And my point remains: This has been a piss poor team for the better part of the past six seasons.

Winning seasons and playoff wins will come before a Super Bowl.

This team with the talent they have are not a 2-14 bunch. Jax is a good example of a 2-14 squad. If you can't see that you are fukking blind.

Honestly, what are your requirements for a successful season this year?

That is, unless a Kurt Warner falls from the sky. That would certainly expedite the process.

Since those kinds of things are so rare, maybe we should try creating one ourselves.

Well, that's just so ****ing easy that I'm shocked everyone isn't doing it.

Every NFL team has won a Super Bowl, right?

Why doesn't Aaron Rodgers win every year?

Nothing less than 10-6 and a playoff berth, barring catastrophic injury.

When is the last time the Chiefs made a BALLS move of any kind?

BALLS is high risk, high reward. Trent Green might qualify in that is was moderately high risk at the time. It paid off on the Offensive side of the ball, but total incompetence on defense negated the move.

The other mark of a great trade (other than BALLSINESS) is getting the long end of the stick. I don't think we've scored high that regard, including the Alex Smith trade. Franchises aren't built on "that trade benefited both teams" they're built on "that team dominated the other team". We don't make the kind of trades that build dynasties, we make the kind of trades that turn disasters into workable (Jarred Allen, Matt Cassel, Alex Smith).

There is a lot of talent on this team at this exact moment, but it won't last long. Tamba is on the down side. Bowe, Flowers, Charles, DJ, and Albert are at their peaks and will be heading down soon. Houston, Berry, and Poe are on the up swing. We have some talented rookies and most of our other starters don't suck.

Strike now while the iron is hot

-or-

Chief's Nation burns.

In which direction does the Alex Smith trade tip the scales, in all honesty?

It's not all that easy, but the Chiefs might see more success at it if they would get off their ****ing asses and ****ing coach some goddamned QBs instead of making other teams do the dirty work for them.

Because he jacks off too much?

I don't see how this is relevant to the Chiefs and QBs and winning a Super Bowl

So you want to win now.

I mean if you acknowledge the talent on the roster, the only other move is a massive trade off which -if I'm not mistaken- would require contractual re-negotiations with those guys to get them on to other rosters.

Which is nigh impossible, right?

So it's either try to win in the next 1-3 seasons or piss away play on the field by talented pieces with or without intentional efforts to tank in a handful of seasons to try and rebuild talent with a 1st round QB.

Right over the Event Horizon.

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Dane, you know as well as I do that dynasties happen quickly:

It took 3 years for Dallas to go from 1-15 to the first of their 3 SB

It took 1 year for SF to go from 6-10 to the first of their 4 SB

It took 1 year for the Patriots to go from 5-11 to the first SB win of their current dynasty

It took 2 years for the Steelers to go from 6-10 to the first of their 2 SB titles

The Giants had 3 out of 4 0.500 or below seasons before winning the first of their two most recent SBs.

The Broncos are the only recent team to string together a bunch of good seasons before winning multiple Super Bowls.

We have a 2-3 year window to win now before history and the age of our roster leads to more mediocrity.

Yes.

I'll settle for 2 SB wins over the next 6 years. Even with a very good team, you won't win every year. But I expect to be in the top 8 teams for several years in a row.

I'd be thrilled with one let alone two.

The first one always comes as a surprise. You're happy that it happened, but you didn't exactly watch it unfold game by game. That's what the 2nd and 3rd one give you.

One and done is better than nothing, but it shouldn't be the goal. We could stumble into one and done with Alex Smith, if he plays at the very top of his game and everything else goes perfectly.

He's not total crap, but he isn't the answer.

I can live with one and done from Alex and 2-3 more with Bray. Yeah, I'm a dreamer. LMAO

That's fine but will require a roster rebuild. More than half of our core guys will likely be gone or diminished in 3 years.

Well, if we are drafting correctly (something we never see around here) they should already be planning on replacements for those players in each of the next three off-seasons.

Yeah, that decade when it was FUN to watch the Chiefs really sucked. We would be much better off by taking a 2nd round crappy QB at 1.1 and going 2-14 again, while hating Sundays.

21-33 188yds 63.3% 5.7ypa 1 TD 3INT 51.1 Rating


Who is that rookie QB against the Patriots?


