I totally agree with this but the reality is that it does happen, no matter the infrequency of it happening.

It is difficult giving my child that freedom out of fear but I reluctantly do for this very reason. He must be given the opportunity to live life and have some independence. I also discussed this with him and went through what he should do and while I have little doubt that in the community I live in he would be safe there are no guarantees.

I heard the Amber Alert didn't get broadcast til over 2 hours after the abduction. If true what took so long?

Innumeracy is rampant in the US today.

That's when it went out across the state. It was out in Springfield within a half hour IIRC

I hope they spend some time and study the guy's brain and maybe get more clues as to how people end up like this. Then a bullet and be done with him.

Why arent there alerts like this when ANYONE is abducted? Why does it have to be a child. Ill sign up voluntarily to get alerts, but I want it to be for anybody abducted or missing that we can try to save

Its not actually. The world is safer than its been in a long time. Violent crime is down. Children are safer per capita than theyve been in years. I know its hard to see after a tragedy like this but its the facts. As a species we should expect that trend to continue. Had a professor that had a word for it, something about as we become more intertwined socially and less isolated species become more peaceful if certain stimuli are present

But that doesn't fit the narrative Americans want to hear.

I dont know if its what we want to hear, but i do think the media creates a state of paranoia alot of times. But alot of that is just the digital age we live in. We hear instantly now about little incidents all over the world. We take in so much information. Probably too much.

I think a major reason why these crimes occur today when they didn't in previous generations is the hyper-sexualization of our culture that's happened in the last several decades.

However, the press shamelessly turns every one of these tragedies into a media event. Long after the search ends, and the need to alarm the public about an emergency has passed, they - especially the local and regional TV news outlets - will still be feasting on it.

I don't think that the media needs to provide the garish macabre to the public that they seem to go out of their way to do once it's been handed over to the justice system. Reporting goes away, and driving ratings becomes the point of it all, regardless of the impact this has over time on family and society.

Jesus, Hope the guy didn't get the Amber alert on his phone like we did... possibly setting other things in motion beyond than the abduction.

I don't completely agree nor disagree. I think the worst part is we only hear about the big cases. The abducted off the street by a stranger and killed cases.

The vast majority of child abuse and neglect is not reported by the media. Especially in Springfield. There are a few stories where I know what the news reported isn't actually what happened. Example, house burned down and kids bodies were found inside. What the news didn't say was the mother killed those children then burned the house down.

Local news kind of walks a line of community image protection on some stories.

According to 2011 stats, 4 children die a day in America because of child abuse and neglect. But that story won't get covered. And the majority will be by family.

https://www.childwelfare.gov/pubs/fa...s/fatality.pdf

Say what???

It's one of those situations we all pray we never have to go through.

Were there so many creeps abducting kids and doing these things in the 1950s?

A quick search on Wikipedia shows two in the 50's, one of them right here in Kansas City.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_kidnappings

BTW, I have found other sources of children being kidnapped and murdered going back to the 60's, but I'm not going to post them here out of respect for MTG.

Let's just come to the conclusion that your post was...not accurate.

****, man! I just woke up to an Amber Alert here in AZ.

The one here just got cancelled. Turns out it was the mother. She had taken her 4 kids and told a relative she was gonna kill them but then she turned herself in. Crazy bitch.

Good stats don't go back that far, but there certainly were in the 70s and 80s. The difference is that media wasn't near as thorough or as fast back then, so you didn't hear about them as often.

There's data a few posts below that daface posted. You should check it out.

well I was a teenager in seventies and a young man in the 80s. If it happened and it did, police delt with it a lot different.

If you harrassed little kids on there street of school you may have gotten a good beat down with the blackjack. These sickos have no fear now back then matters like child abuse and molesting may have got you personal attention from the beat cops.

Perception vs. reality.

No reality.
Back in the 80s there was a beat cop that worked downtown was well know and even made the kc star newspaper. They called him the walkin Injun. He was 6'5" imposing American Indian. That guy worked that beat his whole career. I was a Land Surveyor just starting out. We did a lot of surveys in Downtown KC. Well lots bums came out and panhandled and harrassed folks. One day was a young lady and a bum was drunk wouldnt take no for an answer kept pawing this girl. My boss who was near headed over and was about to put a beatdown on bum. Out of nowhere comes walkin injun. He told my boss to step back he would handle it. Said he will escort him to halfway house and marched him off. A little latter we setup in an alley to establish the boundary line of the ally. And between the alley was Walkin Injun wailing with the blackjack on said bum. He could be herd tellin him to walk his ass back to the tracks in the River Quay and hop the first train on out here. That dude beat feet out there face and head bloody. Boss talked him after and the cop said he can run the guys in and there back out panhandling. The get all hpped up and begin to get violent. Next think you know a girl is beaten and raped in an alley or parking garage. The one thing they do understand is a beating. They will think twice to come back on my beat. We said we understand and went about our business.

Thats reality!

That was my immediate thought as well.

You are a master of taking an anecdote and projecting it to the universe.

Whatever

I live in Springfield and I didn't receive the Alert on my phone till 7:00.

Yeah the Police Chief in his 1st news conference said there state and fed guidelines they must meet before can issue the alert. They met those guidelines a little before 7 pm and alerts were sent out.

Any news on the "why" part of this? Other than the man being mentally deranged, was it as random as they reported? Wow, just so sad!

