Most people on here would have been ecstatic to get luck going from cassell to luck most of us would have been pleased to see a real passing game I can't stand game manager QBs anymore.

The roster is an indictment of the GM.

I know you're smarter than this. The Colts are nearly void of talent. They are awful as a team.

I don't care how good your QB is, if the team as a whole sucks, the QB can only do so much.

Look at the Packers. As good as Rodgers is, they haven't been back to the SB since they won it.

And Seattle isn't winning shit without that D.

They have an excellent WR corps, and the TEs are solid also. Nothing wrong with a combo of Frank Gore and Josh Robinson either.

Yes, their OL is weak. Yes, their defense is weak.. which only serves to inflate Luck's stats. A big problem is that they lead the league in turnovers... with 10.. nearly all thanks to Luck.

This is not to say that Luck isn't generally a good QB. Just that he's not that good, and is typically overrated.

Most colts fans hate Coby fleener has has a huge drop pass issue

If Andrew Luck played with Charles and our defense, he would not play with the gunslinger mentality that he does. Andrew Luck has to do EVERYTHING for his team to have a chance to win. If he doesn't throw 3 touchdowns, the chances of his team winning are VERY slim. So you saying you would be disappointed by Luck if he played this way with us is not realistic. He wouldn't play this way.

I don't buy that bullshit. The Colts were 3-1 in December last year and there QB played absolute garbage football.

Luck doesn't have to do "everything." Luck has a GM who constantly drafts him weapons and brings in guys like Andre Johnson and Frank Gore who were supposed to be awesome sleeper picks since they finally had an awesome QB to put them in places to excel.

I know, I know, I know ... his line sucks. Pretty convenient excuse. I think it's just another way of saying, "meh. Luck hasn't lived up to his hype."

and that's not an insult.

I would probably put Luck as the 7th or 8th best QB in the NFL right now. That's awesome. But he hasn't lived up to his unreal hype and I see nothing out of him that suggests to me he's some sure fire HOF'er. He's a fast Eli Manning. I love Eli. Eli is great. But has Eli ever been a top 5 QB in any given year? No. And neither has Luck. And Luck has regressed every single year IMO.

I think it's as safe to say that Luck will always be this guy, nothing more ... and that's ok. It's just not John Elway.

I agree with most of what you say about Luck, but I don't agree with that last paragraph.

As someone in another thread mentioned, a QB can be taught to limit turnovers. You can't teach a lot of what makes Luck so good, though.

I expect both him and Wilson to get better over the next 10-12 years as Peyton Manning and Tom Brady did.

Luck is almost like Flacco to me. Some weeks he'll look like the best QB in the game, but then, more often than not, he'll look like one of the worst.

I realize I'm not always right. Derek Carr has been good this year (I'm not crowning him yet). Tom Brady is playing the best football I've ever seen in my life from any QB so far this year. Kaepernick is awful. I'm not afraid to admit my misses.

I just don't see why Luck gets excuses for playing BAD football. Andrew Luck has PLENTY of weapons. Aaron Rodgers has a pretty spotty record in big games since his Super Bowl. Joe Flacco is awful.

When Andrew Luck develops into an elite QB, I'll gladly say, "wow, Luck sure is good!" At this point he's not there, and he's not really close. I see nothing that suggests to me he can be the next Aaron Rodgers. He's simply too careless with the football. How many seasons does he get before the excuses run out?

People like a QB that throws down the field, no matter how many times he costs his team wins. A turnover prone QB is more frustrating to watch

Tom Brady has perfected the dink and dunk to a level I have never before seen ... he is literally playing the QB position as close to perfect as it can be played. Throwing the ball down the field is nice and all but you don't have to play that way to win. Brady showed it in the Super Bowl.

And BB used a lot of Andy's playbook in that game. It was essentially Andy's wet dream of a QB performance.

People saying Luck throws too many interceptions crack me up. There is absolutely no context to counting the number of interceptions.

A better way to look at it is interception percentage. Lets look at some historical QBs (and a couple current ones) to put this inperspective....

Joe Montana 2.6
Steve Young 2.6
Peyton Manning 2.6
Drew Brees 2.6
Tony Romo 2.6
Ben Rothlisberger 2.6
Troy Aikman 3.0
Dan Marino 3.0
John Elway 3.1
Kurt Warner 3.1
Brett Favre 3.3
Warren Moon 3.4
Jim Kelly 3.7
Roger Staubach 3.7
Dan Fouts 4.3

Andrew Luck 2.5

Advanced stats = context. Stat totals = no context whatsoever.

Andrew Luck has more INT’s than Jay Cutler since last year!!!!! Yes. 21-20. Andrew Luck has also throw 702 passes in that time. Cutler, 606.

96 passes is roughly 3 full games worth of passes, with just 1 more INT.

Cutler’s ratio? 3.4

50 career games. 48 INT’s. 1 per game. Throwing the ball 1,900 times in that span. With absolutely zero running game. No Lynch, or Lacy, or Le’Veon Bell, or Emmitt Smith, or Roger Craig, or Terrell Davis etc to hand off to, or occupy defenses. Yet, all those QB’s throw INT’s more often than Luck does on a per pass basis.

