Didn't happen. Didn't you read? He's not physically capable of throwing the ball that far.

Are we limiting this comment to this year only?

Are we allowed to include the 6 years that he completely ****ing sucked?

Are we allowing the 6 to 7 dropped touchdowns they were almost to.

No, go ahead and throw out your completely irrelevant playoff stats now...

Don't need to.

For the most part, since Jim Harbaugh took over in SF, the 49ers rarely trailed by more than one score. And if they did, with the exception of Philly in 2011, the 49ers lost.

The point is, that with Alex Smith at qb, you are rarely trailing by more than a TD.

That's pretty much common knowledge.

Roy is in that conversation. And I don't think Cal is that great of a coach. he has a platinum tongue.....

Things the Smith haters don't want to talk about

When you look at his numbers Smith hasn't been nearly as bad as some think. What's not getting talked about is what he has done with his legs. When you take his rushing yards into account he has gone over 300 yards twice this year already. And even with the Horrible outing against the Raiders he is averaging over 250 yards a game. He has not been that bad. He had a horrible game against Oakland that people are jumping on. But overall he has had more good games then bad

Comforting...

Yeahsssss, let's hope he runs some more/WAP!LMAO

I wish we had a QB who could get us down 17 points then bring us back.

That's a real team!

Its ****ing ridiculous we haven't gotten more than 10 points down this season and came back from it.

Maybe if we are lucky the Texans can get a 14 point lead on us and we can come back from that, that would be awesome.

I really hope so I will be at the game rooting for the Texans to score first so we can come from waaayyy behind like real teams do!

Hey blame that crap on the defense :D

I wish we had a QB that could match the production of the defense by even 2/3'rds!

That's a balanced team!

It's just ****ing LOVELY watching possession after possession go three and out!

May be if we're lucky, we'll have the highest scoring defense and special teams unit in the ENTIRE ****ING HISTORY OF THE NFL SINCE IT'S GODDAMNED, ****ING INCEPTION!

SUPER BOWL, BITCHES! 16-0!

LMAO

It must be blamed on Smith. I mean it should be his job to get down by 14 points every week. The first two offensive plays should be him handing the ball to defenders and allowing them to score. That's what real qbs do

Sure. Not that it will help you in this particular discussion... Especially when you look at what results were obtained from 3 other QBs while he was on IR or out injured.

Or, OR; how's about matching or....holy shit...EXCEEDING the defense in creating points!

Nah, that would be arena ball/Herm-a-Derp Lil' Chiefy

Actually, I was going to mention his 6 comeback wins in 2011. Nothing related to the play-offs.

I disagree. 6 comebacks in 2011. Only 1 comeback in 2012 vs Seattle.

REAL NFL QB's come from 32 points behind FTW
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I'm not bitching that he hasn't done it for us yet. I'm simply wondering if he has it in him. The way that Smith and this offense have been in the first 6 games.....isn't going to end well with this remaining schedule.

LMAO

ROFL

The defense isn't going to suddenly drop off a cliff. If someone is going to project that, they might as well say that Denver's offense is going to drop off a cliff.

Who's comfortable with saying that?

Andy Reid and Brad Childress have decades long history of successful offenses. They're scoring nearly 20 points a game. They haven't needed a defensive score to win any game. The Cowboys game was 17-16 and it wouldn't have been that close had it not been for the block FG attempt.

This team will likely experience growing pains through the Bye week. They're not going 16-0 and they will lose games.

But they'll also continue to win games due to their defense and with that defense, 20 points a game will be enough to win the majority of the remaining games.

Even for you, this is over the top brother.

The talent is on the defense. I would take an offense that can match a little over 1/3rd at this point.

The defense is so effing dominant.

its impossible in this day and age to have an offense and defense as dominant as this one is.

its scary dominant. imagine like we talked about before, if they could be as physical as that 2000 ravens team.

I mean, its that good. The worst players on the defense base set, is Lewis, and Jordan. And JORDAN is a lot better than anyone including myself thought.

And lewis has been okay. I like Abdullah better though.

Please re read it.

By MORE than one score.

That was the only game that year, that he had to come down from more than one score.

I know that if the game is close, Alex Smith can bring the team back. people are talking about from multiple scores.

like 8+ points.

Incorrect. The cowboys put up over 40 on the broncos, but only managed 16 on the chiefs. The Giants can score at will, and got 7.

Teams don't score against the Chiefs. It may happen once or twice where a team gets 28 points, but its not going to be a consistent thing.

