That might be a bit extreme lol

If you didn't agree that he was "utterly dominated" then you should have clarified, because when I read "Yep", that seemed to signify agreement.

Kind of like most everything that useless **** posts.

I thought clay said it was a lock the Chiefs were losing to the great Brian Hoyer.

I will prove to be correct on this.

3 TD's. Put our team in position for 30 points but our midget kicker missed.

I'm very happy with the offense today

The offense was mediocre. Two very nice drives in the first half, and not much else.

http://i.imgur.com/wlqdBTb.jpg

Turnovers decided this game. We got lucky.

Dude, its so old at this point. Ban from more than just the game day thrrad.

The execution overall was good.

The play calling and overall theme in the 2nd was infuriating.

Reerun is right on that front, and I'm cutting Reid exactly ZERO slack this year, right from the get-go.

It's unbelievable that he can still do this. You just got to laugh it off at this point.

We averaged 4.9 yards per play. That's not good.

It's OK to recognize the offensive performance for what it was: nothing special.

The defense was terrific.

The offense was being hamstrung in round 2. Our coach is a cautious coward, and Smith could easily out-kick Reid's coverage, so to speak.

lol offense had a great first half. Field goals are great drives too. second half was conservative play calling. Offense played good today.

{shrug}

It depends. Ultimately our thesis is that Smith has enough weapons to win with. If Charles goes down and he's looking at Davis/West + Maclin and Kelce, I'd say he still has an average to slightly above average set of weapons and he should still be decent. Perhaps the team ceiling drops by a game, but I'm not going to give him a pass for anything.

Kelce going down could actually hurt the most, followed by Maclin.

I guess ultimately my answer is that it would take a pretty catastrophic set of injuries for me to just say 'well he didn't have enough to win'. Essentially, the injuries would have to be enough to wipe out my underlying operating assumption: That Smith has the tools around him to succeed. Losing one T or one pass catcher shouldn't be enough to blow that assumption apart.

This line is going to be fine. And there is enough depth among his weapons that he should be able to lose one of the big ones and still be solid. NFL teams deal with injuries and Smith may have to deal with a couple here and there. If he's really completely comfortable in this offense now, that shouldn't be an issue for him and he should continue to perform.

Has that ever happened? Will this be a first?

Based on historical perspective, I'd think that smart money goes against you.

i think kelce would be the most impactful loss

not sure what happened in the second half really, that's when we need to be able to run more consistently...with davis and charles we should be able to hammer teams

What else does he have? He's already dug himself so far into the "Chiefs suck" pit that the only option he's got left is to hope that the Chiefs really, truly suck, lose every game and make his doomsday pessimism and negativity trolls look clairvoyant.

He's doomed.

It's all he's got to just keep shovelling shit on top of shit.

If they would of tried to put together 1 more drive ending in a TD or at least 2 longer FG drives it would of been the difference in feeling like we are going to blow it AGAIN vs putting the Texans out of their misery.

But you could tell from the plays being ran, the unnecessary stopping of the clock that Reid was struggling to go ahead and leave no doubt.

It bugs the shit out of me. Houston adjusted after the half, while we were looking for insulin for Reid and Suttons afternoon pudding...

No one seems to care about football threads being ruined here unfortunately.

My fatty track record is shinier than Kojak's ****in' noggin, holmes.

Adjustments? What the **** are those? I swear, I can literally hear the mental thought-process:

"We're just gonna' go in there and play OUR GAME, fellas"!

Ugh.

They turtled up late in the game for sure, but just before, imagine if they hit on one or both of those deep Maclin passes in that 2nd half? That one bobbled reception on the left sideline or one hesitation route along the right sideline, and I doubt anyone is really complaining.

Wouldn't that be great? Just imagine if the Chiefs had a different QB who could hit those!

I imagine you'll be banned from the donk game thread.

Might as well just do it now and get it over with.

Clowning on Alex for "missing" on those passes is a little silly, don't ya think?

Of course it is. There is a reason that the league average on throws over 20 yards is about 35 percent. And that first one to Maclin was a catch. And he barely missed the deep right one.

I am simply thrilled that they are taking shots.

Yep.

Time to open it up.

Exactly. If you convert 1 out of 4, but that one goes for 40 yards, that's an average of 10 yards per play. I'll take that. Even if you don't complete them, you've got a decent chance of getting a PI call.

And regardless, the deep threat helped to keep those underneath routes for Kelce so open. If you can't get guys to bite on the deep ball threat, it's impossible for Reid's offense to work.