Jesus brother, no wonder everyone wants me to cut your hand off.

Can we stop the peyton comparisons every time a rookie QB looks like shit?
Again, Peyton also set the rookie record for attempts, yards, and TDs

And that is actually quite a bit better than 15/35 214 0tds 3ints 27.6 rating


And the RZ picks, and wasted scoring opportunities?

Not it really isn't.

Everyone on this entire board is overreacting to everything. Chiefs, Geno, Alex Smith. The majority of which, have no idea what the **** is even remotely going on in a single play and are making absolutely asinine judgments.

No they are not and how dare you make such an asinine generalization of everyones issues you horrendous dipshit. o:-)

:)

The funny thing is the people who wanted Geno, wanted this. I love how everyone wants to point at Geno's abilities now and think that is what we were hoping to get. We wanted to go the A. Rodgers route with him and let him develop behind Smith and learn.

What did you expect?
There is a thread on the front page called Alex Smith VS Geno Smith.
We are as sick of hearing about Jets QBs as we are of dealing with 9er fans.


Clay said it best. This is war. Geno was obviously a huge bum on this day and the non-believers are going to pound on the chocco tootsie roll suckers.

Clay is pouting and CAPSing and wishing losses on the chiefs over a JETS QB.

I do not dislike Geno. Im just sick of him dominating the discussions here.

I hope he sucks for no other reason than it being the only way he will go away.
If people around here didnt constantly suck his dick, and use him as an example of why we are going to fail, Id probably be pulling for thee kid after seeing him thrust in so soon.

I expect Thor to burn.


I wish that the entire discussion would end. I think it's too early to evaluate Geno or Alex, especially considering their unique circumstances.

Me too, Oh mischievous one....Me too.

I did NOT want Geno Smith. I also wish we hadn't paid such a high price for Alex Smith.

Dipshit of Dunder

Actually the majority have.

Keep dreaming dumbass.

Wait so... what exactly is CD's problem with the Alex Smith trade? If he wants the chance to win immediately and contend now, why is he mad that we got the only win now QB available? You really think Geno would give us a better chance to win not only one, but multiple superbowls in the next 5 years over Alex Smith? You are delusional.
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Geno/Rex couldn't beat the Pats when they were weaponless and couldn't catch or hold on to the ball. It was raining on everyone not just Geno people. Throwing 3 picks is bad. Throwing 2 of those picks in the 4th quarter is really bad.
Geno is raw and not ready to be a starter in this league. It was a good decision not to draft this kid at 1.1 by an experienced and wise front office of the Kansas City Chiefs.

Yay! Another Geno Smith thread.

The pats also didn't have amendola, gronk.

The homerism for Geno Smith on this board has officially reached Tebowian levels.

NO matter how much he sucks people will insist he's actually awesome.

"Yeah, He completed less than 50% of his passes and threw three interceptions, but he almost won that game!!"

Sounds like they would have won if they had a decent QB.

Sucks cock enjoys the after taste ^^^^^^^^^^^^

Whether you wanted him or not, it's only his 2nd game.


Give him some time before you praise or shit on him.

Yea.

He made a few decent plays, and can sporadically throw a really nice ball. But really I haven't seen anything special.

No way he was the pick at 1.1 so the debate is a high 2nd for him or 2 for Alex Smith.For this team and time you have to go Alex Smith.

This isn't a difficult thing for most rational people to understand.

Issue is Clay is commenting on his every pass so you'll have criticism.

:hmmm: .... WTF are you doing? Do you mean 2005 Alex, or what?

He looked slow. His ability to think quickly looked bad.

:facepalm:

The first 9 pages... nothing more than people regurgitating the same whines yet again about the choices made from the KC front office. People... people please.. I implore you. It is done. Do not cry so much about things that are out of your control. Just try to enjoy something out of this season before it is 2014, and you miss out.

If football is stressing you out this badly, then do yourself and everyone here a favor and take a vacation away from it. Life's too short to spend your years crying about things you can do nothing about.

18-27 150yds 66.7% 5.6ypa 2TDs 0INT 105.5 Rating

That's the stat line of the other rookie QB who faced the Patriots last week. So why are we continuing to talk about Geno?

He has a much better chance with Alex around. If he soaks in anything while studying Alex's work ethic and overall character, this can mean really good things for Bray in a few years.

