta Wade on the bump?

Hamas also said their top prospect is going to come up and do .300 & 25 for six years. Consider the source.

Like Hamas response in that thread, for what Wong projects as, you have to get more than what Santana can offer.

I also don't think Santana is as good as he's been this year over the life of a potential contract wherever he signs. I dont' think it's a great idea for the Royals to give him a big deal this offseason, TBH.

I don't believe the Cardinals need to add a legit #2 this year to advance deep into October, mainly because I think Miller can be/is already that guy.

If they're going to move Wong, it should be more than a half year rental on a guy like Santana.

I only start game threads when I can watch the game and tomorrow I don't think I can watch.

Yep. Drop about an earned run going to the NL, and that's the beauty of facing an 8-man lineup.

IIRC, he said thats what he profiles as/to do. He never said thats what he was going to do like it was a certainty.

That's alot of sex. Congrats!

ROFL

I only wish.

:(

Peavy?

He's blocked. Right now, he's a wasted asset. And, truthfully, he doesn't project to all that much: .280/.320/meh.

The problem is that this OK slash is better than anything the Royals have, so let's not act we're talking about an elite prospect. We're not.

And, again, Santana would be throwing to the NL, and he'd offer you a really, really nasty three-man rotation.

You want to talk about overrating prospects, this is a classic example. Granted, if I'm the Cards, I'm trying for another piece. Santana + maybe the likes of an Adams or such. From the Royals perspective, I'm sure as hell not emptying assets for a prospect that profiles about as well as Gio, who clearly ****ed Moore's wife.

This team needs Jeff Blauser.

He is blocked, but because of that, doesn't make him a throwaway option especially with whats developing at 3rd base.

Santana has been really good this year. Really good. But he's also not under contract this year and outside of this year, he's been meh. So lets not act lke we're talking about an elite pitcher, overall either.

Based on the way the Cardinals GM and front office have ran the business the last few years, they aren't exactly keen on letting go of young cost controlled players. SO either way, I dont' think this would ever come to fruition.

I'm sure most Cards fans overrate prospects (Wacha is a prime example).

However, if Wong is such an overrated prospect, why would you be so willing to part with someone viewed by some as a front end starter for a 2nd baseman who you already seem to have?

Deez, I'll also add that Santana's contract is a large part of the reason I'd rather move Wong for Peavy.


So I do admit that plays a large part of it.

Plus Peavy's pitched in the NL and is familiar with the league's style.

Pretty simple: Moore, who is a mother****ing idiot, has no confidence in Gio, so this player essentially doesn't exist for the Royals.

The Royals aren't doing shit this year. They might make a run, but the math isn't in their favor, and they're not re-signing Santana. Thus, they need to move this highly marketable piece for something that legitimately helps the club in '14.

And Wong would do this. No, he's not a world-beater, but I think he'd be a viable starter on a contending club.

Hoping we trade Peavy and Ramirez to STL

Don't be selfish, dude. The team needs you.

Ok.


I dont' think they move Santana because of what it implies however.

But echoing what I said in another post, the contractual problem with Santana becomes a problem here. I don't know that he can be what he's been this year, for the life or even half the life of the contract he wants. That doesn't really make him that valuable to the Cards with what we potentially have in the organization already in terms of pitching.

Who gives a shit what STL wants or needs? I don't, and I doubt many Royals fans do either. If they want to pick up a guy who's 8th in the al in era with a 1.08 whip then they'll have to pay up. If not who cares, they go with what they have. You can't fool your way to his numbers this year.


But it's really Santana and a sandwich pick from what I've heard so it ain't "2 months" only. That's false

I love how he plays ten games and they give up on him, while Getz plays shittily in over 300 games with the Royals and continues to start.

Then I'm curious as to why his numbers have been what they've been other than this year and if they will continue at this years level.

If he could/would be what he's been up to this point in KC, for say, the next 2 years, yeah I make that deal.

However, i don't necessarily think thats something that will happen.

I'm just hoping a club comes out that throws out an offer he can't refuse. It'd be stupid to hang onto Santana.

And I dont' even know what he's going to want in terms of a contract this offseason. Do you guys have any idea?

A team moves for Santana who wants to win big this year. That's it. Plain and simple. And if you can win big, there's no price too high.

Santana had had several excellent seasons so I don't know your point here. We bought him on the dip and it worked. If last year mattered then Verlader woul still be the best starter in baseball, not the dude getting rocked constantly

I mean, I'd want to head into a series with Lynn as my #2, too, so it's cool.

True.


But IMO, at this point, I'd rather move for Peavy because he helps win big this year and next year without a new deal.

And a shit ton of money for a player with a history of injuries.

Do you think Santana is a 2.5 WAR pitcher next year?

Cause if he is, sign me up.

He's the 3 actually.

Then you're set with that vaunted two-man rotation, assuming the n00b doesn't shit himself.

Well he's more like a 4 war this year and obv that's all I care about since he is gone regardless. Given his age and prior success in MLB I'd suspect 2.5 war would be near the low end and someone is going to pony up big cash for him, maybe Mets or Baltimore, someone like that.

I'd rather have him + sandwich pick than a 2B with mediocre projectability

WAR is cumulative, so he's trending for 4 WAR this year. At his best he's been 5, so I'd anticipate 3, pretty safely, which he's done on several occasions.

Santana has been cruising all season....no reason to think he's going to falter. He's def. better than having Peavy the rest of the season or Garza

I think Lynns a good enough 3 at this point, but it's going to depend on Miller not sucking and being what he was early.


For better or worse though, because based on what I've read I dont' think the F/O in STL thinks they need another starter so we'll find out.

The Mets starting pitching is shaping up to be pretty stellar, I don't think they make that move.

Baltimore maybe.

Also, thats fine.

But based on the Garza trade, as well as most deadline deals, it would take a whole lot more than Wong to turn the deal.

I'm curious though, why do you guys not want to sign Santana back?

Draft pick and he is up and down. Not worth the contract for a smaller payroll club.
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we would if he didn't want a ton.


not sure the Royals can go above 90 million on the payroll and they are at 80 now

We don't have any money for one. Two even if we did its hard for teams to park 12m+ in one starter, we'd have 2 next year if we did that and no market our size does that.

That's something Detroit or Texas does.

Royals have had two studs this year in Shields and Santana. In a similar discussion earlier this year, duncan made a great point about focusing an extension on the pitcher who works primarily fastball and change-up, as opposed to the guy who works fastball and slider.

I'll take it, but will gladly give it to Deez if he wants it. Or if ALnorth is reading, he's DUE for a thread.

Chris Sale has a 1.02 WHIP for the season and is 6-9 for the White Sox w/ the worst run support in MLB.

God this team sucks

So, why is wong treated like he is gods gift to second base prospects on this sight? Simply because hamas, who clearly illustrated he knows next to nothing about baseball, said so? Wong wouldd probably be the fifth best prospect in the royals system right now. The dude is super overrated on this site. Also, a half year of santana is underrated. He would be an instant number two starter for a playoff contender and drastically improves a teams playoff viability. Not that us royals fans would understand that playoff performance is what really counts.