Looking at the stats this morning, Bob Dole was amazed to see that you're right. Alex Smith is the only QB in the NFL that threw any incompletions.

Moron.

I watched the philly Atlanta game last night. Sam Bradford threw 42 passes. I bet he didn't throw 5 of them more than 10 yards down field.

Alex Smith was more aggressive in the 1st half than i've ever seen him before.


Aggressive without imploding, not bad.

Isn't it amazing how much better a QB can look when the OL is solid and you have some nice receiving weapons?

Actually it was mostly just the receivers

We were getting rid of the ball quickly because our receivers were fast enough to do it. The Oline couldn't run block for shit and the pass blocking was shaky.

I think that was the game plan......and it worked for the most part.

was also effective in partially neutralizing JJ Watt. You can see he was frustrated that Smith was getting rid of the ball before he could get to him.

SEPTEMBER. OF 2015.

NO. MORE. CHANCES.

Oh, man. I forgot about these exchanges.

Duncan, as steady as always.

Everybody just needs to accept that Alex will NEVER "put it all together".

He will give you a few flashes of superb play for a half a game here and there...we can win with him...but there's no chance we ever win a title with him and there is almost no chance that he won't continue to decline.

He doesn't trust himself to make the types of throws teams need to win big games and defenses know it.

Of the veteran QBs I would wager that only Rodgers, Wilson, and Brady and possibly a couple of others have more impressive come from behind wins that contributed to the teams success going into or in the playoffs over the last 5 years. Amongst 32 teams...how is that even considered bad?

Where did he say "come from behind?"

Winning in the playoffs require QB's to take big play opportunities when they are presented, more often than not, Alex isn't going to do that.

No part of this post has anything to do with the post you responded to.

Another brilliant comment by Pants.
This isn't a risky throw to win a big game (yes, that's two defenders that had a play on the ball) ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mzp_NIP-S8I

This isn't a big play either?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUZde9uogYM
Yes, that's two defenders in the area.

**** off with that shit. No one here gives a **** about what he did back when he was with the 49ers. No. One.

This isn't a big throw either? Again, two defenders the QB/receiver have to beat
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeEw9Fn0E3k

You're mad.
R-E-L-A-X

Here comes Tiger, digging up the six good throws Alex has made in his 11 year NFL career.

Wait, you mean I'm not on ignore anymore? LMAO

A highlight from an opposing team captured five years ago is absolutely meaningless to me. He hasn't taken those risks over the last three seasons with Kansas City, and it's why our ceiling is a divisional round loss. How about you stroll out some of his highlights against the Steelers, bud?

But hey, regular season wins amirite?

This isn't a big time throw after Maclin goes down and you have to throw to a rookie?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McJbxkZnHOU
Ok guy, ok!

LMAO You know your argument is pretty weak when you have to rely on highlights Smith made when he wasn't even on the roster.

Or when you have to rely on highlights made before the election. The 2012 Election.

My word. Give me a break.

https://youtu.be/DO_5MZeNrDY?t=55s
Smith threading the needle on a near impossible 3rd and 20 situation.

So yes, continue to talk out of your ass with your ignorant absolutes

Keep moving those goal posts, kid.

This was an incredible throw, and the best throw he made in the entire game. It demonstrated to me that he had the arm to go downfield on more occasions in this game. In fact, it made me want to see Alex take these chances with more regularity. He missed too many opportunities against the Steelers. Is that a fair assessment, Tiger?

First of all, if you really want people to watch those videos you'll learn how to ****ing embed them. No one is going to click on all those links.

Well I guess Chiefspants will. LMAO

I truly want to see if (s)he (don't want to assume gender) and I can find a middle ground. The outlook is not promising.

He missed 1-2 opportunities, but then again Fisher/Fulton did a shit job with protection in key parts of the game. 4-5 receiver drops were a much bigger problem in this game. A stagnant run game didn't help the situation either.

Aaaaand the standard response of blaming everyone but Alex.

FINAL DRIVE
Opening play-> 25 yarder to Kelce
2nd and 25 (after Ware face mask penalty) -> 17 yard strike to Kelce
4th and 8 -> pass to conley gains 12 yards
4th and 2 -> First down to Sherman. Sets up the Ware TD

Yea he doesn't make big throws. Never.

Reading comprehension, pal.

You're right. He'll make the big throw that doesn't quite win you the game. Every single time.

There's our common ground.

The receiver drops were a problem. Though a tight throw to Kelce in the 3rd(?) likely results in a completed pass (it was a bad underthrow, though I was happy he took the shot).