Oh, and I don't think that we will see the offense play that poorly again. It really cant. That was just, ewww.

Axl has been giving me a hairlip of late, but thats ALL true... i think some people forget the symbiotic relationship between offense and defense.

"Dont **** me over, and i've got your back"

;)

Care to add something that means anything ;)

well, have you had one of those burritos? Once you go spicey, you never go back!

Fair enough. I think the Eagles game was the only one.

I agree this defense isn't suddenly going to start giving up points. The offense should get better...having a "dip" in performance is fairly normal even when getting better. Not too worried about the offense just yet.

Yet more meaningless, useless drivel, is there anything you're good at besides servicing truckers at the rest stop?

I've tried to talk football around here and it's kind of pointless. Mainly because of morons like yourself who don't know anything about the game.

so it's difficult, yah know? Besides, most people on the planet have a sense of humor. Except for you. You're better at being a loser.

:doh!:

In which week has the defense outscored the offense in points this season?

Okie dokie LMAO

Back to the mange, mang

How often has the offense been able to generate points without being handed the ball in plus territory? Not just TDs, but FGs as well. The defense has had an enormous impact on the Chiefs scoring even when they didn't take the ball into the end zone themselves.

I'd need to go back and re-read game logs to give you exact instances but there have been several scoring drives of 80 yards or more.

vs. Raiders

13 total drives. 3 scoring drives.
A TD starting out our own 45.
A TD starting from the Raiders 23.
A FG starting from the Raiders 29

vs. Titans

13 total drives. 5 scoring drives.
A FG starting from our own 36.
A FG starting from our own 1
A TD starting from our own 34
A FG starting from their 33
A FG starting from their 33.

vs. Eagles

13 total drives. 5 scoring drives.
A FG starting from their 48.
A FG starting from our own 18.
A FG starting from our own 39.
A TD starting from our own 38.
A FG starting from our own 5.

vs. Giants

13 Total Drives. 5 scoring drives.
A TD starting from our own 2.
A FG starting from our own 36.
A TD starting from their 30
A TD starting from our own 10.
A TD starting from their 35.

vs. Jaguars

12 Total Drives. 3 scoring drives.
A TD starting from their 24.
A TD starting from their 21
A TD starting from our own 43.

vs. Cowboys

11 Total Drives. 3 scoring drives
A TD starting from our own 23.
A TD starting from our own 20.
A FG starting from their 31.

6 games.

75 total drives.
24 scoring drives.
Starting on opponent's side of field - 10
Starting on our side of the field - 14

Yea this doesn't exactly prove Keg's point.

And what is the offense supposed to do when they get the ball in good field position anyway? Bitch at the defense because they dont get to rack up yards before scoring?

The article about the defense stated teams had better statistical chance of turning the ball over than driving for a FG on any given drive. That is going to result in good field position.

People act like every time we get the ball at our 20 we go 3 and out and that's just bullshit.

I can do that for you.

They had one 8 play drive against Jacksonville, which began on their own 43 and ended in a TD. 57 yards. Longest drive of the day in both plays and yardage. They were handed the ball three times in Jags territory, resulting in 2 TDs and a punt.

The first drive of the Cowboys game went 77 yards for a TD, and the final drive of the third quarter went 80 yards for a TD. They were handed the ball 3 times in Dallas territory, which resulted in two punts and a field goal.

There were two 4th quarter drives against the Eagles that ran 62 and 75 yards for a combined 10 points. There was a 69-yard drive earlier in the game for a FG as well. They were also handed the ball 5 times in Philadelphia territory that day (and a 6th time at their own 45 yard line) but only managed to score one field goal.

There were two extended drives against the Giants, one 98, one 80, both resulting in touchdowns. They were handed the ball three times in Giants territory, which resulted in a fumble, an interception and a touchdown.

They had one 10-play 94 yard drive against the Titans which resulted in a field goal. They also had a 10-play 66 yard drive that ended in a TD. They were handed the ball twice in Titans territory, which resulted in two field goals.

They had two 9 play drives against Oakland, one produced 38 yards and a punt, the other 57 yards and Avery's fumble. Nothing even close to 80 yards in that game. They were handed the ball twice in Oakland territory, resulting in 10 points. They also scored a TD on a 55-yard drive, which could go either way; handed the ball on their own 45, but drove 55...

In any case, now that I look, it's actually worse than I thought. They're not consistently driving the ball, and they're not consistently taking advantage of the opportunities the defense gives them. 18 possessions beginning in plus territory in 6 weeks (not counting another pair that started at the 45), and they've totaled 4 TD, 5 FG, and 9 punts or turnovers.

