might just juice both players

I wanted Stephen Hill. Stephen Hill from Kaep would of been nice.

at least it sends a message to the rest of the team that sucking won't be ignored

The A.J. Jenkins watch in San Francisco is just about over, and a new one is set to start in Kansas City.

The Chiefs announced Monday the acquisition of Jenkins from the 49ers in exchange for similarly disappointing wide receiver Jon Baldwin. This is a rare one-for-one NFL talent swap of players who failed to live up to expectations.

t's amazing how far Jenkins fell in San Francisco since being drafted in 2012. There were open questions about whether or not Jenkins would even make the 53-man roster. Chad Hall, among others, ran ahead of Jenkins in practice.

But seeing the Chiefs give up on Baldwin is even more surprising. The third-year pro was a first-round pick in 2011 by previous general manager Scott Pioli. Unlike Jenkins, though, Baldwin at least produced something at the pro level. (He had 579 yards over the last two years.) Earlier in camp, new coach Andy Reid mentioned that Baldwin struggles to hold on to the football.

The 49ers desperately need a vertical threat, and that's Baldwin's skill set. But let's not make this trade into more than it is. It's a swap of busts. It would be a surprise if either player made a big impact on their new team.

:doh!:

Like I said, SNR - with this guy it's better to just stand on your record. And interestingly enough, I think you were the first guy to really put me on blast around here.

Evidently we're butt buddies now. So I guess we've got that going for us...

There's a possiblity that Jenkins needs time to develop in the right situation. The niners are not a place for players that need to develop. A lot of potentially decent players will be let go because they're not getting it quick enough. Maybe that's different for the chiefs...I don't know.

We just need to flat out quit trading with the 49ers. Yes, Baldwin sucks and I wanted him cut during the last preseason game, but we managed to trade him for a player who sucks even more.

LMAO

Yeah, if you suck, we'll ship you to a Super Bowl contender.

I bet Baldwin is all sorts if broken up over this.

Wylie seems like he plays fast, and I remember him making a pretty nice reception over the middle relatively early. I've been a semi-fan of his since he started showing up on the active roster late last season.

both players have a legit opp. let's see what they do with it.

Are the 9ers on the hook for his (Jenkins) signing bonus counting against their cap or are we?

I wanted him too....guy can block the run and he's fast with hops and height.

He seems to be pretty injury prone in hindsight.

There's a little part of me that wonders if this is some way for both teams to save some bonus money somewhere down the line. I'll ship you my bust and you ship me yours, and we don't have to pay any offseason training bonus or roster bonus or whatever.

Of course, the 49ers already know how to do that with Tarell Brown.

If it's a swap...I imagine that it's a swap of contracts. They probably pay a pro-rated bonus based on the length of the contract.

Huh?

This is becoming a myth. yes, players like Rogers, and Whitner succeeded.

Where as players like Braylon Edwards, Glenn Dorsey, Colt McCoy, Brandon Jacobs are finding out very quickly that if you aren't a hard worker, and talented you will be exposed and gotten rid of very quickly.

All of those players I mentioned have a questionable work ethic, or a sub standard skill set.

He got all the chances in the world. It's damn good staff loaded up with pretty good coaches and if they felt that Baldwin wasn't "getting it" then there you go, i.e., the Jenkins/Baldwin trade.

From all accounts, the guy is lazy and doesn't run/won't learn to run proper routes, which is first and foremost in a West Coast system. Maybe with Kaepernick, he'll be allowed to free lance a bit more which might fit his style of play.

All I know is that Baldwin was in Reid's doghouse from the get go and it is now obvious that he wasn't getting out anytime soon.

Good trade for both teams.

LMAO

Poor guy has to go catch(drop) passes from Kaep.

signing and guaranteed money are responsibility of original team for both players

roster bonuses and base salary transfer to new team

He should be...his chances there aren't great.

LMAO

well, there's that too


getting cut by a team is still get cut though so he probably has less of a chance to make the 49ers roster than ours.

He seems a little better this year but he was a drop machine in college and he has been at times in training camp too. I'm not getting my hopes up and I don't think he's very good but, who knows? Maybe Reid can turn him into Kevin Curtis?

Baldwin had a 13 foot broad jump? Holy balls.

As for the trade: welp, he had that one great TD against San Diego a few years ago. The only positive thing I can remember from him after all this time..

Well it would have been better than taking Jenkins, that is for sure.

He has to earn that right.

He has to beat out guys like Austin Collie, Chad Hall, and Marlon Moore.

Yeah. Let that sink in.

I think it's a nice way of saying he can't run a route :D

Actually Dorsey has played well so far.

If Millen clinched the "Worst GM Ever" ranking, doesn't Pioli have a chokehold on #2?

This thread should be titled "Find out whose stupid on CP"

And surprise surpise, Immem58 wins in a landslide.