I wish that Alex could carry us to a victory in critical games like this. I am not convinced he will ever do this for the Chiefs. He's done this in the regular season a few times (2014 against Buffalo and Seattle and 2016 against San Diego and Denver) come to mind. He almost did this against the Colts, and it's why I was generally on the pro-Alex train until the end of 2014/start of 2015.

I felt that 2015 was his make or break year. I said before 2016 that I felt he hit his ceiling in his divisional round, but he was welcome to prove me wrong. Looking back at this year, he simply did not prove that he deserved to be our starter in the future.

But, I am not paid to make these decisions, Dorsey and Reid are. I suppose he'll have another chance to make me eat **** in 2017.

Denver Game
3rd and 1 in the red zone: converts 5 yards to Conley
4th and 10 inside the 15: gains 11 yards to Tyreek
1st and Goal: TD strike to Tyreek
2 point conversion: bullet to Harris

Yea, Alex Smith can't make the big throws

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQ8b60EBxW4

Hard to say a guy has hit his ceiling when he his TD rate is identical, his pass completion% goes up, his QBR goes up, his sack numbers goes down 40%

ALL of this while his 12 million dollar wide receiver self admitted that he played like shit that entire season

Could you imagine what would happen to Matt Ryan's numbers if Julio Jones went down? Or if Luck lost TY hilton? Dalton without AJ green? Winston without Mike Evans?

****ing Philip Rivers just played his worst season in 10 years, you don't think the loss of Keenan Allen had anything to do with it?

Regular Season wins aren't going to do it for me.

I watched highlights of Pete Stoyanovich's 54 yard field goal against Denver over and over as a child.

The Chiefs beat the Super Bowl Champs that day. Unfortunately, they lost to Denver when it mattered. This has been the Chiefs way ever since 1970.

The Alex and Andy haven't proven that they can put together postseason performances when it matters. Yes, that means BIG throws when it matters.

You know what no one talks about in the Broncos-Ravens 2013 playoff matchup? The critical drops Jacoby Jones had in the game - the reason is that Joe kept throwing to him until it lead them to the biggest upset of the postseason.

Drops are going to happen. To Alex, they're devastating, because he rarely takes these kinds of risks throughout the game. For us to win, Alex has to be winning to take more chances throughout the next season and postseason. He had the chance to lead us to victory against the Steelers, and he simply didn't pull the trigger.

Yea, well thank God Dorsey doesn't give a flying **** what you think. Enjoy the ride or get lost.

Yeah we know. We were told the same thing in the Pioli era.

This is a much more enjoyable ride - but it feels awfully similar to what we had with Marty.

If AFCW championship banners are your thing... this team is custom built for you.

If the Chiefs draft a quarterback in the first two rounds of the NFL Draft and have him sit behind Alex - I would not bash Smith and will fully support him and the coaching staff throughout the 2017 season. That's all it will take for my vote of confidence.

We've seen too many generational players and talented teams leave KC without a title, planning for the future, even if it meant another year of Alex, is something long overdue and something I'd proudly get behind.

I really don't think its Alex, yes he could improve. I think its Andy who gets conservative. He relies too much on his D and won't take chances in a close game. Look what happened against steelers. They tried to come back and started playing well in third quarter but the damn drops hurt them on an excellent drive. Kelce was too dumb for his own good on that drive. He converted 3rd and 20 and then another drop on 3rd and 4 to keep the drive moving. Andy tries to kill the clock all game in a close game. He did that on the last drive too. Too much time wasted after 1st and goal. they had like 5 minutes. Their goal should have been to make a quick touchdown and then try to get the ball back with 2 timeouts still remaining. Instead, he wasted a timeout and wasted so much time with runs.

Agreed. Andy, though, doesn't make Alex miss open targets. Andy doesn't force Alex to throw short of the sticks on third down. Andy didn't force Alex to have the LOWEST Yards in the Air of ANY starter in the NFL.

sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/quarterback-air-yards/2016/

i.imgur.com/py5PVAl.jpg

(still cannot hot link)

Alex is better than Kaepernick, that's all that matters.

Can the mods new regime get rid of this fuqtart? Before he comes back and pisses all over the forum again?


He is a 49er fan with no self control or dignity.

We've been on this ride before. We're Chiefs fans.

Having showed up to the party just 4 years ago, you have ZERO perspective on what it's like to be a fan of this team and to lose in this exact same way year after year with the same shitty QBs.

What ride, the Verrückt?

Because that's pretty much the ride we've been 'enjoying' for decades now; the one that ends via decapitation.

:D

A reerun stumbles into a bar...

Oh shit he's here, be quiet guys! :eek: