Originally Posted by ILChief (Post 10650762)

everyone assumes that if there are aliens, that they have technology far superior to us. What if they're out there on other planets, but they are primitive and have no means to contact us. The real question is why haven't we contacted them.

Originally Posted by ILChief (Post 10650762)

everyone assumes that if there are aliens, that they have technology far superior to us. What if they're out there on other planets, but they are primitive and have no means to contact us. The real question is why haven't we contacted them.

Originally Posted by ILChief (Post 10650762)

The real question is why haven't we contacted them.

Originally Posted by scott free (Post 10650724)

What "we" know about traversing huge distances doesn't mean JACK.

Or, maybe it does... maybe this UFO phenomenon is more of a spiritual, 4th dimension kind of thing?

My bottom line... what "our" science knows is equal to universal whale shit... it sits at the very bottom... the Bill Nyes and Seth Shostaks of the world are straight up paid stooges, even so called believers like Stanton Friedman are disinformation agents.

Giving away just enough to be seen as credible.

My God, if Bob Bigelow and the Skinwalker Ranch isn't enough to convince you... a genuine billionaire space flight champion who owns a world renowned UFO/cattle mutilation/disembodied voices etc property who's just in it for the funz?

Hahaaa the laughs on you, peabrain.

This world is sooo much more than a guy, for instance, like Sagan was willing to admit, the government paid this mans bills to be a shill.

Originally Posted by -King- (Post 10650748)

Doesn't matter. If they got here, then their level of technology is FAR, FAR, FAR more advanced than ours. They would still have ships that would make ours look like they were standing still at top speed.

Originally Posted by -King- (Post 10650766)

There are likely many aliens inferior to us, but also many superior to us. Best case scenario to us is that there are more aliens superior to us than inferior.

Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 10650793)

Why is that the best case scenario? I'd rather be the one who dazzles than the one who is dazzled. There's a much lower chance of being enslaved.

Originally Posted by -King- (Post 10650801)

The great filter theory. It's explained in the OP in the link.

Originally Posted by -King- (Post 10650801)

The great filter theory. It's explained in the OP in the link.

Originally Posted by Dave Lane (Post 10650870)

Actually we just want to be sure the great filter is behind us. Many more advanced civilizations than us does not ensure that.

Originally Posted by RNR (Post 10650768)

You're very confident in your beliefs. How you square them is somewhat perplexing. I have no idea if there are other life forms out there. The vast universe we can see and who know how much we cannot would lead one to think there is more than us out there~

Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 10650872)

Excellent point.

I guess it would be good if the others were friendly and we could learn from their demise how to get through the Great Filter, but that's probably asking for too much.

Originally Posted by scott free (Post 10650891)

Squaring my beliefs is so easy you'd flip your lid... your son the Ranger, I BET that guy isn't just swallowing any old order, he's digging into things, he's been around... its easier to believe what you see right in front of you.

I'd bet anything your son the Ranger has seen enough to make him question everything, maybe not who knows...

Originally Posted by -King- (Post 10650932)

Originally Posted by seamonster (Post 10650930)

When I had to take a world religon class I multiplied the two independent probabilities for earth planets(number of known earth-ish exoplanets currently seen divded by total planets) and the probablility that a living life form has abstract cognitive abilities (humans are the only known living thing with this talent) and the probablility came out to .00000000000000000000002 chance that you could be a living organism on an earth like planet with the ability to do abstract thinking. All things considering Einsteins theory of spacial relativity and breaking the speed of light I'd say it's highly unlikely that there's aliens perusing around our solarsystem. Not saying it's impossible, but when I'm doing the math here it just seems a little ridiculous.

Originally Posted by Dave Lane (Post 10650893)

Best case is there's one super advanced civilization we bump into. They're very friendly willing to share their technology with us and make all of us immortal and not have to suffer from the normal diseases and death our species is used to.

Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 10649822)

Given the fact that Genesis has only happened once in the existence of our current tree of life in accordance with Darwinism, it's also a possibility that the % of planets it has happened on may not be as high as some believe...if at all.

Originally Posted by seamonster (Post 10650930)

When I had to take a world religon class I multiplied the two independent probabilities for earth planets(number of known earth-ish exoplanets currently seen divded by total planets) and the probablility that a living life form has abstract cognitive abilities (humans are the only known living thing with this talent) and the probablility came out to .00000000000000000000002 chance that you could be a living organism on an earth like planet with the ability to do abstract thinking. All things considering Einsteins theory of spacial relativity and breaking the speed of light I'd say it's highly unlikely that there's aliens perusing around our solarsystem. Not saying it's impossible, but when I'm doing the math here it just seems a little ridiculous.

Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 10656474)

I think teleportation is highly likely for goods in 50 years and humans within 100 years. Thats a doable tech. No warp drive needed.

Originally Posted by cdcox (Post 10656466)

I won't subscribe to your newsletter until you learn scientific notation.

Originally Posted by scott free (Post 10656482)

I'm not going back to look, but did anyone, anyone at all, give any serious thought to Lt. Col. Charles Halt and his men who witnessed and even touched et aircraft?

Or was it swept under the rug of pessimism like everything else?

Curious, but not worried, trying to get the message out is a thankless deal, most people are just too smart for their own good.

Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 10656506)

I find these things interesting, but don't necessarily view them as absolute evidence. I think our own government probably has secret stuff that they test all the time. A rank and file military guy or civilian could easily view them as something not of this world. These sightings may be alien and I'm open to that, but they may also be terrestrial and that's probably the more likely bet. I'm not sure there's any way to tell.

It's kind of funny now that I think about it. Faith in UFOs is similar to faith in religion. You either think it's true or you don't, but there's really no way to prove it unless the being in question shows up and announces their arrival.

Originally Posted by scott free (Post 10656532)

I can respect that, but as far as the rank and file... what about a veeery highly vetted lightbird who's very familiar with literally everything, ours and theirs, in the air during his time?

When he and his trained crew see the same things over and over during the course of two nights doesn't it atleast raise serious questions in your mind?

Anyhoo, I digress, it often takes a direct experience to pull the wool off... keep your mind open is all I'm asking, you're more than smart enough to do that.

Originally Posted by scott free (Post 10656532)

I can respect that, but as far as the rank and file... what about a veeery highly vetted lightbird who's very familiar with literally everything, ours and theirs, in the air during his time?

When he and his trained crew see the same things over and over during the course of two nights doesn't it atleast raise serious questions in your mind?

Anyhoo, I digress, it often takes a direct experience to pull the wool off... keep your mind open is all I'm asking, you're more than smart enough to do that.

Originally Posted by Hydrae (Post 10656477)

What makes you think that a beam of particles can travel any faster than the speed of light? The same limitation still applies.

Originally Posted by scott free (Post 10656532)

I can respect that, but as far as the rank and file... what about a veeery highly vetted lightbird who's very familiar with literally everything, ours and theirs, in the air during his time?

When he and his trained crew see the same things over and over during the course of two nights doesn't it atleast raise serious questions in your mind?

Anyhoo, I digress, it often takes a direct experience to pull the wool off... keep your mind open is all I'm asking, you're more than smart enough to do that.

Originally Posted by tooge (Post 10657729)

The great filter may have already happened for mankind. There was a genetic bottleneck some million years ago or so where it has been estimated that less than 1000 individuals of our species survive some event. That's cutting it pretty close.

Originally Posted by displacedinMN (Post 10646144)

The laws of physics and light apply to all.
I think that there has be be life out there somewhere.

It would take 100,000 light years to cross our galaxy.
We do not have the capability to travel at the speed of light.
Others may not have either.

Even at the speed of light, space travel is a bitch. How does a species get enough resources to
last even 5 light years? (which is a heck of a lot longer in our travel time)

I just don't think we will ever see life from another place.

Originally Posted by BigChiefTablet (Post 10657831)

At the speed of light, time stops. So why would it take light "years" to do anything?

Originally Posted by Fish (Post 10657916)

That's not necessarily true, since we don't have proper physics to explain things happening at the speed of light. It's not possible to form a frame of reference for a photon. It has no detectable mass, and is traveling faster than c. We can't apply special relativity to a photon for those reasons. Our physics aren't complete enough yet. It might be better to say that at the speed of light, time in unable to yet be defined.

Originally Posted by Donger (Post 10657951)

The duality of light has always bothered me.

Originally Posted by Fish (Post 10657916)

That's not necessarily true, since we don't have proper physics to explain things happening at the speed of light. It's not possible to form a frame of reference for a photon. It has no detectable mass, and is traveling faster than c. We can't apply special relativity to a photon for those reasons. Our physics aren't complete enough yet. It might be better to say that at the speed of light, time in unable to yet be defined.

Originally Posted by Donger (Post 10657951)

The duality of light has always bothered me.

Originally Posted by Donger (Post 10657951)

The duality of light has always bothered me.

Originally Posted by cdcox (Post 10659962)

Yeah, but "lawn chairs" in the garage bother you. You should get a grip on that mind blowing concept with that before you leap into modern physics.

Originally Posted by Fish (Post 10656566)

No offense dude, but what you've just typed is a logical fallacy called argument from authority. There's nothing wrong with having an open mind. But that's different than allowing a logical fallacy to overcome standard skepticism. The stories are interesting as hell. Lots of fun. But without actual evidence of any kind, it's just a story regardless of the credentials of the storyteller. It does take direct evidence. I'd gladly welcome that experience much more than you could imagine.

Originally Posted by patteeu (Post 10660721)

Logical fallacies only invalidate an argument from the point of view of pure logic. Arguments from authority can still be highly convincing if you're citing the right authority. If I tell you the peanut butter is in aisle 6 at the local grocery store based on what my wife, who has shopped there weekly for the past decade, says, you can be pretty confident that peanut butter is in aisle 6 even if I haven't proven it logically.

That said, there's no reason to believe that any given Lt. Colonel pilot in the AF knows about all or even most highly classified aircraft.

Originally Posted by BigChiefTablet (Post 10657831)

At the speed of light, time stops. So why would it take light "years" to do anything?

Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 10657762)

I remember seeing an article about that. It's amazing to imagine an earth with 1,000 humans on it.

Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 10660899)

Any way, I was just reading somewhere that scientists believe a warp drive that could get us to Andromeda in a few weeks is less than 30 years away.

Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 10660961)

Well, that would certainly be big news.