You'd think a kid getting grabbed off the street would be the only guideline they needed. If it's going to take that long to meet the criteria for an alert then they may as well do away with the system entirely. That's ****ing absurd.

You could read that mess? I gave up.

Why didunt yu reed it?

I dont know and he didnt go into details.

You are aware, despite the tragic ending, that the abductor was captured within 4 hours with this system being a substantial reason why?

I don't think 4 hours is accurate but the Amber Alert definitely helped...

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the point of the system is to protect the child, not necessarily catch the perp. Time is of the the essence and waiting two damn hours when there were witnesses who saw the guy grab the girl off the street is unacceptable.

I guess it wouldn't be if it was issued in the morning. My point is as you said, it definitely helped.

I get what you are saying and I would give everything if the system assisted in the recovery of this little girl safe and sound, however the reality is that it does sometimes and it does not in others. That being said, capturing the perp keeps him off the street and unable to do it again which saves countless other lives.

Well if it is going to take two hours to get the alerts out then we can all look forward to more murdered children. I can't think of one reason why the alert shouldn't have been issued as soon at the call came in. We're talking about a matter of life or death here.

uhhhh wut?

Details of the case are already being leaked.

I wouldn't be shocked if others claimed abuse after his face is out there and he's on trial...

I think some investigation would have to be done to ensure that it is not used too frequently. According for the Amber Alert to be issued the criteria to be met is sufficient identification, witnesses and thought of imminent danger. I would suspect that the hold up had more to do with identification of the child, but I'm not certain.

Point is the system works, but like anything else, it is not perfect nor can ever be.

I hope the sorry sack of shit gets every ounce of pain that's coming to him.

I'd like to say I could help but I'm sure he won't stay in-state...

Actually, did it?

Everything I read said the person who trailed him got his plate numbers. That lead cops to his dads house, who then told them the truck belonged to his son. They then showed up at his house.

Not trying to bag on the Alerts, but it doesn't sound like they provided much help in this case.
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The initial evidence was what lead to the case being solved.

The Amber alert is why it was taken seriously and huge resources being poured into checking every lead...

OK OK it was a long winded mess. But im working out in the field useing a surveyors data collector.

Also I'm not Hemmingway.

Congratulations on being alive and not impotent.

Seems the identity of the child would be the least important piece of information in that situation, especially when then other two elements, which IMO are far more important, were immediately met in this case.

They system may "work", and may not ever be perfect, but it certainly seems like it could use some significant improvements.

agreed.

The afternoon on fox 4 local they questioned the response time for alerts. They said a study reveal the average time it takes to issue the alert is just over 4 hours.

They went on to state that the window of opportunity to save from bad happening is on average 1-3 hours per a national study.

So yes I would say the amber alert system needs some major overhauling.

The poor girls mother that was on the news... Meth. She is on meth. I know the look, meth.

This thread is a major inconvenience for me.


Stop it.

Dude one of the sites members has already came on here and said it was his niece. Tasteless.

STFU

It's probably helping things to quote it over and over.

Good point. I'm never quoting again!

Unfortunately it's true, she used to be anyway...she cleaned up a few years ago. Hailey is actually my niece by marriage, her mom is my ex wife's step sister. I still consider her my niece though and she didn't know any differently.

That is unfortunate, but I felt the comment had no place in this thread. I hope you and all else who knew her are holding up as best as possible.

Oh I agree, it was very tasteless but nothing really surprises me here. I'm actually quite surprised there haven't been any stupid puns yet. Her mom is doing a lot better, but I think she's still in shock. My boys know she's in heaven and are happy for her but my 13 year old daughter is taking it pretty hard.

I guess the Westboro scum are coming to picket Hailey's vigil and funeral. Apparently God did this because of Mizzou's acceptance of Michael Sam. :shake:

I suspect that there will be more than enough folk out there to shield them from view. Over half the people I know had there porch lights on a couple of nights ago in a sort of candle light vigil for her. I hope you guys find some comfort, I know this has got to be tough.

I have a lot of friends in their 20's and 30's down here in Hillbilly Hollywood, and they have been posting pics with their porchlight on from New York to the Bay. We've all really tried to rally around Hailey. We're taking it pretty hard down here.

MTG I'm sorry for your loss.

You're a better man than I am. If I heard those hateful people were coming to my nieces funeral I would lose my shit on them.

If they ever deserved an ass beating of a lifetime this is it.

A charity ride planned for Sunday
 

Wish I could join this. But with the weather this time of year I can't ride 4 hours down there.

That's what they want. It's a family of lawyers who make a living from suing people that interfere with their Constitutional rights. I honestly don't think they even really believe the shit they spew.

I honestly am amazed that no one has ever opened fire on those assholes.

I'm guessing this weekend will not end well for them at all. There's a lot of wide-spread emotion in this one. Somebody is going to do something good.

They got turned away from protesting at Joplin after the tornado when law enforcement said they couldn't guarantee their safety.

The trust funds probably comes from his kin( grandma) with the Rameys or consumers market people( one or the other or both). There was a buy out when the no compete went through years ago.

I always wondered how his parents kept that horse farm runnin.

Who/what are you talking about MO?

The perp. MO knew him to some extent.

Google...

Someday those picketing idiots will get their due.

They won't show up.