As far as 80-yard drives go, there were 4. Total. 6 if you count the 70s. In 6 weeks. So one per game.

And where exactly was this my point? I was doing the research. My question was if Alex Smith could lead this team from behind if they were down more than one score.

Haha. This place cracks me up sometimes ROFL

So in other words, 40% of our offensive points are coming on drives that started on the opponent's side of the field.

I'm more worried that we're only scoring on 32% of our drives.

Wow.

My research was better. Damn Wolverine fans.

Sorry I had went back and corrected that to Keg not you.

Thats going to happen when you lead the league in starting field position.

Do they need to score more point? Yes.

Stating its odd we score 40% when we have a short field is also an indication of how often that happens.

I don't think this is anything we didn't know. With this defense, put a top 15 ish offense on the field that can score 23 ppg and average a few more good drives per game and were unbeatable.

But it needs to happen quick

Why does it need to happen "quick"?

The Texans offense is awful and the Browns and Bills aren't much better, if better at all.

Are people actually worried that the Chiefs might lose a game or four?

Instead of the 20, I'll use our 35. Else we'd be limited to drives starting from touchbacks or worse.

Jags

22: 3 plays, 3 yards, safety, 1:03
32: 6 plays, 17 yards, 1 first down, punt, 2:58
24: 6 plays, 10 yards, 1 first down, punt, 3:24
17: 6 plays, 21 yards, 1 first down, punt, 1:51
20: 5 plays, 34 yards, 2 first downs, punt, 3:09
35: 7 plays, 25 yards, 2 first downs, punt, 4:14
15: 3 plays, 3 yards, punt, 1:00
20: 4 plays, 33 yards, 1 first down, punt, 3:08
3: 2 plays, end of game, :41


Cowboys

23: 13 plays, 77 yards, 6 first downs, touchdown, 6:47
20: 3 plays, 9 yards, punt, 1:06
20: 4 plays, 27 yards, 1 first down, punt, 1:25
15: 11 plays, 46 yards, 3 first downs, blocked FG, 1:40
20: 10 plays, 80 yards, 5 first downs, touchdown, 4:01
16: 8 plays, 38 yards, 3 first downs, punt, 3:34


Eagles

33: 5 plays, 20 yards, 1 first down, punt, 2:07
20: 6 plays, 19 yards, 1 first down, punt, 3:19
18: 8 plays, 69 yards, 2 first downs, field goal, 3:07
33: 5 plays, 23 yards, 1 first down, end of half, :56
13: 5 plays, 21 yards, 1 first down, punt, 3:12
5: 15 plays, 75 yards, 5 first downs, touchdown, 8:15



Giants

18: 6 plays, 23 yards, 1 first down, punt, 3:00
34: 3 plays, 5 yards, punt, 2:07
2: 11 plays, 98 yards, 7 first downs, touchdown, 5:38
20: 9 plays, 33 yards, 2 first downs, punt, 4:34
34: kneel down, end of half, :02
35: 5 plays, 16 yards, 1 first down, interception, 2:02
20: 4 plays, 24 yards, 1 first down, punt, 2:16
30: 3 plays, 6 yards, punt, 1:02
20: 14 plays, 80 yards, 6 first downs, touchdown, 9:17


Tennessee

20: 8 plays, 18 yards, 3 first downs, punt, 3:20
21: 5 plays, 33 yards, 1 first down, punt, 2:56
9: 6 plays, 18 yards, 1 first down, punt, 3:19
31: 3 plays, 17 yards, fumble, 1:34
14: 3 plays, -2 yards, punt, 1:15
1: 10 plays, 94 yards, 4 first downs, field goal, 4:00


Oakland

20: 6 plays, 13 yards, 1 first down, punt, 3:28
33: 3 plays, -12 yards, punt, 1;18
20: 9 plays, 38 yards, 3 first downs, punt, 3:51
20: 5 plays, 19 yards, 1 first down, punt, 2:43
22: 3 plays, 7 yards, end of half, :42
34: 9 plays, 57 yards, 3 1st downs, fumble, 5:04
28: 3 plays, 6 yards, punt, 0:52
18: 3 plays, 4 yards, punt, 1:42

td; dr

44 drives starting inside our own 35

5 last 5 minutes or more
7 end in scores (5 TD, 2 FG)
7 cover 50 yards or more
23 last 3 minutes or less
26 cover 25 yards or less
32 end in punts or turnovers
33 include 2 first downs or less

The oline and play makers are better.