But hey, let’s not use context with our facts, let’s use the same stats that were invented in 1937 and apply them in 2015.

They play inside out.. while Andrew plays outside/in. There was no other way to beat the Seahawks than by how Tom did..

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Josh Johnson come on down :)

Yeah, comparing Luck to guys that played 30+ years ago is a great idea. Actually, no, it's completely irrelevant.

Luck's INT numbers aren't terrible for a guy playing his first three years. TD/INT ratio is worse than Romo, Ryan, Big Ben and Rivers (for mid-tier guys, he's obviously not in the same league as the elites), but better than Cam Newton, Dalton, Flacco and Stafford.

As for INT percentage, he's currently tied iwth Tannehill, Rivers, Romo and Big Ben. A bit behind Flacco, Ryan, Alex Smith, and Bradford.

So, really, "not bad", but hardly at any kind of elite level. He's nowhere near operating at an elite level. At least not yet.

What's concerning, if you're a fan of the Colts, is that he seems to have gone the wrong way this year. Of course, his line and skill position players blow, so hard to blame him entirely for that.

But three years in is three years in. If he was going to be AWESOME giggity giggity, he should be starting to show it by now. He ain't. Maybe he's a late bloomer (see Brees, Drew), but only time will tell.

Could well be. Exactly how Patriots fans viewed Drew Bledsoe. We desperately wnated him to be Elway or Marino. He wasn't, and never would be.

That doesn't make him terrible. It just means he's not teh AWESOME.

A few random comments re: this.

First, the Patriots have been in fundamentally the same offense (in terms of concepts) for 15 years. Changes in offensive coordinators haven't mattered much when it comes to the offensive philosophy. Very few QBs (probably NO QBs, actually) get to be with the same HC and same offense for 15 freaking years.

Second, BB has purposefully built the offense THIS way. Long-developing plays are great, and Brady to Moss was very pretty, but if your OL can't hold their blocks long enough, then it wont' matter. See 2007 Super Bowl. The current offense has no deep threats, except Gronk, sorta, but rather has a bunch of smurfs who all are great at route running and YAC. If we had the 2007 offense last year, I think the SEahawks beat us just like the Giants did.

Third, Gronk. Not only the best receiving TE in the league, also the best blocking TE in the league. Brutal to deal with. He's the straw that stirs the drink.

Fourth, all the key skill players have been in teh system with Brady for AT LEAST three years now. Gronk, Edelman and Amendola. LaFell isn't even out there, but Dobson (third year) is filling in nicely. With Dion Lewis being a great imitation of Kevin Faulk already, they are clicking on all cylinders.

It's sort of a perfect storm of offensive awesomeness. But that will matter less and less as the weather goes south, people get hurt, and especially if the defense can't hold its end of the bargain.

The context is the course of a season. If you lead the league in INT's you're not having a great season...

And he's got as high a ceiling as any QB to ever be drafted but that doesn't mean he ever reaches it.

Kerry Collins took a 2nd year expansion team to the NFCC game, the Titans to a 13-3 record, and the Giants to a SB. Unlimited potential but it was never reached because his first 5 years were spent being a complete idiot.

Mike Vick, Jeff George, etc...

Yes. His arm was AMAZING. He could throw any pass, anywhere, any time.

And he had a very good coach (Parcells), and after a couple of years he had elite players at the skill positions -- Curtis Martin at RB and Ben Coates at TE. They got the Pats to a SB so I have no complaints.

Bledsoe coudl absolutely LIGHT IT UP when he was "on", but too often he made too many mistakes. Held the ball too long, not much pocket awareness, staring down receivers, FAR more interested in the big strike than taking the checkdown that was RIGHT THERE, etc. etc. etc.


And the ultrabusts. Ryan Leaf (2nd in draft), Rick Mirer (2nd in draft, not an ultra bust, but not good), etc ad infinitum.

He should get credit for turning that franchise around though.

The Pats were awful in the early 90s. And he was good pretty much immediately.

He never did seem to reach his ceiling though.

Maybe he should have tried cheating. That seems to work.

Bledsoe has 70 pass attempts in a game once. Holy sh*t

The only time Brady was a big deep ball guy was when he had Randy Moss. He could throw up jump balls and it'd work. When he started, he won three Super Bowls with the short passing attack. That's what Weis wanted to do, spread the field and stretch the defense out. The game has changed and everyone is passing more and spreading the field.

drew bledsoe operates a winery now.. if i recall correctly

I think it's safe to assume Luck won't be anywhere near a bust but I think people need to lower their expectations.

****ing Dan Marino never won a SB because of his craptastic running game, O line, and defense. At times he had 1 of the three but most times he didn't.

A top 10 offensive line makes an average HB look great, clearly helps the QB, and even a respectable D with the two above is a playoff team.

Indi was much better about building a "team" around Manning than they have been with Luck...

Another reason I like the guy...

No game thread tonight?