Good decisions will come with time. As will timing. And the rain doesn't help. But the big thing I'd worry about is his accuracy. A lot of passes last night that were very underthrown or catchable balls that were pretty far behind the receiver.

I get that you have a serious bro-mance going down with Alex, but it's getting a bit disturbing on several levels, don't you think?

BTW, I'm not an Alex hater at all. I just don't loofah his back for him in the shower like you do.

AMEN BROTHA!!!

Ka****ingBOOM.

exactly right.. some are so angry to have.. what they perceive at most to be a good stop-gap... as if this prohibits them from acquiring and developing a QBotF? Bullshit.

People like Clay want others to have patience for Choco penii... admitting that he will need time... but they can't exercise that same patience on Bray while actually winning more games than not with Alex? (and this way, actually have a decent OL to protect said QBs)

:hmmm: :doh!:

I don't follow any of this. I have never met the man... I never care to meet the man... I simply respect him as a player and person.

So, what you are alluding to? That every fan that likes an individual player wants to engage in some kind of homoerotic acts with them? Yeah, no thanks, man.

( "not that there's anything wrong with that!" )

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Andy Reid had almost as bad of a year last year as KC, so he needed to get out of that losing slump as well.

When your options are to either get a QB that can instantly run your offense, with pieces already in place to win games, or to forego that and go with an unknown that might be able to run your offense in a couple years, its a pretty easy choice for a new Head Coach and GM coming in.

Aaron Brooks

CAREER PASSING STATS
Year Team Cmp Att Pct Yds Yds/Att TD Int Sck Rtg
2000 NO 113 194 58.2 1514 7.8 9 6 15 85.7
2001 NO 312 558 55.9 3832 6.9 26 22 50 76.4
2002 NO 283 528 53.6 3572 6.8 27 15 36 80.2
2003 NO 306 518 59.1 3546 6.8 24 8 34 88.9
2004 NO 309 542 57 3810 7 21 16 41 79.5
2005 NO 240 431 55.7 2882 6.7 13 17 33 70
2006 OAK 110 192 57.3 1105 5.8 3 8 26 61.7
Totals: 1673 2963 56.5 20261 6.8 123 92 235 78.5


CAREER RUSHING STATS
Year Team Rush Yds Avg Lg TD 1st Stf YdL Fum FbL
2000 NO 41 170 4.1 29 2 14 9 26 2 1
2001 NO 80 358 4.5 26 1 24 8 22 9 2
2002 NO 62 253 4.1 21 2 21 11 14 2 0
2003 NO 54 175 3.2 15 2 20 9 15 5 4
2004 NO 58 173 3 15 4 14 13 37 6 1
2005 NO 45 281 6.2 22 2 19 4 9 2 1
2006 OAK 22 124 5.6 23 0 5 1 1 4 2
Totals: 362 1534 4.2 29 13 117 55 124 30 11

Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/foo...#ixzz2emDJUoSv

If his receivers catch half of those dropped passes, he probably has a sizable lead and those picks at the end never happen.

Anybody that couldnt see the upside in Geno is blind and should stop posting

David Klingler


Year Team G Att Comp Pct Att/G Yds Avg Yds/G TD TD% Int Int% Lng 20+ 40+ Sck SckY Rate

1997 Oakland Raiders 1 7 4 57.1 7.0 27 3.9 27.0 0 0.0 1 14.3 8 0 0 0 0 26.2

1996 Oakland Raiders 1 24 10 41.7 24.0 87 3.6 87.0 0 0.0 0 0.0 20 1 0 4 16 51.9

1995 Cincinnati Bengals 3 15 7 46.7 5.0 88 5.9 29.3 1 6.7 1 6.7 33 2 0 1 10 59.9

1994 Cincinnati Bengals 10 231 131 56.7 23.1 1,327 5.7 132.7 6 2.6 9 3.9 56 15 4 24 165 65.7

1993 Cincinnati Bengals 14 343 190 55.4 24.5 1,935 5.6 138.2 6 1.7 9 2.6 51 26 3 40 202 66.6

1992 Cincinnati Bengals 4 98 47 48.0 24.5 530 5.4 132.5 3 3.1 2 2.0 83T 3 1 18 146 66.3

TOTAL 33 718 389 54.2 21.8 3,994 5.6 121.0 16 2.2 22 3.1 83 47 8 87 539 65.1

Rushing

He did pretty good on the reads. However I doubt they can teach accuracy. No sign of anything remotely elite yet. Mediocre performance, on to next week.

