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Rap Sheet: Talks With Alex Smith Not Progressing Well
(https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=283410)
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They want those extra picks. And I bet they damn well get them.
They know either Bridgewater or Carr will be sitting there and they want that phone ringing. |
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If that's the case then all we would have done is garner the Eagles more trade offers. The only logical explanation for releasing this "info" outside of contract negotiations with Smith is hoping other teams will attempt to trade up ahead of us and nab a QB leaving a WR, S, etc on the board. |
Ahh, Mettenberger in Murray didn't have a QB competition... it was this:
"Mettenberger originally attended the University of Georgia but was kicked off the team due to a violation of team rules. On April 30, 2010, Mettenberger pleaded guilty to two sexual battery charges stemming from an incident at a bar near Valdosta, Georgia." What in the hell is up with a QB's last name ending in "berger" and being arrested for sexual shit? |
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"Mettenberger? I hardly know her!" |
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"Rapelsberger? But she pulled my pants down and sucked MY dick." |
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Evan Silva @evansilva 43m
George Whitfield on Teddy Bridgewater: "I see Andy Dalton, even a little bit of Alex Smith ... distributors of the football." |
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Bridgewater, Bortles, Manziel or Carr.
I'd be just fine with any of them at 23. |
I have no idea what's going on in the contract discussions. I don't know if this report by rappaport is just negotiation tactics..., I don't know if Smith is even involved in them or not, I don't know if the Smith camp is asking for big money or if they are asking for long-term or both or neither, or anything. No one does.
But isn't it possible that they want to sign smith for a long term (3 to 5 years) AND spend their number 1 pick on a QB, if a QB they like falls to them? I know this doesn't enjoy a lot of popularity with fans, because fans like "immediate impact guys" out of the draft, but if the Chiefs like a kid, draft him, and then let him develop under Smith for a few years so when he takes the field, he doesn't get ruined as so many young QB's do - isn't that a good thing? Isn't this what both Dorsey and Reid did with Farve and Rodgers? Didn't Rodgers go late in the first round as well? This would hurt because there are a number of holes on the roster that need to be filled but sometimes you have to bite the bullet for the long term gain. Developing your franchise QB over a few years under an experienced QB might be one of the best formulas for eventual payoffs there is. Teams just rarely have the patience to do it anymore though. Also, do you really want to draft your hotshot QB and put him behind the line that the Chiefs have on paper right now? That kids career would likely be over before it began. If the Chiefs do draft a QB number 1, then I think it is all the more critical to sign Smith up for a few years to protect that QB from flaming out. |
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I think this whole "earn his contract" idea has been bullshit from the beginning. They aren't going to trade two 2nd round picks away for a guy they don't plan to extend. Which is the box they put themselves into. They have no leverage at all.
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IF they don't have plans on extending Smith any time soon, I think it can be indicative of a couple things... 1.) They are playing hard ball with Condon, or at the least are refusing to bend over, spread their butt-cheeks and take it in the ass from the dude...which is GREAT...it's about time someone steps up to that money-grubber. 2.) They consider Poe, Berry and Houston to be less expendable than Smith and they know they will need to sign them to lucrative contracts in the near future...which is also GREAT because they are right about that...not to mention, it's nice to know they aren't handcuffing themselves to the guy like Pioli did so ridiculously prematurely with Cassel. |
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http://i1.sndcdn.com/artworks-000002...op.jpg?164b459 I suppose we would have sold as many tickets, jerseys, etc. in 2013 if Cassel had remained our starter. |
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Casserly just said he spoke with someone involved in the negotiations with Alex Smith and they are "nowhere" in the talks and he guaranteed the Chiefs take a QB.
Said he wouldn't guarantee it would be with the first pick, but that he guarantees they take a QB in the draft. |
eh... I have had enough of this. Trade Alex to a team that actually wants to win. A team that has WRs, an OL, and a defense worth playing for! :p
I don't believe any of this shit, but it's funny. KC is just trying to rattle some chains before the draft. Why not? Might get a team to bite and trade in front of or even with KC for 23... and that pushes a good non-QB their way or they get the extra draft pick(s) they need to field a good team around a QB. :) |
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If the Chiefs valued Alex Smith as much as people think they do, then the negotiations wouldn't be so far apart right now. Either the Chiefs don't think very highly of Smith and are undercutting him by a ton, or Condon is asking for something ridiculous like Jay Cutler money. In either case, it means the team should walk away from Alex if Condon's not going to come down either to the level the team thinks he's worth or if he's not going to come down to a reasonable level that the team should be expected to pay. |
**** it....draft a QB at 23. Smith can go **** himself if he's asking for Cutler money.
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Saying you are interesting in drafting a QB doesn't make a team who wants to take a QB want to trade with you. It makes them want to trade in front of you to take a QB.