I'll make it easy for the dummies:

- Harbaugh "Hey Andy, I've got this turd that's been hanging around practice that I'm about ready to flush"

- Reid "No way, I've got a big one that's been stinking up the joint around here for years"

- Harbaugh "Wanna trade em instead of flushing"

- Reid "Why not?"

That simple, Baldwin is an unmotivated and slow pile of shit. He has known for at least the last couple seasons that he needed to get his fat ass moving or he was gone. He took a billion snaps in TC last year with Bowe out and didn't do a ****ing thing during the season (Bowe has put up 1K plus yards with the same shit QBs so stick that argument up your ass right now). He was going to be cut or traded for a 5th or lower this year.

Simply two coaches with turds in their punchbowls that decided to give each other's logs a sniff before flushing.

/fin

Yup. Well, for all the great things the 49ers have done drafting, and grabbing udfa to contribute, this is their one black eye. I think you can over look that when you factor in that pretty much every player in their 2011 draft hit, and hit hard.

oh well. Good thing they dumped him and moved on.

And now we know why he was targeted so much on Friday.

While learning the playbook and coming to camp late. If he doesn't do work, he'll be gone.

Well, that tells us what Dorsey thinks about Baldwin!

If by played well you mean that he has been surpassed on the depth chart by undrafted free agent Ian Williams, then you are absolutely correct.

If Belichick is the Walter White of NFL personnel, Pioli is Tod.

Pathetic, isn't it. Desperation at it's finest for both teams.

haha

:shake:

At least D-line coach Jim Tomsula has been thrilled with his progress so far.

No, but it got in his head.

C'mon, we all know how critical it is for these guys to get out, get confident and start making their way in this league. The margins between success and failure are so incredibly small that, if you're not 100% confident in your ability, you're going to struggle.

I think Ryan Sims falls in this class a little as well. Sims was never going to be a star, I'll grant you. But in Sims rookie year, when he broke his elbow and it just fried that season, he was immediately behind the 8 ball. He seemed to lose his confidence there, it never came back and he just shuffled to hell and gone.

We see it a lot. Had Baldwin been a more mature kid, I don't think the thumb would've had an impact on him. But he wasn't (still isn't). After the fight/thumb, I think Baldwin just felt picked on. He felt like his teammates didn't support him and he just flat shut it down. He lost that rookie season because his confidence wasn't there.

Meanwhile, had Jones done what a veteran leader should've done and actually taken the kid aside and worked with him, I don't think he gets down on himself like he did.

Baldwin was a major project that was going to need everything to go right for him to hit. When Jones decided to keep it real with a damn teammate, he ensured that the development curve wouldn't be a smooth one for Baldwin. That was enough to send an immature kid off the rails.

But either way, Baldwin wouldn't have worked in this offense - he's just not the right WR. But I do believe that, had he gotten off to a quick start and ingratiated himself with his teammates, he'd have been a happy, productive WR. I also think he would've been far better in a different system.

It's not Jones fault that Baldwin is an immature dude. But he didn't have to make the situation worse and you keep veterans in your locker room with the idea that they'll improve situations like that. Jones' bullshit didn't.

Ian shouldn't have ben a UDFA..with that said, Dorsey hasn't lived up to his early 1st potential...but he's good enough to make the 53 of the 9ers..who have one of the best fron 7s in the NFL. He'll be suited on game day..which says even more.

This would be an interesting research project.

Ditto.

I'm pretty sure that if the guy could stay healthy in the preseason, he'd already have beaten out Baldwin. Guy ran some really great routes in college and had glue hands. Built like a H-back.

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That has had more to do with Williams playing well thanDorsey playing poorly.

I don't have the same expectations of Dorsey than you guys did coming out of the draft. I never expected him to be great...I only expected him to challenge for a spot on the team. So far, he's been a pretty good run stuffer. Thats all they need him to be.

Kinda like throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks.

I just cant believe how miserably Aj Jenkins failed. I mean, of course when he was drafted, my jaw dropped much like when we drafted Aldon Smith. Not sure if you were around then but I was firmly on the Robert Quinn bandwagon, and I went and watched video highlights of the guy and was sold pretty quickly.

I did the same for Aj Jenkins, and with Fleener, Brian Quick, and Stephen Hill still on the board, I was like OMFG.

Went and watched video highlights, and still didn't see it. I just chose to go with the mantra of Baalke and Harbs deserve the benefit of the doubt.

But yeah, all the skills in the world cant make you good if you don't have intestinal fortitude or the want.

Millen gets the lifetime non-achievement award. He is the Marlon Brando of fail. Pioli was more like a James Dean of fail. We tragically never got a chance to see how great a failure he could have been, if he'd only had more time.

I just watched Glenn Dorsey man handle Jeff Allen like he was a rag doll in that preseason game. I think he gets it

Wasn't upset about Aldon..thought it was a gamble..it paid off.