But, the qbs are about the same. Brandon Weeden is down right pitiful.

Both of these have to be rectified. I wont say immediately, but they should be getting progressively better, not worse.

I still can't believe you said the Brownies win 11 plus with Hoyer ROFL

And the game is at Arrowhead, which definitely helps

They were 3-0 in games he started. I believe I said that if he had started the season too.

I believe they could of won 8, or 9 with him.

It wasn't that far fetched. Their defense is very good, a little bit below the Chiefs, cause the secondary isn't as good, and their offense with Hoyer was better than the Chiefs currently. It wasn't that far fetched.

Now? The browns win 6 games, and ill be stunned.

Definitely pulling for the Chiefs.

If POE, Houston, Hali, DeVito wanna have a 53 car pile up on Brandon older than dirt mcgirt Weeden, that's fine by me.

STOP... the browns talk, the texans game sounds great, lets just play them one at a time.

on topic -- Reid needs to call stretch plays for Jamaal to turn that corner and do what he does so well and he needs to get the OL to block long enough so that Bowe can run those deep/middle cross routes he is so good at.

with the oline sucking harder than a black hole
we do not know
how good the receivers are

and who is this fasano I keep hearing about

44 drives, 9 of them 3 and outs. 20%.

Did you even read the stats you posted?

We need to score more I dont dispute that but we usually move the ball and at the worst end up screwing the other team in field position which our defense then turns into a field position advantage for us.

Yes we need to improve, yes Smith needs to play better along with the OL and WR.

I think our biggest issue has been stalled drives due to penalties and negative plays. We seem to move the ball reasonably well, not great but reasonably well, and then stall out.

I dont think its the dumpster fire its being made out to be.

33 of 44 drives include 2 or fewer first downs, and you believe that is moving the ball reasonably well?

Whats the average number of 1st downs per drive in the NFL?

Edit: I looked it up and its interesting. Yea we are bad on yards and points per drive. The defense is making up the difference. We are top 10 in NET yards a drive but thats because the defense ranks so high.

I still think penalties and negative plays are the biggest issue.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/drivestats

Dude, you need to stop reaching for reasons to excuse our awful offense.

We are 26th in yards per play, 27th in third down conversions and 28th in net yards gained per pass attempt.

There is no sugar coating this shit show.

Marcellus doesn't even understand what he's watching.

LMAO

We are 16th in 3 and outs, 11th in RZ scoring, and 3rd in average lead.

I have said 50 ****ing times we need to play better on offense but keep up with your shit.

What part of we need to play better on offense is confusing? I have stated that several times. I just dont think its as bad as some are making out.

We have OL issues, we have penalty issue, we WR that dont get open and we have a QB that isn't good enough to overcome the other 3.

We aren't changing QB's so what are the options?

This isn't difficult but please keep telling me I dont get what I am seeing.

I cant see Fisher being the biggest revolving door we have had at RT since I65.

I cant see that the OL has knack for inopportune penalties.

I have said all along while supporting Smith that he isnt going to carry the team, I just expected the OL to be a ton better than this.

I demand 21 pts a game, starting this week.

Do it.

Who cares? The offense had TWO DRIVES WORTH A SHIT last game.

This has been going on for awhile.

Stop making this complicated. The offense ****ing sucks, and it's primarily because the passing offense is a dumpster fire.

And that's all on Alex smith?


Have you paid your daily compliment to mav today btw?

Sorry you cant keep up with complicated discussion.

Its more than the QB though he has had his role.

They're not gelling as a unit.

Do you have any capacity at all to limit a discussion to the topic, without throwing in some snotty line about another poster?

As far as the rest of your comment goes, there's no way that I can characterize an offense that ranks 25th in yards per game, 26th in yards per play and 27th in third down percentage as a unit that "usually moves the ball".

(As far as first down frequency goes, I don't have a specific number for that, but as far as number of first downs per game, they're 21st in the league. Despite being 9th in the league in total offensive plays. I would tend to think that indicates a low frequency.)

We are 16th in 3 and outs. We move the ball then stall. Move the ball then stall. For several reasons.

As I have stated many many times, yes we need to play better on offense but its a number of issues.

And honestly I blame Reid because there are too many issues. OL, QB, play calling, and WR, in that order IMO.

We don't move the ball.

Yards per play is the defining statistic for offenses.

26th = nope.

For someone who is constantly wrong you sure are full of yourself.