That Hail Mary was ****ing awesome. Horrible defense by the Colts.

I guess we are using this :(

Yup put the texans right back in the game

Strong with two career catches and two career TDs LMAO

As do Marino and former Chiefs QB Damon "Chandler Bing" Huard.

Strange bedfellows.

I was wondering about that. Just played a season on madden as Andrew luck. Fleener couldn't hold on to shit

The Patriots turnaround was primarily due to three men -- Kraft, Parcells and Bledsoe. I give the first two (especially Parcells) more credit than Bledsoe. But yes, Bledsoe was good right away, and definitely helped to quickly turned the team around.

I think Bledsoe did reach his ceiling. His ceiling was just lower than we hoped, because his ceiling was determined by his head, not his arm.

That was an amazing, come from behind win for the Patriots. Down 20 to zip in the 2nd quarter, then Parcells unleashes Bledsoe completely...

Yes. Might be the worst Hail Mary defense I have ever seen. Incredibly bad.

Andrew Luck listed as limited I will die laughing if the colts beat the pats with Hasselbeck

3 of the Colts' next 5 games are against teams that are currently undefeated.

The colts might have the worst record of any team ever to make it in to the playoffs LMAO

If we're lucky Mariota leads the Titans to a playoff berth in that shit for a division

Bortles forever! :cuss:

so what do you guys think? 56-10 Patriots?

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-networ...k-against-Pats


Looks like Hasselbeck is starting so 56-24 lol

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-...medium=twitter


Irsay say's the pats would fake injuries Colts so butt hurt.

Pagano and that abortion 4th down call just slammed the door on his HC career.

Can we "literally" get Pagano to toss Alex under a bus?

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Colts fans booing the hell out of luck

Luck 333 3tds and 2int if that was Alex People on here would be saying Alex is becoming a viable QB

Indy needs to ****ing die horribly.


They play in the shittiest division in the history of football. **** them. They could have a shit year, yet pull out an 8-8 division winner because they are handed 6 layups every season.

Luck sucks.

I am vindicated!

Colt's ownership ****ed up a good thing. They got their QB and then proceeded to completely **** the team around him.

I hope Luck continues to suck and then becomes a FA and then becomes the Broncos next HoF QB.

Sounds about right. :cuss:

Can't have your's and Hootie's golden boy take a back seat to anyone.

Nobody puts baby in a corner...


:)

While it's obvious that Luck has regressed this year, you'd have to be a complete idiot to think the cause is nothing other than shit coaching.

Definitely couldn't be the shit acquisitions the owner and GM made.

But yeah coaching should overcome drafting a WR in the first round when your line and D is shit. Should also overcome a first round pick for Trent Richardson.

Pagano is a bad coach, but I mean the situation is ****ed.

They built the team for Luck to carry everything like he's Peyton. He isn't Peyton.

I think he is becoming like David Carr too many sacks making him overthink

Feels good to be right :)

I've been arguing since 2012 that Russell Wilson was the best of that new, young crop of QBs. Kaep and RGIII had their little shine. Cam Newton's been a media darling for his entire career. Luck is a sophisticated robot sent back from the future to play QB.

I can't wait to see Luck crash and burn!

Pagano knows he's fired, he's just pushing every button now because nothing is working.

I think luck could have been a HOF if he went to a team like Cincy or AZ

Colts o-line has sucked since he got there and Grigson cant draft defense if his like depended on it

You should see what Colt's fans are saying there Split 50/50 some want grig to be fired so Pag can fire pep hamiltion others Want Pag to be fired to fired so Grig can make Greg Manusky head coach til the end of the season.

I'd still take him in a heartbeat.

That's cause we have Alex smith there is about 28th QBs in the nfl I would take in a heartbeat over smith this year.

Hah.

Without a doubt.

Ok, this is CP. Andrew Luck sucks and we'd rather have Wilson.

:eek:

You may well be right when the dust settles, but Wilson wouldn't be much better on the Colts. That team is pretty bad. Lacking talent and the coaching is atrocious. Probably worse than the Chiefs.

Wait until that Seattle D goes to shit. The Real Wilson will be exposed. :D

Yeah, poor Colts and their never ending O-line issues. Perhaps they should hire some consultants. Wait, I know...

http://i.imgur.com/sktnWBc.gif

Pagano Tosses Luck under the bus
 

The Seahawks D has lost 4th quarter leads in their last 5 losses. They've been missing Chancellor and Wagner at times. Even when they're all together, they look lost. They're certainly not the best defense in the league like we're accustomed to seeing.

But offensively, the Seahawks may be in even worse shape than the Colts. Wilson, as mobile as he is, has already been sacked a ridiculous 31 times this season. We think our offensive line is bad and yet Smith's only been sacked 25 times.

And aside from Graham, their offensive weapons aren't all that great. Hilton/Moncrief/Dorsett/Johnson/Fleener vs Baldwin/Kearse/Lockett/Graham. Is either set unequivocally better than the other?

They need to just clean house, completely.

The team needs a new identity on both sides of the ball.