Hmm...It wasn't that long ago that we were being told that it was the QB that made the difference in whether a WR catches a ball or not. That was the reason WR's would do good with Manning and others and couldn't make it with other QB's. So those drops somewhat belong on Geno as well.

Anyone that can't see that Geno is RAW and not ready to start in the NFL and was not worthy of the 1.1 pick should stop posting.

Geno holds the ball longer than Big Ben and doesn't have any awareness. He will be out of the league in 4 years.

I'm not a Geno ballwasher, but he pretty much performed how most (outside of CP and the Jets fans) would expect him to. Safe passes (with the exception of a few bone head double covered throws) etc; factor in the rain, short week, on the road against a division rival who has beaten the Jets 4 (now 5) straight times....

Dude absolutely needs to gain clock awareness when he drops back. He has a lot to improve upon but I think it's worth it for the Jets to see how high his ceiling is and worth the growing pains. He's only played 2 games FFS. I would be different if that game was mid-way through his 2nd year or 3rd year.

All I saw was from the last 5 minutes of the 3rd quarter to the end of the game. Was he that bad all day?

He made a few nice throws early on... maybe 5 or 6 overall passes to be pleased with. A couple deep completions were a little off, but dreadful DB coverage allowed them. Took way too many stupid sacks... many of his "dropped" passes were inaccurate and poorly placed (in the rain, at that).

He showed a little promise, but there were so many WTF plays as the game went along that really took away from feeling like he will really be good any time soon. He still could be something... but it all comes down to how he deals with the pressure of NY and team expectations. Maybe he will stay strong, mentally.. but I wouldn't be at all surprised if he melts down and doesn't progress into anything much.

Dipshit of Dunder LMAO

Yes, we really wanted him.

Two of those three teams also have QB's on their roster they drafted in the first round. Reaching for a QB in the draft doesn't always equal success.

One of them has thrown for 4k and 5k yards the last two seasons...

Everyone knows 25 year old 300 yard a game passing machines are a dime a dozen.

(Wait's for it all Megatron excuse)

Exactly

Geno was OK in the first half
Held on to the ball too long at times
Bailed from the pocket when he had protection

Common mistakes you see among rookies

But he also threw a couple really nice passes as well, showed a glimpse of his talent

But his second half was awful.

Those last two interceptions were just really really bad passes

We really aren't interested in the truth here. You must be new.

He pretty much showed exactly what everyone said pre draft. Talented, but not near ready to start yet

Name this player:

2nd game of career
Lost at New England 6-29
188 yards
1td
3ints
51.1 QB rating

lost first 4 games of career with a td/int ratio of 3/11
-

it happens to rookie QBs

but Chiefs Fans are just True Fans, so we'll never have one...
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and just for shits, Alex Smith lost the first 5 games he started with a td/int ratio of 0/10

0tds
10ints

in 3 of those games he threw for less than 100 yards
he didn't throw for more than 200 yards ever in his rookie season
he threw 1 td in 7 starts as a rookie

and you all are on your knees sucking his crank now

deflection iz swell.. ;)

It isn't about if a player begins crappy... it is how or if he fights through it to become good. There's no question that Geno is pretty crappy right now. The question is, does he have the resilience to progress into a good QB? Only time will tell... but it's fair for most to doubt that... given what we have learned about his mentality, and the current NYJ team/coaches.

That's Peyton Manning.

I like what Geno is doing so far.

Did he **** up and blow the game? Pretty much. He killed two potential game winning drives.

But he was going for the jugular.

That's what I like about him. In fact, it was awesome he wasn't gun shy after that first pick.

He'll get it fixed. He's too ****ing smart.

the notion that a moron like you knows anything about 'his mentality' is about as likely as emo maverick not having alex smith's penis in his colon...

sigh.. charming and eloquent as CP gets. :)

So blast everyone for mentioning Brees when trading for qbs is discussed, but every qb now that's drafted is Peyton manning?


Yeah, no.

He may end up good, he may not, but that's crazy talk

He threw it deep!!!!

Always works