I was quite upset about AJ Jenkins. There were so many more talented players..even WRs available at that pick. Oh well.

Well, as a 49ers fan, I liked Dorsey coming out of the draft. But, when you really look at it, he got by in college by out muscling people and has never really developed a move set.

I liked Ian Williams coming out of college as well, and it wasn't an indictment of Williams. Just Dorsey is more talented than Ian Williams, and shouldn't be behind him. yes, Dorsey will make the roster. But so will Demarcus Dobbs, another udfa, who is more talented than either of them to be honest.

Do you even know what the fight was over before you call Jones a thug or blame it all on him? I heard Jones was defending Jamaal Charles. And by all means if Jon Baldwin comes walking into a locker room cockin off to the best player on the whole ****ing roster, then the guy deserves a lesson to be put in his place. Very simple. I dont pity him that his progression was stunted by his stupidity and boo hoo none of his peers like his attitude. Well no shit

Great GMs have misses. We'll see if 49ers GM Trent Baalke learns his lesson from it and takes more NFL ready players in the 1st round, instead of reaches. Yes, I know how it worked out for Aldon Smith.

Still loving the last draft with Eric Reid, Tank Carradine, Cory Lemonier, Quinton Patton was value and Marcus Lattimore was a steal. If Eddie Lacy is a brilliant value pick for the Packers, the Lattimore pick should be beastly for the 49ers.

Hell of a draft, that 2013 draft. A+ draft (I think... still has to pan out) Baalke's best yet, especially since Baalke wanted Andy Dalton over Kaepernick.

Janoris JENKINS


Maybe they wrote the wrong name ? maybe they meant J JENKINS, and the guy with the card ****ed it up?

Players with 10-cent heads start out in Harbaugh's doghouse. Baldwin may not even make the 53 cut. He would have to come in earlier and work harder than anybody but Kaepernick for Jim to keep him at this point.

10-cent head = worthless. No matter the God-given physical gifts.

They got AJ Jenkins. Not one catch last year at all. Not one. Yeah the 49ers got the better end of the deal as always.

AJ Jenkins is worse than Baldwin. Believe that. He's horrible........:)

Alex Boone was undrafted too. Sometimes you can find some very talented players that weren't considered for the draft for one reason or another. Doesn't hurt that the 9ers probably have one of the best DL coaches in the NFL.

Oh, im perfectly fine with that. Not every pick is always going to hit. Im not worried about it at all. especially since they were willing to get rid of it, admit failure on it, and move on. I completely respect that.

And yes, potentially this 2013 draft is explosive. I was STUNNED they moved up to get Eric Reid, but so far he looks every bit the player they thought he was.

Much better move for the Chiefs. Jenkins has been bad thus far, but I think has more potential to be good. Plus he's only had one year of suckage versus two for Baldwin.

Well, im a tar heel guy. So of course I wanted Robert Quinn, who is playing quite well for the Rams.

So, it could of gone either way. But, yes, I love the aldon smith pick.

just like every other thread...


niners fans jerking each other off

That or the rams were determined to pick someone with Jenkins for a last name?

A meaningless preseason game trumps a whole career. Got it.

Week 1 in the first play, the Chiefs should throw a screen to Jenkins just so he can say he caught a pass in the NFL

I've questioned most of Baalke's picks on draft day. He quickly earned my faith. He blew it with Jenkins, though. Still have enormous faith in Baalke, especially after this last draft. I don't really know what Jenkins problem is but last week, he could not keep his feet for the life of him. He was being knocked down on every play. He is either really weak or playing scared.

He can't even get off the line of scrimmage from a jam. He's a weakling. He had ZERO catches in the NFL last year. Not 1. That's pretty damn bad.

Soon we will outnumber you.

Muahaha.

:whackit:

Physically assaulting someone over a disagreement is criminal in every other work environment in America.

Jones should have been cut immediately and charges should have been filed.

He will drop it. Trust me.

Totally true. The great Bill Walsh traded up to draft Reggie McGrew in the 1st round and signed Lawrence Phillips as a Free Agent. Even the great ones miss.

I wont be around to see it

Haha.

and so will baldwin, as big as he looks he struggled with getting off jams

I don't care about the 1 miss. But I don't see Baldwin as much of a solution either. He is so bad. He drops everything you throw at him.

you say that like he played in every game. He played in 3.....

or catch it, and fumble it.

They're both Crap.

I HAD thought earlier in pre-season that Baldwin was a stud that just needed a little development...I have quickly been disillusioned of that belief.

I think they both have a similiar problem...they don't want it bad enough. Maybe this will serve as a wake up call. If not, oh well.

I bet Joe Montana likes seeing Chiefs and 49ers fans coming together like this.

Question for Chiefs fans...

Baldwin is huge. Ninere play alot of multi TE sets....is he a candidate to move to TE?