With all the BS they've swashed about how they love Smith yada yada, I'd imagine they're trying to get someone to trade in front of them to take a QB, making someone they want fall. |
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Which honestly, I'd be fine with that if it meant getting a decent trade down offer and a player like Ward or a Matthews/Moncrief/Cooks/Latimer type WR. No ****ing fatties, though. |
This whole Alex Smith trade is looking like a huge debacle. You don't trade that many high picks for a guy you aren't willing to re sign.
If this comes to pass, our front office really ****ed this thing up. |
I think Aaron Murray goes a lot higher than most here think.
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We'd be ****ing morons if we paid that much for Smith. Nothing like hampering your salary cap with a non-elite QB while trying to maintain the longterm stability of your defense with pro bowl players who need extensions. |
If the Chiefs lose Smith it obviously makes the draft pick trade look even worse, but Dorsey would have to be applauded for not throwing good money after bad.
The trade is a sunk cost at this point. If he's not worth $15 million a year, and he's not, then don't give it to him. Him leaving could be the best thing to happen to the Chiefs. They can't win with this current group as is, so don't try and build a skyscraper with a shitty foundation. |
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If we trade down once or twice and he's there in the late 2nd and early 3rd with our new picks, he needs to be drafted. **** Mettenberger and **** McCarron. |
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Being the Chiefs, it's pretty obvious what's about to go down.
We'll draft a QB in the first round in hopes to be the successor next year when Smith leaves. Smith will end up having a monster year, we'll let him walk or something, he'll go on to have great success elsewhere, our first round QB will end up sucking. End of tale. |
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they thought he was good enough to give up 2nds for but not good enough to pay top QB money? the logic beaks down....they believed he was 'the guy' to lead the franchise, but that he would only ask for Thigpen money?? i'd like dorsey to walk us through it |
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It begs the question of what did they hope would happen? He would come in, not play as well, ask for less money? If thats the case, they're bigger morons than they appear. |
So far in his tenure, our GM isn't looking very good. At all.
Not necessarily in this "not paying Smith" thing, which I'm fine with either way, it just makes the acquirement all the more stupid. |
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I mean, Andy Reid pushed to give Mike Vick a 100 million dollar contract in Philly. |
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Frankly, I think it's all posturing for something. It's draft week.
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I'm pretty certain Murray will be gone by our pick in the 3rd. Given the team's interest in a QB and reports of the negotiations, if we don't trade down at all and by some miracle he's there at our pick in the 3rd, I would draft him without blinking. Then I would drive over to Tom Condon's house, kick his dog in the throat, and take a shit in his kitchen sink. On the side without the garbage disposal |
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It's plausible that they gave up more than expected because they were factoring in his sign ability factor and now that factor isn't in play any longer. |
Can't believe shit you hear right now.
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i think we can abandon the idea, as well, that Smith is willing to play for less just because he's a swell guy |
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and here is your impasse |
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The right move was blowing it all up once Pioli was canned but the Hunt family weren't having any of that. |
If Alex Smith is this perfect QB to run Andy Reid's system as we've been told, they should have no problem giving him a very lucrative contract.
So, someone is lying |
It's the same thing as with Berry. If he's better than Cutler, and you view him as better, you pay him.
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It's a disastrously overinflated market for QBs, and Dorsey shouldn't cave in to an asshole like Condon that gets crap like Cutler $100 million deals. |
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It will be interesting to see how this all plays out. Shortly after the season, Alex Smith did an interview where he talked about contract negotiations and how he would show how much of a team player he is with the contract he will sign. Another thing we KNOW from last offseason is that Dorsey has a tendency to overpay players. |
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Blind trust for life! It worked out so well with Pioli. |
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Derek Carr reminds me of Alex Smith with a stronger arm....
Just Sayin'. |
He's the guy to lead this franchise, until he starts asking to be paid like a guy who can lead a franchsie.
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Carr has alot of the pocket tendencies his brother did, IE, he's pretty skidish in the pocket.
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This could work out perfectly. Draft his replacement, then let him play out his contract year. He will have all the incentive in the world to play his best ball at a discounted price for us for that season for his big contract he apparently wants.
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$100 mill for no playoff win? even if you love the guy, the economics are sketchy...can you give a non-elite QB that money and build a championship team? seems, right now, that you either get lucky with a cheap drafted QB (Wilson, Kaepernick, Flacco) which frees up money to build a complete team...or roll with an elite QB who can to some degree overcome the deficiencies their own contracts create (Manning, Brees) guys who aren't elite but get big contracts are the worst of both worlds (Cutler, Flacco [he fits both categories pre- and post- contract]) |
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Dr Alex Smith has valuable NFL experience a rookie will not. :shake: Hopefully he compromises. |
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